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We are getting along just fine i think. And i don't see anyone really saying " I'm smarter than you " ....just people comparing thoughts on...
We are getting along just fine i think. And i don't see anyone really saying " I'm smarter than you " ....just people comparing thoughts on the difference between guys that have raced and those who haven't. No name calling in here either. Which means this thread seems to be doing well. Don't like it , don't read it and most certainly don't reply in it if it bothers you.
I'm smarter than you, jerk!
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jeffro503 wrote:
We are getting along just fine i think. And i don't see anyone really saying " I'm smarter than you " ....just people comparing thoughts on...
We are getting along just fine i think. And i don't see anyone really saying " I'm smarter than you " ....just people comparing thoughts on the difference between guys that have raced and those who haven't. No name calling in here either. Which means this thread seems to be doing well. Don't like it , don't read it and most certainly don't reply in it if it bothers you.
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I'm smarter than you, jerk!
Eat a bag of dicks , ridge runner
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If you have never had butterflies while heading up to the starting line - then I feel sorry for you...
jeffro503 wrote:
And that never really ever goes away. Some of the top guys have said they damn near puked on the gate. They say that if you're...
And that never really ever goes away. Some of the top guys have said they damn near puked on the gate. They say that if you're not at least a little nervous...then something is wrong with you.
You ever line up not really feeling it thinking you're going to just let everyone go and see who you can catch, and then at the last second for whatever reason you say Fukit !, and get the holeshot ? I don't get the same adrenaline rush, nervous, anxious, scared, excited, worried feeling when I'm practicing or play riding in the desert or hills, Maybe I'm going too slow ? Sad Laughing Anyway who really gives a shit if you race or not, but if you like to ride dirt bikes and tracks and you've never signed up in a race, you should just to see what it's like, it's fun. And for the record I'm not one of the guys who "Thinks I'm better" than anyone else because I like to race stupid dirt bikes once in awhile. I never raced until I was past 30, (and it's been downhill for 27 years since then). If you have raced you know what I'm talking about, but if you haven't, no big deal, so what. But don't think riding a track on practice day is the same as lining up and going into the first turn with a bunch of other crazy fukers, cause it's not. So race vs not race ? Eh whatever who gives a shit. But you won't know what it's like until you do.....Tongue
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We are getting along just fine i think. And i don't see anyone really saying " I'm smarter than you " ....just people comparing thoughts on...
We are getting along just fine i think. And i don't see anyone really saying " I'm smarter than you " ....just people comparing thoughts on the difference between guys that have raced and those who haven't. No name calling in here either. Which means this thread seems to be doing well. Don't like it , don't read it and most certainly don't reply in it if it bothers you.
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So far all I've heard about were starts, nothing about the race, I'm not impressed...
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3/2/2016 3:09pm Edited Date/Time 3/2/2016 3:09pm
Since i am assuming most of this is based of the James / Marvin incident, KTM just sent this out

Red Bull KTM Factory Team Issues a Statement Regarding Marvin Musquin and James Stewart Racing Incident at Atlanta Supercross

MURRIETA, Calif. – Following an intense moment on the final lap of Saturday’s 450SX Main Event in Atlanta, the Red Bull KTM Factory Team would like to issue a clarifying statement regarding a highly discussed incident between Marvin Musquin and James Stewart.

While racing his teammate Ryan Dungey for what would have been his first career 450SX Class victory, Musquin made a mistake on his own that ultimately caused him to come up short on a triple and lose the lead position. Stewart, who was not competing for the lead, happened to be near Musquin during his error and has since received undeserved criticism for the incident. The Red Bull KTM Factory Team would like to clarify that there are no hard feelings toward Stewart.

Red Bull KTM Factory Team Manager Roger DeCoster added, “After the race a lot of blame was given to James and I just want to make things clear that the mistake from Marvin was not directly caused by James and we shouldn’t blame him for it. Credit to Marvin, he rode an amazing race and was under tremendous pressure from Ryan for the majority of the race. To lead for 19-consecutive laps is no easy task and how quickly he has adapted to the big bike class in just eight rounds is very impressive.”

Musquin went on to capture a career-best second place finish at the Georgia Dome, while his teammate Dungey took his fifth victory of the season.
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3/2/2016 3:11pm Edited Date/Time 3/2/2016 3:12pm
ocscottie wrote:
Since i am assuming most of this is based of the James / Marvin incident, KTM just sent this out [b]Red Bull KTM Factory Team Issues...
Since i am assuming most of this is based of the James / Marvin incident, KTM just sent this out

Red Bull KTM Factory Team Issues a Statement Regarding Marvin Musquin and James Stewart Racing Incident at Atlanta Supercross

MURRIETA, Calif. – Following an intense moment on the final lap of Saturday’s 450SX Main Event in Atlanta, the Red Bull KTM Factory Team would like to issue a clarifying statement regarding a highly discussed incident between Marvin Musquin and James Stewart.

While racing his teammate Ryan Dungey for what would have been his first career 450SX Class victory, Musquin made a mistake on his own that ultimately caused him to come up short on a triple and lose the lead position. Stewart, who was not competing for the lead, happened to be near Musquin during his error and has since received undeserved criticism for the incident. The Red Bull KTM Factory Team would like to clarify that there are no hard feelings toward Stewart.

Red Bull KTM Factory Team Manager Roger DeCoster added, “After the race a lot of blame was given to James and I just want to make things clear that the mistake from Marvin was not directly caused by James and we shouldn’t blame him for it. Credit to Marvin, he rode an amazing race and was under tremendous pressure from Ryan for the majority of the race. To lead for 19-consecutive laps is no easy task and how quickly he has adapted to the big bike class in just eight rounds is very impressive.”

Musquin went on to capture a career-best second place finish at the Georgia Dome, while his teammate Dungey took his fifth victory of the season.
Thanks.
All involved are Red Bull backed,but still,that's a classy/cool PR.
Very cool they put that out.
Wish they would do this stuff more often when similar shit happens.
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Good to see ya around here more Eddy Cool
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ocscottie wrote:
Good to see ya around here more Eddy Cool
Thanks. Smile
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Thanks Scotty..
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3/2/2016 3:45pm Edited Date/Time 3/2/2016 3:46pm
Classy statement from KTM. I still think that Stewart should've got out of the way on the start straight (and I think KTM do too), but Marvin certainly made a mistake, and it wasn't entirely Stewart's fault
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Classy statement from KTM. I still think that Stewart should've got out of the way on the start straight (and I think KTM do too), but...
Classy statement from KTM. I still think that Stewart should've got out of the way on the start straight (and I think KTM do too), but Marvin certainly made a mistake, and it wasn't entirely Stewart's fault
Jesus, you just heard from The Man and Marvin....Dry
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3/2/2016 4:03pm Edited Date/Time 3/2/2016 4:04pm
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Jesus, you just heard from The Man and Marvin....Dry
I think he may have slowed them a bit in the corner ,but Marvins line choice and casing that jump is what caused him to lose the lead,not James.

On a side note..
It wouldn't surprise me if James showed up at Daytona and won by 20 seconds.
Kinda a redemption. Smile
I wouldn't put it past him.
3/2/2016 4:03pm
Big Lenny wrote:
So far all I've heard about were starts, nothing about the race, I'm not impressed...
Stymie, what it all comes down to is that you never raced so you are not part of the fraternity.
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Big Lenny wrote:
So far all I've heard about were starts, nothing about the race, I'm not impressed...
Stymie, what it all comes down to is that you never raced so you are not part of the fraternity.
All you cats are legends in your own minds...
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Big Lenny wrote:
Jesus, you just heard from The Man and Marvin....Dry
FastEddy wrote:
I think he may have slowed them a bit in the corner ,but Marvins line choice and casing that jump is what caused him to lose...
I think he may have slowed them a bit in the corner ,but Marvins line choice and casing that jump is what caused him to lose the lead,not James.

On a side note..
It wouldn't surprise me if James showed up at Daytona and won by 20 seconds.
Kinda a redemption. Smile
I wouldn't put it past him.
I'll say a top 10 Eddy...
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Big Lenny wrote:
Jesus, you just heard from The Man and Marvin....Dry
FastEddy wrote:
I think he may have slowed them a bit in the corner ,but Marvins line choice and casing that jump is what caused him to lose...
I think he may have slowed them a bit in the corner ,but Marvins line choice and casing that jump is what caused him to lose the lead,not James.

On a side note..
It wouldn't surprise me if James showed up at Daytona and won by 20 seconds.
Kinda a redemption. Smile
I wouldn't put it past him.
That would be sweet Cool
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All you cats are legends in your own minds...
Maybe so but I bet in my Prime Mind I can beat anybody...Whistling
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Seems to me that Roger has made all the Blue Flag Bitchers out to be...

WRONG

That's just funny.

You guys DO REALIZE that BL OWN's your asses on this one, right?
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3/2/2016 5:16pm Edited Date/Time 3/2/2016 5:17pm
RG1 wrote:
Classy statement from KTM. I still think that Stewart should've got out of the way on the start straight (and I think KTM do too), but...
Classy statement from KTM. I still think that Stewart should've got out of the way on the start straight (and I think KTM do too), but Marvin certainly made a mistake, and it wasn't entirely Stewart's fault
Big Lenny wrote:
Jesus, you just heard from The Man and Marvin....Dry
Yeah, and they said Stewart wasn't directly to blame for the incident, which he wasn't, the direct cause of the incident was Marvin trying to triple when he should've just doubled. Stewart was still a distraction though and he should've have taken the opportunity to move out of the way on the start straight, which would've been easy and efficient to do
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That's why he's Team Green, and you are just...well Green...Laughing
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Right after the Race, Marvin -OWNED- it...he bobbled. He was sssssoooooooo pissed at himself.

Lots of folks in here seem to think "they know"...
They don't.
They weren't there -AND- they've never been there.
That IS the point made throughout this thread.
So, they are talking out their asses.
Aka "WRONG".
Laughing

BL kicked some ass up in h'yar!

I'm jus' sayin'...Evil
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Right after the Race, Marvin -OWNED- it...he bobbled. He was sssssoooooooo pissed at himself. Lots of folks in here seem to think "they know"... They don't...
Right after the Race, Marvin -OWNED- it...he bobbled. He was sssssoooooooo pissed at himself.

Lots of folks in here seem to think "they know"...
They don't.
They weren't there -AND- they've never been there.
That IS the point made throughout this thread.
So, they are talking out their asses.
Aka "WRONG".
Laughing

BL kicked some ass up in h'yar!

I'm jus' sayin'...Evil
Yet another "Prime in my MIND"..Gawd Vital has Minions
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I may not have the personal experience as some of the people here do but I have a decently good idea of how fast things can...
I may not have the personal experience as some of the people here do but I have a decently good idea of how fast things can change on the track. I've been around the sport for 13+ years and had my fair share of riding years. Things happen fast during a backyard moto, I can imagine how fast things happen at this level. But I feel like only a very small percentage of people on here know exactly how fast things change at this level. Doesn't necessarily mean some views are far off. But I do agree with what you're saying as well as 731's post.
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I agree that being a long time fan does provide some insight. But having been the guy who makes that mistake more than once really puts...
I agree that being a long time fan does provide some insight. But having been the guy who makes that mistake more than once really puts things into perspective. Just last year I was behind a friend on the last lap trying to make a pass, he made the split second decision to roll a table in order to protect the inside better. I was behind him, planning to jump the table and then sneak by up the inside. Long story short, I put my front tire in his back before I even knew what had happened.

His buddies that were there were waiting for me at my pit after the race, telling me I was a POS and a dirty rider and shouldnt be on the track. Until he came over and told them it was as much his fault as mine, shook my hand and told them to go back to his pit.

They didn't understand how fast things happen, so they thought I'd basically tried to kill him.
your a liar!! you did try to kill him... I would have done the same...
3/3/2016 4:45am
It seems like every time there is an incident during the races on the weekends or with a racer, there is always some posters who throw...
It seems like every time there is an incident during the races on the weekends or with a racer, there is always some posters who throw out the "do you even race?" or "You can tell who's never thrown their leg over a bike" comments when somebody throws out there opinion. While some of people's posts on here seem to be from another planet, others seem to be pretty legit regardless if the person rides, races or just drinks beer on the couch on Saturdays (like myself). As a person who no longer rides, and honestly never raced when I did ride due to a variety of reasons, why do us "non-racers" opinions/insight not matter? I don't think Jeanie Carmichael, Colleen Milsaps or Aldon baker can throw their leg over a bike and lay down laps faster than the riders that they coach, but they have rider wins under their belts. I don't think Mike Mcarthy or Gary Kubiak can play better football than their players but they know how to coach their players to win. So tell me, why do the hardcore moto posters on here feel like you need to ride or race to know what you're talking about when it comes to opinions and insight on riders?
Only on vital - amongst, racers, are you in the minority!

You can have eye! And have valid points as a non racer!

according to MXA

95% of the bikes sold never see a track.

The best rider will never be discovered!

The best rider in the world doesn't race!

Such a small % of people get to race , let alone take it anywhere

But if you haven't raced, you haven't experienced riding without a seat belt, & letting go of the fear of a bone crushing crash caused by others and pushing yourself beyond the daily pain of previously breaking every bone throughout your life and pushing thru the pain , cuts , burns , blisters & getting back up bleeding and your only concern is to get going again! exactly as fast as you were going before the crash! or get carted off!
...from zero to hero back to zero! It's not fun! Non racers don't get this! They crash! They bleed and call it a day! Racing Is a passion! The ultimate test of man and machine and no protection! And everyone you knew that did it was crazy! They were known as crazies! And the people that raced had families who knew everything about the trials and tribulations of a racer and the family (and friends) gets to see first hand what we go through dealing with injury , rehab and sometimes much needed caregiving! caretaking! Non racers know the sport ,just different aspects of it! Non racers and non riders opinions are sometime better because they are outside of the box - And we can all watch the same screen and see if someone does a bonehead move on the track!
But none of that matters -
The number of racers are down over the last 2-3 decades!
So chances at stardom are actually better than ever for today's racer! The racer pool is so small that the chances at stardom are better than when millions of bikes were sold a year! You were literally 1 in a million if you reached stardom back then!
Gates were over flowing! Nationwide! Worldwide!

Now barely any bikes get sold and only 5% of those sold see a track and only a small, small % of that seek glory


That's why you never raced

You were too smart

You weren't known as one of the 'crazies'

that basically means -
your opinion & insight is valued on every topic

guys that say different , hit there heads too many times !

Sorry,,,
we're racers
we're dumb

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If you haven't raced you aint cool bro!!!!
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I only read the first page but you can not come close to mimic racing while practicing. Not even close. You do and see things that are elevated to the max in a race. A good example is for instance that I used to ride til empty tanks at the practice track. Everyone called me an Ironman but during a race I could barely do 4/5 laps because it is impossible to replicate that elevated intensity during practice. So a racer will know things people who don't can not. I raced 72 motos in 12 weeks the last series I raced, I'm a pro practicer these days. Lol
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FLmxer wrote:
I only read the first page but you can not come close to mimic racing while practicing. Not even close. You do and see things that...
I only read the first page but you can not come close to mimic racing while practicing. Not even close. You do and see things that are elevated to the max in a race. A good example is for instance that I used to ride til empty tanks at the practice track. Everyone called me an Ironman but during a race I could barely do 4/5 laps because it is impossible to replicate that elevated intensity during practice. So a racer will know things people who don't can not. I raced 72 motos in 12 weeks the last series I raced, I'm a pro practicer these days. Lol
Yep I agree 100%.

Being a practice rider ONLY vs a racer are as different as night and day.

Lining up behind the start gate with a 30 second board up and a gate FULL of maniacs knowing you could end up in the hospital or the graveyard.

Your heart rate is at MAX level as well as your adrenaline pumping through your veins.
Nothing in the world can replicate that feeling.Woohoo
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Yep I agree 100%. Being a practice rider ONLY vs a racer are as different as night and day. Lining up behind the start gate with...
Yep I agree 100%.

Being a practice rider ONLY vs a racer are as different as night and day.

Lining up behind the start gate with a 30 second board up and a gate FULL of maniacs knowing you could end up in the hospital or the graveyard.

Your heart rate is at MAX level as well as your adrenaline pumping through your veins.
Nothing in the world can replicate that feeling.Woohoo
How high is your heart rate when you protest a 'friend'

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