Double Standard?

Anthony Siracuse
Edited Date/Time 1/10/2016 11:07am
Hate to be this guy, but friese took out pieck, people get mad. Canard takes out Dungey, rubbing is racing. I realize the context to the situation, but do you think because of the racers involved in the incident, we perceive it differently?
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TripleFive 1/10/2016 9:17am
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A real brain teaser.
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Canard takes out reed, racing incident

Reed pushes canard to edge of track while canard is one handed, black flag

stewart goes down in safe position on the outside of a berm, red flag

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Anthony Siracuse wrote:
Hate to be this guy, but friese took out pieck, people get mad. Canard takes out Dungey, rubbing is racing. I realize the context to the...
Hate to be this guy, but friese took out pieck, people get mad. Canard takes out Dungey, rubbing is racing. I realize the context to the situation, but do you think because of the racers involved in the incident, we perceive it differently?
No. Two totally different racing situations.
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SlowMoFo 1/10/2016 9:28am
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Look at the riding history of Friese.
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Canard's move wasn't dirty or stupid in any way, he got alongside Dungey and just pushed him out. What Friese did was a blatant take out. Regardless of the people involved, there's a huge difference in the two incidents
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Dr Wario 1/10/2016 9:32am
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RG1 wrote:
Canard's move wasn't dirty or stupid in any way, he got alongside Dungey and just pushed him out. What Friese did was a blatant take out...
Canard's move wasn't dirty or stupid in any way, he got alongside Dungey and just pushed him out. What Friese did was a blatant take out. Regardless of the people involved, there's a huge difference in the two incidents
Word. Totally different. No double standard
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enketchum wrote:
Canard takes out reed, racing incident Reed pushes canard to edge of track while canard is one handed, black flag stewart goes down in safe position...
Canard takes out reed, racing incident

Reed pushes canard to edge of track while canard is one handed, black flag

stewart goes down in safe position on the outside of a berm, red flag

wts
When Reed did that it was an obvious retaliation move, he wasn't racing.
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GuyB 1/10/2016 9:38am
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enketchum wrote:
Canard takes out reed, racing incident Reed pushes canard to edge of track while canard is one handed, black flag stewart goes down in safe position...
Canard takes out reed, racing incident

Reed pushes canard to edge of track while canard is one handed, black flag

stewart goes down in safe position on the outside of a berm, red flag

wts
If they red-flagged it, I'd suggest that James was napping, and they didn't want to move him without knowing the extent of his injuries. He was also laid out just off the racing line, and a rider's momentum would have taken them towards the incident, not away from it.

I'd also suggest that if the main had continued, the winner would have been Roczen. That's based on his position in the first main. In the second one, he started almost dead last and ended up fifth.
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enketchum wrote:
Canard takes out reed, racing incident Reed pushes canard to edge of track while canard is one handed, black flag stewart goes down in safe position...
Canard takes out reed, racing incident

Reed pushes canard to edge of track while canard is one handed, black flag

stewart goes down in safe position on the outside of a berm, red flag

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You don't think they should have red flagged the race when a rider is laying KOed next to the track? Huh
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If they red-flagged it, I'd suggest that James was napping, and they didn't want to move him without knowing the extent of his injuries. He was...
If they red-flagged it, I'd suggest that James was napping, and they didn't want to move him without knowing the extent of his injuries. He was also laid out just off the racing line, and a rider's momentum would have taken them towards the incident, not away from it.

I'd also suggest that if the main had continued, the winner would have been Roczen. That's based on his position in the first main. In the second one, he started almost dead last and ended up fifth.
Ken was actually down within the first two corners. I can't remember if it was turn one or two though... Great comeback and salvage on his part.
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ML512 1/10/2016 9:42am
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GuyB wrote:
If they red-flagged it, I'd suggest that James was napping, and they didn't want to move him without knowing the extent of his injuries. He was...
If they red-flagged it, I'd suggest that James was napping, and they didn't want to move him without knowing the extent of his injuries. He was also laid out just off the racing line, and a rider's momentum would have taken them towards the incident, not away from it.

I'd also suggest that if the main had continued, the winner would have been Roczen. That's based on his position in the first main. In the second one, he started almost dead last and ended up fifth.
I was very disappointed with the crowd boo-ing the red flag decision. Rider's safety is number one in situations like that.
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Frodad78 1/10/2016 9:42am
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enketchum wrote:
Canard takes out reed, racing incident Reed pushes canard to edge of track while canard is one handed, black flag stewart goes down in safe position...
Canard takes out reed, racing incident

Reed pushes canard to edge of track while canard is one handed, black flag

stewart goes down in safe position on the outside of a berm, red flag

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He may have been in a safe position but he was knocked the fuck out on the opening laps. All the other crashes you mentioned had riders getting back on their bikes, not blowing snot bubbles in dreamland. The Red flag was for rider safety.
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GuyB wrote:
If they red-flagged it, I'd suggest that James was napping, and they didn't want to move him without knowing the extent of his injuries. He was...
If they red-flagged it, I'd suggest that James was napping, and they didn't want to move him without knowing the extent of his injuries. He was also laid out just off the racing line, and a rider's momentum would have taken them towards the incident, not away from it.

I'd also suggest that if the main had continued, the winner would have been Roczen. That's based on his position in the first main. In the second one, he started almost dead last and ended up fifth.
Wasn't Roczen pretty close to Dungey in the second main after Dungey went down ? I thought I saw him on the same straight as Dungey and Dungey kind of gapped him a little by the end. Granted there was usually a rider or two between them.
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ML512 wrote:
I was very disappointed with the crowd boo-ing the red flag decision. Rider's safety is number one in situations like that.
Anyone that booed is an effing moran. They are taking over the country
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enketchum wrote:
Canard takes out reed, racing incident Reed pushes canard to edge of track while canard is one handed, black flag stewart goes down in safe position...
Canard takes out reed, racing incident

Reed pushes canard to edge of track while canard is one handed, black flag

stewart goes down in safe position on the outside of a berm, red flag

wts
Frodad78 wrote:
He may have been in a safe position but he was knocked the fuck out on the opening laps. All the other crashes you mentioned had...
He may have been in a safe position but he was knocked the fuck out on the opening laps. All the other crashes you mentioned had riders getting back on their bikes, not blowing snot bubbles in dreamland. The Red flag was for rider safety.
and the track crew who had to tend to Bubba.
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Wasn't Roczen pretty close to Dungey in the second main after Dungey went down ? I thought I saw him on the same straight as Dungey...
Wasn't Roczen pretty close to Dungey in the second main after Dungey went down ? I thought I saw him on the same straight as Dungey and Dungey kind of gapped him a little by the end. Granted there was usually a rider or two between them.
Lap one...and Kenny had already made some passes.



Ryan had dropped from fourth to seventh before coming back to second.
mattyhamz2 1/10/2016 10:12am
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Idk about the rest of the stadium but no one in my area of the stadium boo'd the red flag decision. They were pissed and booing dungey for taking James out. I watched it a few more times after I got home and even if dungey didn't clip the jump he was going straight into James no matter what!

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RG1 wrote:
Canard's move wasn't dirty or stupid in any way, he got alongside Dungey and just pushed him out. What Friese did was a blatant take out...
Canard's move wasn't dirty or stupid in any way, he got alongside Dungey and just pushed him out. What Friese did was a blatant take out. Regardless of the people involved, there's a huge difference in the two incidents
yup, not sure what Anthony saw but Canards pass was legit
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kiwifan 1/10/2016 10:53am
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GuyB wrote:
If they red-flagged it, I'd suggest that James was napping, and they didn't want to move him without knowing the extent of his injuries. He was...
If they red-flagged it, I'd suggest that James was napping, and they didn't want to move him without knowing the extent of his injuries. He was also laid out just off the racing line, and a rider's momentum would have taken them towards the incident, not away from it.

I'd also suggest that if the main had continued, the winner would have been Roczen. That's based on his position in the first main. In the second one, he started almost dead last and ended up fifth.
ML512 wrote:
I was very disappointed with the crowd boo-ing the red flag decision. Rider's safety is number one in situations like that.
Yup wasn't very nice to hear at all, does the crowd want people killed?
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GuyB wrote:
If they red-flagged it, I'd suggest that James was napping, and they didn't want to move him without knowing the extent of his injuries. He was...
If they red-flagged it, I'd suggest that James was napping, and they didn't want to move him without knowing the extent of his injuries. He was also laid out just off the racing line, and a rider's momentum would have taken them towards the incident, not away from it.

I'd also suggest that if the main had continued, the winner would have been Roczen. That's based on his position in the first main. In the second one, he started almost dead last and ended up fifth.
ML512 wrote:
I was very disappointed with the crowd boo-ing the red flag decision. Rider's safety is number one in situations like that.
It's the Monster Truck fan mentality that our sport is currently breeding.
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RG1 wrote:
Canard's move wasn't dirty or stupid in any way, he got alongside Dungey and just pushed him out. What Friese did was a blatant take out...
Canard's move wasn't dirty or stupid in any way, he got alongside Dungey and just pushed him out. What Friese did was a blatant take out. Regardless of the people involved, there's a huge difference in the two incidents
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yup, not sure what Anthony saw but Canards pass was legit
Canard saw the opening to re pass Dungey and ran Dungey over the berm. Dungey left himself vulnerable. Canard knew he was punting Dungey, so don't say Canard is a nice guy. He knew if Dungey got past him, Dungey was gone. Canard saw the chance to move Dungey back and try to keep him from getting to the front. Yes, that's racing, but don't call it clean.
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Idk about the rest of the stadium but no one in my area of the stadium boo'd the red flag decision. They were pissed and booing...
Idk about the rest of the stadium but no one in my area of the stadium boo'd the red flag decision. They were pissed and booing dungey for taking James out. I watched it a few more times after I got home and even if dungey didn't clip the jump he was going straight into James no matter what!
Same in my section. Peeps in front row were flipping RD off every time he came by. Were were sitting right in front of first triple.

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