Is anybody honestly satisfied with these 450 Mains?

Clutchy wrote:

Yes, why you ask... because it's racing, real racing. It's the way it goes. Some games are a blowout. Series is too long, that's the problem.

fgb729 wrote:

I agree, it should be 12 rounds imo, 14 outdoor rounds

gspointer wrote:

The bikes are a lot better, regardless of how much Dungeys bike and program may have improved, it is literally impossible for him to approach RV's...

The bikes are a lot better, regardless of how much Dungeys bike and program may have improved, it is literally impossible for him to approach RV's skills. The current crop is a bunch of wanna-be's as proven by the fact that Windham didn't beat RC for a championship. Also Reed is there as further proof the guys on the track now just aren't as good as RC and RV.

Flatliner wrote:

It's "impossible " for him to approach rv skills. Man there's some dumb stuff here but geez.

gspointer wrote:

Hey, if you got something else out of that salad, serve it up.

gspointer wrote:

The bikes are a lot better, regardless of how much Dungeys bike and program may have improved, it is literally impossible for him to approach RV's...

The bikes are a lot better, regardless of how much Dungeys bike and program may have improved, it is literally impossible for him to approach RV's skills. The current crop is a bunch of wanna-be's as proven by the fact that Windham didn't beat RC for a championship. Also Reed is there as further proof the guys on the track now just aren't as good as RC and RV.

zehn wrote:

Wrong Nobody would push early in the season because their points get reset regardless. It would be even more boring. Plus, if Dungey puts in the...

Wrong

Nobody would push early in the season because their points get reset regardless. It would be even more boring.

Plus, if Dungey puts in the work early in the season and has the speed, why doesn't he deserve to win the championship?

TripleFive wrote:

It physically pains me when I see this reasoning.

gspointer wrote:

The bikes are a lot better, regardless of how much Dungeys bike and program may have improved, it is literally impossible for him to approach RV's...

The bikes are a lot better, regardless of how much Dungeys bike and program may have improved, it is literally impossible for him to approach RV's skills. The current crop is a bunch of wanna-be's as proven by the fact that Windham didn't beat RC for a championship. Also Reed is there as further proof the guys on the track now just aren't as good as RC and RV.

Jimmy_Sloan wrote:

Nothing in your post makes sense.

Icespikes wrote:

True words!!! Today's bikes have out grown indoors! 500cc was also too much! Outdoors ? There is no better! 4 strokes are so fast , dangerous...

True words!!!

Today's bikes have out grown indoors!
500cc was also too much!

Outdoors ? There is no better!

4 strokes are so fast , dangerous and predicable

2 strokes were slower , wild and exciting

Racing was crazier on smokers , no traction made it fun to watch!

Today's racing is high speed and high flying - all traction

Like ? Tractors really

Fast high flying tractors

Look closely at what's changed in the sport ?

New blood can't afford these bikes and don't have the knowledge to maintain them and grass roots racing scene keeps shrinking

At the top level!!!
The best? Has already been !! Back in the day !!!!
rc , js , cr was the best there ever was no matter what bike they rode !

.... Wait? cr is still here

that means that the guy from a decade ago is still a podium threat and the bar has been raised very little

' the sport has barely evolved '

Ryan Dungey pulling a lead ?? Is pathetic.
Please Dungey Fan boys ! Don't be upset !
I'm not disagreeing that at this point
Indoors & out Combined , the all around , current best rider in the world is
dungey

But let's also remember he's couldn't beat rv

Just like , reed , could never beat rc & js -
And just like ....
windham could never beat any of them -

chad reed only won his championships in the absence of rc & js

last summer, for the first time in years tomac showed 2005 rc , js style speed @ the first five rounds of 2015 outdoors.
, I expected tomac to be riding thus far like he did in the Oakland heat race , until now He has not .

Last summer After et broke his shoulders rd goes on & wins everything , again in the absence of rv & js.

like cr! rd's titles were won , not beating the best!

The evolution of true bad ass riders has stopped! it seems?

Anderson shows flashes , so does tomac , Roczen and Seely as well, but not at the 2005 cr level and definitely nobody in today's field is at 2005 rc or js level

rv was just shy of that level , kroc showed a few years back maybe he had it? now that's gone

Dungey does not ride at the level of the top guys from a decade ago , never could

But don't get me wrong dunge blows every other rider out of the water in the history of the sport , but just not out of the last decade!

The last decade the sport hasn't evolved

the CARMICHAEL family out did everyone so hard that it's only going in reverse ever since !
And from that era...
.... Chad Reed & James Stewart are all that's left of the best era mx / sx ever saw

mc ? was a talented loser who could out drink you ! out smoke you ! And out ride you ! All in one day!

period

mc? an mc nowadays ? mc is like your buddy that doesn't race but waxes you after he's been smokin & drinkin all afternoon , after the emig bust and wholesome carmichael family values , ethics , hard work & training took over , that made mx/sx the respectable sport it is today! The record books should start as of then , sorry to ( the original rd) roger decoster to hannah? yeah it was a different time , different bikes , but from decoster , hannah , right up until emig and mc -
.... motocrossers were a bunch of drunken hippies and that's why (no wonder?) so many people to this day, don't consider mx a REAL sport .

{Disclaimer ; not saying all the other champions before , between decoster , hannah and up to mc INCLUDED , were beer drinking pot heads , quit the contrary , I'm saying all the champions before rc were beating a bunch of drunken stoned hippies (at best) on shitty two strokes &
Watching wasted teenagers on mx bikes was way more entertaining than today's show. I'll give you that !! But the history of the sport does not need to be compared with the last decade! Different bikes ! Different times ! mx was not a REAL sport until rc quite easily dethroned mc! And got rid of all that riffraff & four strokes took over! Doesn't mean it wasn't popular ! It was ! It just that No one called it a REAL sport , they were crazy hippies called 'crazies' }

So That somehow? the way we score points is going to make MX/SX better? Is BS

95% of dirt bikes sold never see a track according to MXA

Ryan Dungey is wearing jeans on Wheaties!

General public dirt bikers are still partiers at best! (Heart)

@ the pro ranks , 5% of the bikes go in this direction , nobody cares ! Nobody in the real world knows who Ricky Carmichael is!

People knew who MC was... face it ! He was popular ! He wasn't trying to be something he wasn't ! The king of the hippy motocrossers!

Dunge on the Wheaties Box trumps them all !

Ryan Dungey might just be the most popular mx rider ever

MC close 2nd?

RC ? no one in the real world knows who RC is nor JS7 nor CR

You'd think with Wheaties on board that The commercial side of the sport is strong again like in the 90s , but people resonated with the partying mx'r more it seemed ?
and That's what mattered in the 60s 70s 80s & 90s - getting wasted - the party ended at lake havasu

2000s that shit changed

Ryan Dungey is carrying on the new world rc mx values


God bless everyone


Mx is politically correct nowadays ! It's getting better and better ! And When you see this home schooled Rick flair whopping hooligan coming up through the ranks now, no need to worry , compare him to a Bagget pre speech coach , they knocked the 'boom hower' right out of him , new teeth and off to the races he went

especially now with this rc road to supercross , it's rc's riders mill! rc is single handily , going to make sure no jlaws , emigs or hannah's ever make it to the main show again

If your looking for change in the sport ? Look no further than rc

rc continues to change the game
Few weeks ago guys were talking on here comparing careers !!
I'd say ...
js career wise is close behind rc and cr in a distant 3rd! Where he has always been!
To see cr on the podium in 2016 means the sport and riders suck ! Sport hasn't evolved since rc left!
Suzuki owed money when selling a dirt bike after paying rc

rc,js,cr got paid!!!

rc is at least repaying his debt!

Is his way the right way ? ? ?

Because if I remember correctly ?

beer drinking pot heads were buying a million cheap dirt bikes a year in the 80s early 90s and racing was awesome

I say bring back cheap two stroke riding & beer drinking rednecks any day

racing was way more exciting when everyone was high and fuk'd on squirrelly two strokes

gspointer wrote:

I am condensing a TLDR post 2 up.

god no wonder, attention span of a gnat on this site.

gspointer wrote:

I am condensing a TLDR post 2 up.

god no wonder, attention span of a gnat on this site.

Jimmy_Sloan wrote:

I was on my phone which doesn't show quoted posts in full, gspointer.

gspointer wrote:

Sorry! I am getting tired of all the bitching about the riders and the races. I guess that is just the nature of things now.

blusmbl wrote:

I'm sure if messageboards were commonplace in the MC era the posts would be similar. I'll admit the 450 main wasn't too exciting last night from...

I'm sure if messageboards were commonplace in the MC era the posts would be similar.

I'll admit the 450 main wasn't too exciting last night from a TV perspective, but it sounds like we missed a bunch of action behind the KRoc/Tomac/Reed/Canard group. Either way, every other race last night was outstanding.

I was falling asleep towards the end, but that's mostly due to the 450 main wrapping up at 1am eastern. These west coast rounds are tough on my middle aged crabby ass.

Zracer wrote:

Really? Ypu found 4 sec long races that were closer? Tell me more

Andy_Greenney wrote:

You can hear the crowd sigh when the commentator says "Dungey with the holeshot"

mark_swart wrote:

Wow, we have one snoozer of a race and it's time to scrap the points...the race format....the 450s....the four strokes. Maybe we should just choose the...

Wow, we have one snoozer of a race and it's time to scrap the points...the race format....the 450s....the four strokes.

Maybe we should just choose the simpler solution of chalking it up to a track that just didn't lend itself to great racing.

moto455va wrote:

this has been a topic of discussion for quite a while now

Andy_Greenney wrote:

You can hear the crowd sigh when the commentator says "Dungey with the holeshot"

Flatliner wrote:

Seriously how is this different than mc in the 90's? He threw a few whips in at the end and a nac nac. Mc is my...

Seriously how is this different than mc in the 90's? He threw a few whips in at the end and a nac nac.

Mc is my favourite rider ever, the remedy of winning is the same right now it seems , if RD is in the top 4, he's going to win. If Kroc, Tomac , whoever don't like it, beat the man.

Andy_Greenney wrote:

You can hear the crowd sigh when the commentator says "Dungey with the holeshot"

Flatliner wrote:

Seriously how is this different than mc in the 90's? He threw a few whips in at the end and a nac nac. Mc is my...

Seriously how is this different than mc in the 90's? He threw a few whips in at the end and a nac nac.

Mc is my favourite rider ever, the remedy of winning is the same right now it seems , if RD is in the top 4, he's going to win. If Kroc, Tomac , whoever don't like it, beat the man.

brimx153 wrote:

go look at RC and JS race 450 s in sx .was brilliant racing . the problem is Dungey is a better rider than everyone at...

go look at RC and JS race 450 s in sx .was brilliant racing . the problem is Dungey is a better rider than everyone at the moment . and instead of working on how to ride faster . Ken and Tomac just blame the bike .i really agree with DV on this . maybe its time to look at the way they ride compared to Dungey rather than bike set up the whole time . Its like there too proud to blame themselves because in there heads there faster riders than dungey

Insider347 wrote:

Actually go look at james, Travis, RC, Roncada etc. race on 125s and see how much more brilliant they are on 125 smokers. Blah,blah,blah, 2 stroke...

Actually go look at james, Travis, RC, Roncada etc. race on 125s and see how much more brilliant they are on 125 smokers. Blah,blah,blah, 2 stroke vs. 4 stroke blah blah BUT it's undeniable that the racing could be much more exciting on 2 strokes. Plain and simple. I know ML512 loves these modern 4 strokes and the technology is awesome but all that technology the last 15 years could have gone into developing a modern 2 stroke and superior racing. It's a fact. Takes tons of talent to do what these riders do but almost no talent for them to clear stadium obstacles on these 450s.

zehn wrote:

Give a fucking rest already. The number of times it takes the engine to completely cycle makes no difference in the quality of the racing.

zehn wrote:

Give a fucking rest already. The number of times it takes the engine to completely cycle makes no difference in the quality of the racing.

SigPig wrote:

Disagree.

mx_phreek wrote:

Without the holeshot device there will be more unpredictability in the start. Some will be better and some worse. It will be harder to control the...

Without the holeshot device there will be more unpredictability in the start. Some will be better and some worse. It will be harder to control the front wheel from popping a wheelie. You won't get the same guy out front every time. You're gonna mess up every now and then. I don't get how you don't see that. How can it be any worse at the minute.

bsharkey wrote:

if tomac bonds with that kawi like he did on the Honda it will be game on again

gerg wrote:

For me it's the last 2 tracks that have just been completely meh. I cant put my finger on it but something about the flow/layout...the vibe...

For me it's the last 2 tracks that have just been completely meh.

I cant put my finger on it but something about the flow/layout...the vibe just hasnt been there. And it's not just the 450 races.

Tracks and racing aside...the person in charge of the broadcast has to be a complete and utter troll yes?
I cant think of any other reason why they do the things they do at the times they do them...case in point. The Cooper Webb crash flashback right in the middle of the battle for position...which of course we all missed out on.

It has to be a troll....not even a full retard would think that was a good idea.