EML KX 500

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Hi guys, so the 2016 British sidecarcross season kicks off next Sunday when my brother Rob and I will again campaign our 26 year old EML KX 500 against a full line up of much more modern chariots and in true cutting it fine style we hope to get out and practice tomorrow..... If today goes ok, firing the bike up after complete nut and bolt rebuild including new mains and seals, new rod, new piston and rings, skimmed head to up the compression a little, new cylinder head studs, new billet clutch basket, new v-force 3 reed block, new pair of over sized radiators, new silicone hoses and all new plastics, the mudguards of wich came from the pro circuit race team.... Oh and I have to fit the new chain and further modify the back mudguard to get the seat positioned better, 3 or 4 hours work and she should...... Should fire up..... We get quite a lot of crowd support by still running the big K5 here's a couple of photos taken this morning











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Good job on the refresh. Looks like fun, if not just a wee bit crazy! Are classes set up for displacement or do you run with those 700cc bikes?
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We run with the 700 2 stroke Zabels and massive 4 stroke KTM/ Husky based motors as well as modded 450 4 strokes, mainly YZFs, it's all in and even though we are pushing 70bhp we are on one of the lowest powered bikes but it's all good

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Pretty awesome work! Any chance of a video in action? Not to sure about riding shotgun! I would be thinking ....this is where I eject!
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Those things have to be a thrill
I think id race with my Golden Retriever.
Whats it cost in general to build a bike to race that class?
Are they popular? I mean can you get 10 bikes or more on the line at one time? Its a big day if there are more than 5 bikes in the 125 class in the north east vintage motos

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Besides being a bit down on power to the Zabels and Big 4 strokes, how do you find it with regards to chassis technology with your (I assume) older chassis, against current ones?

Much Genuine change / advancement? Have you been able to make changes to bring things up to current spec? Not that I know much about SCX suspension, but the front shocks seem to be very much inline with older SCX units from quite some time ago.

I assume that the chassis / chair really takes a pounding. Much chasing of fatigue cracking? Or, are the chassis just made so well they take the punishment? The various SCX chassis from the main manufacturers I've checked over the years are gorgeuosly made things, made in what I assume are very high quality/ appropriate materials for the stresses encountered - I'm a frame maker of over 4 decades experience so I look straight past bling and BS to the construction.

Just questions - I'm a bit of a cynic, with the continual claims of massive advancements from mainstream manufacturers and their customers with regards to dirt bikes. Get past the hype and bling, and you generally find geometries that have remained the same for decades now, with only m.ms difference.

SCX is 'big', in tinyly relative terms, here in OZ in South Australia, and Victoria - very few elsewhere, so it's not often I get near them. Caught a couple of Dutch, Belgian and German SCX races over the years and GPs. . I'm trying to tie in an SCX GP this year around being at the Classic TT and one or two GPs and the MX Des Nations at Maggiora.
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Oh, by the way - the 'footpeg'. Aye Carumbah, the, what appear to be spot welds on the tube, remind me of the latest MXA showing pegs from decades ago. I can imagine you'd perhaps be placing your foot at various points on the, I'll call it a nerf bar, but geez it doesn't look like much foot traction is available. Do you run any net / webbing to keep your feet / legs from going through the nerf bar, and any gaps on the chair / platform side?
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Well today went very well, got about 30/40 mins put on the motor so she's ready to race now....

Bearuno, ours is fairly old, frame and motor are both 1989 but we don't get any trouble with our frame ( touches something very wooden with fingers crossed...) we have had one crack in the last 4 years.
When EML built this type of frame kit they got things right and it differs very little to more modern outfits, I will take some better pics of the frame and welds for you. Our suspension is WP on the forks and they have been fully re built and serviced, handles well and as for the foot peg, the gaps are not big enough for my size 11 tech 8s to get through and my feet seem to stay where I want them.

Sandman, I have plenty of footage but I have never uploaded video onto here, I will try later in the week.

MaxPower, cost is basically the moon if you want, some guys build £20,000+ bikes, others race 2-3 year old £8,000 bikes, others race what they have but any decent race bike is worth £4,000+ that's around where I value mine ( I know old knackers show up on eBay etc especially around Weston Beach Race time of year ) but any sidecarcross bike that runs is worth £1,500 now. There's around 60 bikes being raced in UK at the moment and we like to get together so 25-35 is normal at a national meeting, there were 6 at the practice track I was at today.
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Cool! Always been intrigued by this stuff, since it's essentially nonexistent here in the states.

Why are these type of forks utilized instead of traditional telescopic forks? Do these not "dive" the same way under hard braking?

What's more popular, the left side or right side sidecar? How in the heck does a team choose?
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Moto Mofo wrote:
Cool! Always been intrigued by this stuff, since it's essentially nonexistent here in the states. Why are these type of forks utilized instead of traditional telescopic...
Cool! Always been intrigued by this stuff, since it's essentially nonexistent here in the states.

Why are these type of forks utilized instead of traditional telescopic forks? Do these not "dive" the same way under hard braking?

What's more popular, the left side or right side sidecar? How in the heck does a team choose?
We use leading link forks because telescopic forks bind with the sideways forces when we corner, there's no leaning remember.

Bikes tend to follow the law of the road in that country, but there's no written rule on it so in the UK we drive on the left hand side of the road in right hand drive cars so 99% of the bikes in the UK have the sidecar on the left thus making them right hand drive if you like or in sidecar speak LH, as in sidecar on the left hand side, in the USA you drive on the right in left hand drive cars meaning if sidecarcross had taken off ( it really should, you are missing out ) you would predominantly be on RH bikes, with sidecar on the right, like Germany, France, Belgium, Holland, Italy etc at the GPs ( yes there is a sidecarcross world championship and Des Nations ) it's about 70% on RH, most teams from mainland Europe and 30% on LH, England, Ireland and a few others Swiss etc.
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Well done Jones'y.We look forward to seeing you and the other 30+ crews out there this season....all the best Kiwi.
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Well done Jones'y.We look forward to seeing you and the other 30+ crews out there this season....all the best Kiwi.
Thanks, next 3 weekends now, Binstead for 1st clubman round this weekend, Winchester, non championship on good Friday (Easter) then Frome for the first British Championship round the week after Easter.... Can't wait should be an awesome Summer.
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Great to see it looking so good,

Winchester at Owlesbury ?

Frome, what a track , rocks the size of your head up the top, made my British 4 Stroke Debut there in 1995.
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philG wrote:
Great to see it looking so good, Winchester at Owlesbury ? Frome, what a track , rocks the size of your head up the top, made...
Great to see it looking so good,

Winchester at Owlesbury ?

Frome, what a track , rocks the size of your head up the top, made my British 4 Stroke Debut there in 1995.
Yeah Owlesbury on good Friday, awesome track, you there? Frome is brutal, it looks easy when you look at it but nobody leaves that place with out BIG cuts and bruises and broken plastics etc!!!

Some photos from our practice at Ashdown Nr Oxford on Sunday......









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So if you're RHD and you go abroad where most of the sidecars are LHD are the berms/ruts all in the wrong place for you?
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So if you're RHD and you go abroad where most of the sidecars are LHD are the berms/ruts all in the wrong place for you?
Yeah although there's normaly enough rhd bikes that lines do get carved out.... The other issue is say a long off camber turn that lhd bikes easily blast round and rhd bikes all loose 3-4 maybe even 5 seconds a lap, we don't have a British round of the sidecar GPs anymore but for example a track COULD be built to give the rhd (British) bikes a big advantage..... But that would never happen.
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Also thought I would throw this on here, my 13 year old, getting pretty fast on his 85 and also turning into a good passenger

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Sidecar wrote:
Yeah Owlesbury on good Friday, awesome track, you there? Frome is brutal, it looks easy when you look at it but nobody leaves that place with...
Yeah Owlesbury on good Friday, awesome track, you there? Frome is brutal, it looks easy when you look at it but nobody leaves that place with out BIG cuts and bruises and broken plastics etc!!!

Some photos from our practice at Ashdown Nr Oxford on Sunday......









No we have a test at Spa on the 300, and then on to Valkenswaard for the GP.. going to be a long weekend..

Who would believe , a dusty practice track in March, they had to cancel Long Buckby this weekend
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Sidecar wrote:
Yeah Owlesbury on good Friday, awesome track, you there? Frome is brutal, it looks easy when you look at it but nobody leaves that place with...
Yeah Owlesbury on good Friday, awesome track, you there? Frome is brutal, it looks easy when you look at it but nobody leaves that place with out BIG cuts and bruises and broken plastics etc!!!

Some photos from our practice at Ashdown Nr Oxford on Sunday......









philG wrote:
No we have a test at Spa on the 300, and then on to Valkenswaard for the GP.. going to be a long weekend.. Who would...
No we have a test at Spa on the 300, and then on to Valkenswaard for the GP.. going to be a long weekend..

Who would believe , a dusty practice track in March, they had to cancel Long Buckby this weekend
I would go to Valkenswaard if we weren't racing, it should be awesome, yeah last Wednesday when I struggled to get home through the floods I thought no practicing this weekend then yet it turned out dusty.
Enjoy Spa and the GP.
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Full on wicked!
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Good day yesterday.... First clubman championship round, 35 bikes on the line rear puncture in first moto after a top ten start and running around 16th/17th, 2nd moto not such a good start but worked hard for a finish around 20th ( full results not out yet ) 3rd moto had the jump out the gate and lead down to first turn where 2 bikes outside of us swept round and tangled, holding us up a lot, still came out top 15 and were running around 20th again when a hard landing knocked the wind out of Rob.... Day done but well happy with our pace and how the bike is running.
Four days to get the bike serviced and prepped ready to race non championship event this (Easter) Friday.
Photos from yesterday....
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Nice pics.. track looks prime, not too soft to rut up stupid.

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philG wrote:
Nice pics.. track looks prime, not too soft to rut up stupid.

Thanks, track was awesome, a little cold for spectators but other than that couldn't fault it.
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Good day on Sunday at rd 1 of the British Championship, 35 bikes on the line, we finished the day with 1 expert point after qualifying 30th (the championship is 2 tier, the GP teams and few other really fast crews are just after full British points the rest of us fight over expert points, although 1st expert crew were 4th overall!!) track was brutal and we were happy to leave the track with us and the bike in one piece, happy with our speed though....





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I remember my first Expert point.. same kind of deal , glad it all went well
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Cheers dude, just missed a full British Championship point again.... That's our goal, like the maxxis solos the top 20 score full British points, our closest so far was a 23rd last season..... We are gonna keep trying though rd2 is now at Foxhills, not doing that one but will be doing Diss and Milton Park.
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Good stuff, thanks for sharing!
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Kidkawie wrote:
Good stuff, thanks for sharing!
No worries, I will keep updating as our season rolls on.
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A slight change of plan meant we did send in an entry for round 2 of the British Championship at the legendary Foxhill moto park this Sunday but heavy and persistent rain today (Friday) has meant the event is cancelled.... Gutted.
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