No wonder Cole is pissed

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3/4/2016 10:43am
Falcon wrote:
I'm no pro, and I know this is being an armchair QB, but if I have a wheel on Dungey down the inside of the start...
I'm no pro, and I know this is being an armchair QB, but if I have a wheel on Dungey down the inside of the start straight like he does in this vid, I'm squeezing him right into the Rocky Mountain ATV Tuff Block at 0:17. Just saying.
NotCore wrote:
Cole had a wheel, but Dungey had inside position and the pressure/momentum in that situation pushes outward. I didn't really see anything wrong there, but Seely's...
Cole had a wheel, but Dungey had inside position and the pressure/momentum in that situation pushes outward.

I didn't really see anything wrong there, but Seely's start sure got hosed, didn't it?
Yeah, for sure. He got screwed!

Again, I'm not a pro, so maybe the reactions and the speeds are very much different than I'm used to. All I know is that among us slower, older guys, the dude in Dungey's spot would be seeing a whole lot of my left elbow from the time Brayton (Millsaps?) let off about 15 feet out of the gate, all the way to the Tuff Blocks lining the inside. If you want to come up and cause a crash, that's OK, but my intention is to go straight to the inside of the corner. And I'm making it blatantly obvious that you are going to cartwheel off the track unless you let off.

BTW, I don't really see anything wrong with Dungey's love tap, either.
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Seely tried to shut the door on Dungey....it didn't work. He did a little brake check on Anderson....it didn't work.
Anderson did clean him out in the second one...And Eli's crash was his own fault as he tried to run it in on Anderson and just washed out...
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Well, this stuff is better than group hugs after the finish line! Laughing Tongue

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No wonder these guys are putting lap times down under the minute mark going that speed WOW. Bad night for Cole, Dungey did him good on...
No wonder these guys are putting lap times down under the minute mark going that speed WOW.

Bad night for Cole, Dungey did him good on in the first corner. Can't see a problem with Andersons first move but that second one was a clean take out.

JA better look out he isn't making any freinds on the race track that's for sure. Roll on Daytona
You have this so wrong , the first move was BS , nothing wrong with the second move
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3/4/2016 11:26am
JA FTW
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3/4/2016 11:31am
Is it possible that in the first incident, Seely was trying to take Anderson high(even looked over his right shoulder and went from left to right in the whoops"Calling Savatgy"), but Anderson anticipated it and ducked to the inside. In an attempt to quickly get back to the inside of Anderson he jumped back on the gas a touch to early and took them both down?

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3/4/2016 11:37am
Kryan5 wrote:
Is it possible that in the first incident, Seely was trying to take Anderson high(even looked over his right shoulder and went from left to right...
Is it possible that in the first incident, Seely was trying to take Anderson high(even looked over his right shoulder and went from left to right in the whoops"Calling Savatgy"), but Anderson anticipated it and ducked to the inside. In an attempt to quickly get back to the inside of Anderson he jumped back on the gas a touch to early and took them both down?

It definitely looked like Seely drifted from left to right in the whoops purposely to take him high.
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3/4/2016 11:40am Edited Date/Time 3/4/2016 11:44am
First incident with Ando; he could have seen that coming. Actually it is Seely who caused the crash.

Second incident; he could have seen that coming too, could have cut the line inside instead of going where Ando wanted to block him. It looks like a blatant t-bone whereas I think he was just trying to take the line away and was a bit too late in the manoeuver. Kind of a racing incident again, unfortunate.

On the other hand:
1. Incident with Dungey; I think the Dunge was a bit upset, as Seely did not give much room to him.
2. He crossed jump hard on stewart earlier during the race.

I really like what he does this season, I was not thinking he would still be top 3 top 5 in this championship, he is super fast & super smooth (see how many positions he gained until the first crash!), but he should improve his race craft too, and not whine as not one rider is 100% guilty in these incidents.
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3/4/2016 11:41am
That was F***** awesome. Anderson FTW. Seely pony up and be a man.
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seely was almost waiting for anderson to make a pass on him on the last lap. he looked back every corner. i like seely but he knows if anderson is behind him, anderson is 1. faster and 2. not waiting lap after lap to pass. you leave the door open, anderson will take it.
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3/4/2016 11:48am
Dungey incident: Looks like Cole was breaking early to hold the very inside line while Dungey was thinking he's going to be sweeping a bit wider to cut the outside lines off. Dungey's aggressiveness is showing why he's going to win this championship before Vegas.

Anderson incident 1: Cole clearly glances over his right shoulder to move over on Anderson. He set himself up for that scenario and bad timing on trying to cut back under Anderson. No harm/foul here.

Anderson incident 2: I agree with everyone that Cole should have done a better job at protecting his inside lines on the last lap, but he was pretty much at the very exit of the corner when Anderson made contact. That was a full on kamikaze/bonzai take out, and worthy of a payback. For the win it makes much more sense (Reed/Stewy incident in ATL a couple years ago), for 7th it's a little much in my eyes.
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3/4/2016 11:55am
Sandberm wrote:
I didnt like the brake check from anderson early in the race that caused both to fall....kind of stupid on andos part... but that lap 19...
I didnt like the brake check from anderson early in the race that caused both to fall....kind of stupid on andos part... but that lap 19 pass was alright. Seely didnt anticipate
Agree with this. Dungey 'incident' is just 1st turn craziness. Last lap hit with JA I dont have a problem with as its last lap - why did he not block off the chance, what if boot was on other foot.

Love race vids as shoes the warp speed these guys go at & the reaction times, suppose thats why their the pros eh.
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3/4/2016 12:00pm
Cole was absolutely hauling there before the first crash. He actually reeled Anderson in which I'm sure he didn't like. Can't wait to see Seely give Anderson a taste of his own medicine
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3/4/2016 12:00pm
Andersons just been making seely his bitch just like barcia did with wilson for awhile. JA is going to keep doing it as long as Seely lets him keep getting away with it. Punt JA or stop complaining about it.
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Hopefully this is what Seely needed to get focused. I think Cole will learn from this and come out and win soon. Maybe even Daytona.
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3/4/2016 12:15pm
MR. X wrote:
That love tap in the beginning that dungey gave him is what he "owes" him one for ? Give me a fucking break.
DITTO! Come on Cole, really? Every race the start is the most important part of the race, dog eat dog. No foul IMO.
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1st incident is obviously Coles fault. He crossed from left to right through the whoops to cut off JA, then looked to his right in the corner, then left. JA ducked under and did a break check. CS gassed it to get under JA but clipped his rear tire.

2nd incident was half and half. Cole made a bonehead move going wide and JA came sliding into the turn and slammed CS. It was no where near a T-bone, JA slid sideways before hitting CS.
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haha I like the video description; "seely cleaned out by anderson twice". Even if you don't think the first crash was Seely's own fault, Anderson certainly didn't clean him out.

Second one, would be unacceptable anytime during the race other than last lap, but yes Anderson used Seely as a rut essentially.
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3/4/2016 1:12pm
Nothing to see here. Cole needs to be faster than Anderson and there won't be any problems.
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3/4/2016 1:35pm
This isn't no score peewee soccer, leave a door open like that "twice" that's going to happen. Anyone that is "offended" by two clean enough slide job/block passes wouldn't last 5 minutes in professional racing of any kind. This is their living, their paycheck, and their livelihood.
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3/4/2016 1:38pm
Uh, you know what's missing?

A video of Cole's attempt to run Jason OFF OF THE TRACK in the sand-pit-turn.

If I catch you & you try some "block" move on me?

I'm gonna retaliate.

Count on it.

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3/4/2016 1:41pm
SigPig wrote:
Nothing to see here. Cole needs to be faster than Anderson and there won't be any problems.
Well he caught and passed him after a very bad start and there still was a problem
Anderson wasn't even in the position to make a pass in that last lap, he was till in the whoops when Cole was already turning. He just went straight into the turn, he was standing like 120° to the track direction...
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Rowlands wrote:
No wonder these guys are putting lap times down under the minute mark going that speed WOW. Bad night for Cole, Dungey did him good on...
No wonder these guys are putting lap times down under the minute mark going that speed WOW.

Bad night for Cole, Dungey did him good on in the first corner. Can't see a problem with Andersons first move but that second one was a clean take out.

JA better look out he isn't making any freinds on the race track that's for sure. Roll on Daytona
brimx153 wrote:
You have this so wrong , the first move was BS , nothing wrong with the second move
Come on then let's hear it Tongue

My perspective is that the first one Anderson went in a little wild, Seely went to cut back inside and hit into JA's back wheel, JA was going down.

Second one is a clean take out from JA, Cole may have left the door open just no way was he going to make that pass without making considerable contact.

Just my opinion
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3/4/2016 2:18pm
I'd be interested to see a go-pro vid from Anderson's perspective.
3/4/2016 2:29pm
I don't have too much of a problem with the first move, the second one though...that was a clear take out.

Cole is right to be pissed.
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3/4/2016 2:31pm
I saw the first one live. I was sitting behind the "wall" and right in front of the sand section. When they both came over the wall, Seely cut off JA line in the whoops. The first one was JA trying to duck inside.

The second one looked way more intentional but I didn't see it live because I was watching Stewart not get out of the way for Musquin.
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3/4/2016 2:43pm
MR. X wrote:
That love tap in the beginning that dungey gave him is what he "owes" him one for ? Give me a fucking break.
agree.
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3/4/2016 2:52pm
I'll swing from JA's nut sack. Bravo for him. If cole didn't want to get passed on lap 19, he should've been in better shape. Correct me if I'm wrong, but during the first part of the race, didn't Cole reel JA in? Sure looked like he was faster in the beginning and then faded like a rose blooming in Palm Springs during August.

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3/4/2016 3:00pm Edited Date/Time 3/4/2016 3:21pm
it's not the first and second times Jason has taken him to the ground, kinda like Peick and Friese...

unlike the Peick deal though, i hope Cole keeps his cool, talking about retaliation is like giving the officials a heads up

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