Air cooled KDX200/KX

arjay125
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Edited Date/Time 1/23/2016 1:17am
Hi - thought I'd share my long term project. It started out as a restoration on a 1987 KDX200 but then took a different turn. I rebuilt the motor (new bearings, seals, Nikasil, piston, blasted the cases) then the motor sat around under my bench for years. I realised that it was the engine I loved (back in the day) rather than the chassis - Power Valve, 6 speed, compact. I started thinking about the concept of a low tech trail bike that would keep with modern day machines. I started collecting bits to build it up.

86 KX125 frame and swing arm, rear wheel (first of the modern day linkage, rear disc but with single downtube frame)
87 KX piggy back shock, YZ titanium spring.
89 KX subframe (to take the 89 side panels, airbox, seat and rear guard)
98 RM125 Showa conventional 49mm forks, Gold Valves, revalved.
YZ Ti footpags.
Handmade tank.

I finished it off with FMF pipe and PWK Air Striker carb. It's still a work in progress but runs pretty well now. It's light like a 125, handles nice (turns well and doesn't head shake). The motor is raw by modern standards but pulls very hard right from idle, Definitely a pipey engine but it gets the power down well.

It's a never ending project Smile Always something to tweak. My next step might be the same engine in an 89 KX125 frame.






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1/21/2016 1:57am
That. Is. Awesome. Nice!
arjay125
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1/21/2016 2:31am
Thanks, it's a surprisingly capable trail bike. The only hold back is my own middle aged chassis. Saying that I can get through the single track quicker on it than on my newer bikes. Which is why I've come back to it Smile
1/21/2016 3:48am Edited Date/Time 1/21/2016 3:54am
I can imagine that.

I enduro a modern KTM 200 with a toned-down motor that'll lug 3rd at walking pace and pick up cleanly.
Excels on the technical routes, and doesn't beat me up too much either.
Smooth linear power, and makes sure it all gets to the ground.



Your bike sounds like a very similar recipe.
Very few people will understand it till they ride it, but out in the real world it's a fantastic weapon.

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1/21/2016 4:11am
I loved that motor. Find a late model kx chassis to put that in and you'd have a great bike.

I've always wanted to put a air cooled YZ 250/open motor in a 06 or new YZ chassis as I think it would be a fun light bike with out the head ache of liquid cooling.
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1/21/2016 6:26am
nice
BRT771
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1/21/2016 7:44am
Very cool bike! I like it. I rode a lot of KDX's in the 80's and just picked up a couple to try some vintage harescrambles with, a nice 84 and a parts bike.
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1/21/2016 8:32am
arjay125, that's a sweet build! I love all the parts you used...actually thought of a similar build a few years ago but never followed though with it. But that's pretty much exactly what I would have done.
arjay125
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Kidkawie wrote:
arjay125, that's a sweet build! I love all the parts you used...actually thought of a similar build a few years ago but never followed though with...
arjay125, that's a sweet build! I love all the parts you used...actually thought of a similar build a few years ago but never followed though with it. But that's pretty much exactly what I would have done.
next project would be to take the 89 KX125 frame cradle and convert it to single down tube and run the motor in that. Then i would have better linkage ratio and compatibility with KX500 shock and linkage parts.
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1/21/2016 1:49pm Edited Date/Time 1/21/2016 1:55pm
450exc115 wrote:
I loved that motor. Find a late model kx chassis to put that in and you'd have a great bike. I've always wanted to put a...
I loved that motor. Find a late model kx chassis to put that in and you'd have a great bike.

I've always wanted to put a air cooled YZ 250/open motor in a 06 or new YZ chassis as I think it would be a fun light bike with out the head ache of liquid cooling.
I would have gone for a later chassis if I could, I did a lot of research at the time. The trick was to find the latest KX frame that let the exhaust stinger run across the top under the tank. The newer frames have exhaust running through low, coming out under the shock reservoir. And you can't run a low slung exhaust with cylinder fins that wide. The 89 KX125 was the last frame with the high exhaust configuration, but it doesn't have single down tube at the front!

the 86 handles pretty good for its age! The geometry is almost identical to the first gen KX250F (same steering angle, trail, triple offset, wheelbase etc). With modern suspension it should be in the ball park.
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1/21/2016 7:30pm
I think you should take some time off of bike building to ride it. That had to take you a bazillion hours to make everything factory fit. Its hard enough to build a bike when all the pieces are made to work with each other from the factory. You really did a great job. Do you think the 89 chassis would really be that much of an improvement? You even made a custom tank! I would have to go with a 1980 Kx tank because I'm not skilled enough to fabricate a tank much less one that looks good.
Is that a 125 or 200 pipe? I want one now. I'll probably have to buy a pretty made ktm200
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Most of the time was on Ebay working out what bits would fit.

The motor going in was the easy part. The cases fitted into the swing arm gap fine, same size pivot bolt. Just made up ally triangle mount plates to hold the front then got the steel mounts on the cradle underneath moved about 1 cm. Done.

The only major fabrication was making up the mounts to hold the subframe and the back of the tank onto the frame. The rest sort of bolted up.

I used KXF250 triples (the right offset) with a new machined stem and had sleeves made to hold the forks. Shortened the 87 shock 10mm to fit. The tank was a necessity because of the new subframe and the way it mounted. None of the air cooled tanks fitted anywhere close. I made it up from cardboard then got a local fabricator to cut it out of ally sheet and put it together. The pipe is a Gold Series 200 one (86-88) with a later KDX E series silencer.

I've been out riding it more lately after neglecting it in favour of a newer bike. I forgot just how good it handles, and how light it is, so I'm back on it now, and selling the other. It has all the power I need for the tight single track sand riding where I live.

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1/22/2016 5:54am Edited Date/Time 1/22/2016 5:56am
I forgot to ask the thing I wanted to ask first. I see you have fork guards. Are they modified USD guards or does someone sell them to work on conventionals? I'd really like a set for my KX. I have the same forks as you
The air cooled cylinder looks cool with a power valve.I think the only other air cooled power valve motor I've ever seen was a Factory OW250 Yamaha
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arjay125 wrote:
Hi - thought I'd share my long term project. It started out as a restoration on a 1987 KDX200 but then took a different turn. I...
Hi - thought I'd share my long term project. It started out as a restoration on a 1987 KDX200 but then took a different turn. I rebuilt the motor (new bearings, seals, Nikasil, piston, blasted the cases) then the motor sat around under my bench for years. I realised that it was the engine I loved (back in the day) rather than the chassis - Power Valve, 6 speed, compact. I started thinking about the concept of a low tech trail bike that would keep with modern day machines. I started collecting bits to build it up.

86 KX125 frame and swing arm, rear wheel (first of the modern day linkage, rear disc but with single downtube frame)
87 KX piggy back shock, YZ titanium spring.
89 KX subframe (to take the 89 side panels, airbox, seat and rear guard)
98 RM125 Showa conventional 49mm forks, Gold Valves, revalved.
YZ Ti footpags.
Handmade tank.

I finished it off with FMF pipe and PWK Air Striker carb. It's still a work in progress but runs pretty well now. It's light like a 125, handles nice (turns well and doesn't head shake). The motor is raw by modern standards but pulls very hard right from idle, Definitely a pipey engine but it gets the power down well.

It's a never ending project Smile Always something to tweak. My next step might be the same engine in an 89 KX125 frame.






Very good idea, great bike!!! Did you build the tank yourself? Is it possible to see one pic of it?
arjay125
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MaxPower wrote:
I forgot to ask the thing I wanted to ask first. I see you have fork guards. Are they modified USD guards or does someone sell...
I forgot to ask the thing I wanted to ask first. I see you have fork guards. Are they modified USD guards or does someone sell them to work on conventionals? I'd really like a set for my KX. I have the same forks as you
The air cooled cylinder looks cool with a power valve.I think the only other air cooled power valve motor I've ever seen was a Factory OW250 Yamaha
The fork guards were from a KTM 97-99 (?) when those bikes were using conventional 50mm forks. They were OEM and surprisingly cheap from the local KTM dealer. I had to cut away a small part of the top mount to fit around the triples i was using at the time. They should go straight on!
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MaxPower wrote:
I think you should take some time off of bike building to ride it. That had to take you a bazillion hours to make everything factory...
I think you should take some time off of bike building to ride it. That had to take you a bazillion hours to make everything factory fit. Its hard enough to build a bike when all the pieces are made to work with each other from the factory. You really did a great job. Do you think the 89 chassis would really be that much of an improvement? You even made a custom tank! I would have to go with a 1980 Kx tank because I'm not skilled enough to fabricate a tank much less one that looks good.
Is that a 125 or 200 pipe? I want one now. I'll probably have to buy a pretty made ktm200
My logic on the 89 chassis: it has three years of development on the floating link. (the 86 was the first year). I'm guessing the 89 will be a better handling package (not that I have major issues with the 86).
The 89 shares broad compatibility with KDX E series and all KX500s to date. So when it comes to things like rebuilding the linkage it's easy to get aftermarket bearings and seals. There's nothing aftermarket for the 86.
The swing arm is a more modern set up with the sliding spacer blocks. Also if I can find a nice KX5 shock (like an Ohlins or WP) it will go straight in.
I'm hoping also that the 89 frame might have a bit more space around the side tubes and shock to accommodate the carb that comes back a bit further than on the 125. At the moment trying to put the carb boot back on with its clamp in place is a major manoeuvre.
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MaxPower wrote:
I forgot to ask the thing I wanted to ask first. I see you have fork guards. Are they modified USD guards or does someone sell...
I forgot to ask the thing I wanted to ask first. I see you have fork guards. Are they modified USD guards or does someone sell them to work on conventionals? I'd really like a set for my KX. I have the same forks as you
The air cooled cylinder looks cool with a power valve.I think the only other air cooled power valve motor I've ever seen was a Factory OW250 Yamaha

the KTM fork guards.

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1/22/2016 2:19pm Edited Date/Time 1/22/2016 2:21pm
arjay125 wrote:
Hi - thought I'd share my long term project. It started out as a restoration on a 1987 KDX200 but then took a different turn. I...
Hi - thought I'd share my long term project. It started out as a restoration on a 1987 KDX200 but then took a different turn. I rebuilt the motor (new bearings, seals, Nikasil, piston, blasted the cases) then the motor sat around under my bench for years. I realised that it was the engine I loved (back in the day) rather than the chassis - Power Valve, 6 speed, compact. I started thinking about the concept of a low tech trail bike that would keep with modern day machines. I started collecting bits to build it up.

86 KX125 frame and swing arm, rear wheel (first of the modern day linkage, rear disc but with single downtube frame)
87 KX piggy back shock, YZ titanium spring.
89 KX subframe (to take the 89 side panels, airbox, seat and rear guard)
98 RM125 Showa conventional 49mm forks, Gold Valves, revalved.
YZ Ti footpags.
Handmade tank.

I finished it off with FMF pipe and PWK Air Striker carb. It's still a work in progress but runs pretty well now. It's light like a 125, handles nice (turns well and doesn't head shake). The motor is raw by modern standards but pulls very hard right from idle, Definitely a pipey engine but it gets the power down well.

It's a never ending project Smile Always something to tweak. My next step might be the same engine in an 89 KX125 frame.






Steph500 wrote:
Very good idea, great bike!!! Did you build the tank yourself? Is it possible to see one pic of it?
Here's the tank. A bit on the Stalin-esque side, but it needed to fit the profile of the later style seat front, and match the frame. It ain't pretty but it works fine and is as narrow as the seat all the way through. It holds 11 litres. Not sure how! It didn't make it myself. I just designed it, cut out card templates, taped it together, then took it to a welder who knew what he was doing! I bought the ready made filler neck and cap from a tank making company in the uk called GMX radiators. They were very helpful (and didn't laugh too hard it the primitive design of mine :-)







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Thanks for pics of tank, it's nice and well proportioned. Itis make as a Works racer! Beautiful bike!!!

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