Chad Sanner article

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This is how it is...

Chad/11-10 had a bunch of riders that he "helped" out. He would do the work and the riders would supply parts from their sponsors/pockets (a lot of guys get motor parts for free depending on the sponsor ex pistons, cams etc). He setup a race team, that was funded by the work he did at the shop (until Yamaha came on and gave him bikes/budget/parts - the budget wasn't huge so don't drool). The riders and the shop (chad) had an agreement, no one knows the exacts beside the actual people involved - But they would travel across the county and expect t have the money on a credit card (it wouldn't be) to cover the fuel, hotels, etc - It became a huge problem for the riders when they sat at hotels or gas stations with $0 and a card that didn't work. Everyone got fed up at some point and they bailed.

Now
Onto the shop... Lines and lines of people wanted a 11/10 motor when they were ripping holeshots - the work was there. Chad had some problems in his life that cost a lot of money and would consume his time. So there was all of this work in the shop and pretty much him and a guy or two doing everything. Needless to say between the volume of work and the lack of staff mixed with the personal problems started 11/10 down a bad road. The motors started to not last, the customers orders were backing up, and there are a lot of people that got a very bad taste of them (totally understandable). I know theres a lot of people that bought parts or paid for work or sent them parts that didn't come back, the parts never showed up, and they've seem some of their parts on someone elses bike.

Its a shame that the story leads us to the reality that is today. The guy is good at building motors & the other side to that card is he has some things in his life that got in the way of that. The team started on chads dime and the riders skill which eventually brought sponsors - and when it came it way too late to und what was already done couldn't be undone.

It kinda is what it is at this point. The only good news is that most of the riders that used him as engine builders have moved on. Its also allowed for some other guys in swpa that are great at what they do, and they've had a chance to do things for riders that get them noticeability. I hope chad and his family can bounce back from the funk they are or were in & I hope that the riders/customers that were burned realize that something's are out of their control and not all moto shops are this way.

Don't ask me how I know these things, I just do.
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12/31/2015 6:40pm Edited Date/Time 12/31/2015 6:40pm
I'll say this about Chad. He remapped my ecu for a Honda, and it came back way too lean. It was obvious, so I called him and he made it right. He next day aired me a couple to try, and said to send him back the ones that I didn't like. He was easy to get one the phone, and likes to talk. For those that are small business owners, you know how stressful it usually is. I liked Chad, and hope things work out well for him. He put a lot of time and sweat into that place.
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In regards to the martins being loaded from having the national.... MXSports Puts the event on and leases the land from the owner (martins in this case). The owner doesn't make anything close to what you would think. Like anything. But on the same hand...
MXSports has all the equiptment, fuel, staff, logistics, promotions, insurance, rentals, lodging, taxes, etc. You may look at a national and say "man they are killing it with the gate fees" but if you tried to put the event on, imagine the costs. They make the money doing the series, but each event has crazy costs (I know sponsors help but still. They have a gizzilion workers everywhere)
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Fair enough.

Some say Americas about second chances and with that being said, if Chads got his "personal stuff"(I dont need to know and no one else does either I think what that stuff was) sorted out then I say move forward not backwards.

Best of wishes to Chad and his business endeavors going forward.Smile

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Sanner had no business fielding a race team out of a hole in the wall shop. But he did and he did quite well. I can...
Sanner had no business fielding a race team out of a hole in the wall shop. But he did and he did quite well. I can admire that. I've spent my entire life making sure everyone got paid on time and that no checks ever bounced. I also never got to field a race team...lol. There have been quite a few rich fuckers come in and gut the sport. Maybe ML512 will follow up on the MDK dude that DC did the feel good story on years ago since he seems to have such a hard on for Sanner. Laughing Laughing Don't just stop with Sanner, keep the ball rolling. Follow up on the Albertyn effect on DeCosters retirement too while you are at it. And did Ryan Hughes ever pay Lapaglia's dad???Laughing
I don't have any experience with the MDK dude or Albertyn... although I don't care for Hughes for multiple reasons... As for Sanner, we've had a PM conversation about him and you know I have a personal reason behind my opinion.
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In regards to the martins being loaded from having the national.... MXSports Puts the event on and leases the land from the owner (martins in this...
In regards to the martins being loaded from having the national.... MXSports Puts the event on and leases the land from the owner (martins in this case). The owner doesn't make anything close to what you would think. Like anything. But on the same hand...
MXSports has all the equiptment, fuel, staff, logistics, promotions, insurance, rentals, lodging, taxes, etc. You may look at a national and say "man they are killing it with the gate fees" but if you tried to put the event on, imagine the costs. They make the money doing the series, but each event has crazy costs (I know sponsors help but still. They have a gizzilion workers everywhere)
I love how nobody makes any money yet places like Glen Helen scream bloody murder if they lose the race.

Spare me the bullshit they do it for the love of the sport.
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while we are outing shit, what about that Supercrossx team that suckered Yamaha and basically ruined
Josh Litctles (sp)career.

I would wager there's about an equal amount of checks that are good vs bad in the Sport.
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12/31/2015 8:17pm Edited Date/Time 12/31/2015 8:17pm
In regards to the martins being loaded from having the national.... MXSports Puts the event on and leases the land from the owner (martins in this...
In regards to the martins being loaded from having the national.... MXSports Puts the event on and leases the land from the owner (martins in this case). The owner doesn't make anything close to what you would think. Like anything. But on the same hand...
MXSports has all the equiptment, fuel, staff, logistics, promotions, insurance, rentals, lodging, taxes, etc. You may look at a national and say "man they are killing it with the gate fees" but if you tried to put the event on, imagine the costs. They make the money doing the series, but each event has crazy costs (I know sponsors help but still. They have a gizzilion workers everywhere)
500guy wrote:
I love how nobody makes any money yet places like Glen Helen scream bloody murder if they lose the race. Spare me the bullshit they do...
I love how nobody makes any money yet places like Glen Helen scream bloody murder if they lose the race.

Spare me the bullshit they do it for the love of the sport.
evidently he forgets about the camping, parking, practice and amateur day that is run by these nationals...that makes a killing...thats not run by mxsports.
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500guy wrote:
while we are outing shit, what about that Supercrossx team that suckered Yamaha and basically ruined Josh Litctles (sp)career. I would wager there's about an equal...
while we are outing shit, what about that Supercrossx team that suckered Yamaha and basically ruined
Josh Litctles (sp)career.

I would wager there's about an equal amount of checks that are good vs bad in the Sport.
Which Yamaha team was that?

Speaking of Josh Litchle... had an interesting conversation with Travis Pastrana about helping him out one year...
12/31/2015 9:59pm
.......people still owe JT$.
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Did Broc Tickle ever pay his old trainer?
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Didn't Travis Preston try to sue Mark Kvamme following the mdk implosion?

I don't think anybody faults Chad for being broke. But he needs to address the allegations of unkept promises, not showing up to races, showing up late, the credit card issues, etc.
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ML512 wrote:
I wonder if he talks about ignoring customer calls/emails for months and going into hiding in part two...
UpTiTe wrote:
You're supposed to be a unbias reporter.
ML512 wrote:
I'm not the one doing the interview and I'm most definitely allowed to have an opinion.
Are you not a big part of vital? Now maybe think about if a race team would allow you to test their bIke or have a gear company give you product to review for the website... I sure as hell wouldn't because I'd be worried of a negative post you'd put up if someone within the company had a personal beef. You are entitled to your opinion but unfortunately your opinion hurts this website....
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rideguy721 wrote:
Are you not a big part of vital? Now maybe think about if a race team would allow you to test their bIke or have a...
Are you not a big part of vital? Now maybe think about if a race team would allow you to test their bIke or have a gear company give you product to review for the website... I sure as hell wouldn't because I'd be worried of a negative post you'd put up if someone within the company had a personal beef. You are entitled to your opinion but unfortunately your opinion hurts this website....
Being a journalist means you're not always going to have a positive thing to say about everything, at least for me.

In the case of testing something from a company with someone I might have had an issue with in the past (which there's only maybe three I can think of), I can easily put that aside for the sake of what I'm working on.
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rideguy721 wrote:
Are you not a big part of vital? Now maybe think about if a race team would allow you to test their bIke or have a...
Are you not a big part of vital? Now maybe think about if a race team would allow you to test their bIke or have a gear company give you product to review for the website... I sure as hell wouldn't because I'd be worried of a negative post you'd put up if someone within the company had a personal beef. You are entitled to your opinion but unfortunately your opinion hurts this website....
In other words, since he's part of the operations of Vital MX he's not allowed an opinion on someone he's had dealings with? Or he has to keep that opinion completely to himself?

And if a team or company only offers up a product or machine for testing under the premise that it gets a good review, the entire process is flawed.

There's also a significant difference between testing a product or machine and having personal feelings toward someone. Kind of reminds of the saying "everyone is an asshole to someone." In other words, nobody is liked by everyone. They're still entitled to their opinion.

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Are you not a big part of vital? Now maybe think about if a race team would allow you to test their bIke or have a...
Are you not a big part of vital? Now maybe think about if a race team would allow you to test their bIke or have a gear company give you product to review for the website... I sure as hell wouldn't because I'd be worried of a negative post you'd put up if someone within the company had a personal beef. You are entitled to your opinion but unfortunately your opinion hurts this website....
I could not disagree with you more. I think you may be speaking more to a person-to-person dispute, but in the general sense I think that is a slippery slope.

I'll take full transparency over reporting/writing in a way to make sure no one has their feathers ruffled 100 times out of 100. I have enough sponsored content in my life. The ability to freely express one's opinion outside of the constraints of what the industry/sport norms may be is - IMO - a big reason why Vital is what it is, and why so many people check in here daily.

Misleading readers/consumers by providing fluffed up content to appease whoever or whatever is being covered takes advantage of the trust said readers/consumers have in the provider, whether that's Vital or any other content provider.

Just my opinion.
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I also view Vital as an entity separated from mainstream/traditional media outlets and agree with the above.
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In regards to the martins being loaded from having the national.... MXSports Puts the event on and leases the land from the owner (martins in this...
In regards to the martins being loaded from having the national.... MXSports Puts the event on and leases the land from the owner (martins in this case). The owner doesn't make anything close to what you would think. Like anything. But on the same hand...
MXSports has all the equiptment, fuel, staff, logistics, promotions, insurance, rentals, lodging, taxes, etc. You may look at a national and say "man they are killing it with the gate fees" but if you tried to put the event on, imagine the costs. They make the money doing the series, but each event has crazy costs (I know sponsors help but still. They have a gizzilion workers everywhere)
500guy wrote:
I love how nobody makes any money yet places like Glen Helen scream bloody murder if they lose the race. Spare me the bullshit they do...
I love how nobody makes any money yet places like Glen Helen scream bloody murder if they lose the race.

Spare me the bullshit they do it for the love of the sport.
You can assume all that you want. Let me just say... The tracks can make more money leasing the land for a tough mudder than a mx national.
Mx sports puts on the amateur events following the Nationals - my payout checks have come from them.
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You can assume all that you want. Let me just say... The tracks can make more money leasing the land for a tough mudder than a...
You can assume all that you want. Let me just say... The tracks can make more money leasing the land for a tough mudder than a mx national.
Mx sports puts on the amateur events following the Nationals - my payout checks have come from them.
I make no assumptions, businesses that lose money no longer exist, let alone fight to keep the status quo.
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In general it is a sad deal all around. I don't think Chad meant for things to go the way they did, and I am sure he tried everything in his power to do the right thing. As for the customer issues with products not being returned etc., i would assume this is behind him. Sometimes people hit lulls in their life and they themselves move on and become better because of it. I would venture, if you were to call Chad up today, ask for some engine work, he would do a great job. Tons of great minds out there for certain things like building engines, but simply are not good at running a business. This is why structures are put in place with larger corporations because not everyone can do everything well. I think it is awesome to see Alex and Phil doing so well. I hope Durham comes out swinging again with that super sexy style on the bike. He should do really well with the Yamaha.
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This thread delivers! Evil

-Sannerlove an Sannerhate
-A jilted moderator
-John Martin is a cheap bastard for not chipping in for his sons mx career because mx promotors make all the money
-There was even a brief moment where a certain ex pro, now trainer got drug into it but I see the edit feature was used.
-Investigations demanded of MDK motorsports and former world and national mx champion Greg Albertyn
-An unnamed insider registers and tells the real story...but is ignored for the most part.Laughing

Happy New Year! Wink
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Sandberm wrote:
This thread delivers! :evil: -Sannerlove an Sannerhate -A jilted moderator -John Martin is a cheap bastard for not chipping in for his sons mx career because...
This thread delivers! Evil

-Sannerlove an Sannerhate
-A jilted moderator
-John Martin is a cheap bastard for not chipping in for his sons mx career because mx promotors make all the money
-There was even a brief moment where a certain ex pro, now trainer got drug into it but I see the edit feature was used.
-Investigations demanded of MDK motorsports and former world and national mx champion Greg Albertyn
-An unnamed insider registers and tells the real story...but is ignored for the most part.Laughing

Happy New Year! Wink
Jilted is not the right word to use in this occasion. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Sandberm wrote:
This thread delivers! :evil: -Sannerlove an Sannerhate -A jilted moderator -John Martin is a cheap bastard for not chipping in for his sons mx career because...
This thread delivers! Evil

-Sannerlove an Sannerhate
-A jilted moderator
-John Martin is a cheap bastard for not chipping in for his sons mx career because mx promotors make all the money
-There was even a brief moment where a certain ex pro, now trainer got drug into it but I see the edit feature was used.
-Investigations demanded of MDK motorsports and former world and national mx champion Greg Albertyn
-An unnamed insider registers and tells the real story...but is ignored for the most part.Laughing

Happy New Year! Wink
How do you know the poster is a insider, thought he was unknown.
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mxb2 wrote:
How do you know the poster is a insider, thought he was unknown.
He's just a guy from Pennsylvania. Laughing
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nytsmaC wrote:
Did Broc Tickle ever pay his old trainer?
I don't think so and after that prick hosed over X brand goggles this summer it's obvious his stripes haven't changed. I used to like him but after the trainer debacle and goggle fiasco it's obvious he's a good rider....not a good person
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Happy New Years Nathan... are you getting some good entertainment value out of this? Tongue Laughing
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nytsmaC wrote:
Did Broc Tickle ever pay his old trainer?
racer495a wrote:
I don't think so and after that prick hosed over X brand goggles this summer it's obvious his stripes haven't changed. I used to like him...
I don't think so and after that prick hosed over X brand goggles this summer it's obvious his stripes haven't changed. I used to like him but after the trainer debacle and goggle fiasco it's obvious he's a good rider....not a good person
The goggle fiasco wasn't what it came out to be... Laughing Laughing He's still in Eks Brand is you haven't noticed...
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mxb2 wrote:
How do you know the poster is a insider, thought he was unknown.
ML512 wrote:
He's just a guy from Pennsylvania. Laughing
Lol, i know plenty of people from pa, that dont know anything lol.

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