KTM's stake in MXA Magazine

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Edited Date/Time 12/11/2015 3:49pm
Does KTM own part of MXA?

So much of the content on MXA's site is all about showcasing KTM's bikes and all kinds of non-MX KTM stuff.

Look at http://motocrossactionmag.com/home-page/rumors-gossip-unfounded-truths-…

It's all about the orange bikes and even engines they developed for other sports...
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I think what we are seeing is a direct result of KTM continuing to reinvest in its products where the other manufactures just haven't. Yamaha has to an extent but Honda, Suzuki and Kawasaki are stuck in their ways while KTM is giving customers what they want. The direct result is lots of press.

It can also be said that KTM makes what seems like 15 different "full size" models compared to 2-5 for the Japanese manufactures. Yamaha has certainly made an effort but the others are just spinning their wheels.

Im a Honda guy through and through but you can't deny that KTM is on fire right now and rightfully so.
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DPR250R 12/10/2015 1:32pm
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They bought Yamaha's shares.
RailinRuts450 12/10/2015 1:41pm
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Probably because KTM makes more MX and Offroad models than all of the other mfgs combined. This is coming from a guy who likes riding yamahas.
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mtl wrote:
Does KTM own part of MXA? So much of the content on MXA's site is all about showcasing KTM's bikes and all kinds of non-MX KTM...
Does KTM own part of MXA?

So much of the content on MXA's site is all about showcasing KTM's bikes and all kinds of non-MX KTM stuff.

Look at http://motocrossactionmag.com/home-page/rumors-gossip-unfounded-truths-…

It's all about the orange bikes and even engines they developed for other sports...
People use to say the same thing about Honda and then Yamaha and now its KTM . A few years from now you will be saying the same thing about what ever Brand is doing really well, but I dont think it will be Suzuki.Pinch Pinch Pinch

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I'm not currently riding a KTM, though I've owned many. But, KTM is really almost the only game in town these days. They have way, way more off road models than any other OEM. They put serious R&D into each model every year. They support more moto and off road teams and riders than every other brand by far. Really, what is MXA supposed to do? Fabricate stories about how exciting the new seat cover is on the Suzuki, or the exciting new Honda that's been the same since 10'. KTM is in the news because they are the news. The only other brand really putting in the effort right now appears to be Yamaha, and even that pales in comparison.
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BAMX 12/10/2015 2:26pm
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DPR250R wrote:
They bought Yamaha's shares.
Didn't Yamaha buy those shares from Honda?
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nascarnate326 wrote:
I think what we are seeing is a direct result of KTM continuing to reinvest in its products where the other manufactures just haven't. Yamaha has...
I think what we are seeing is a direct result of KTM continuing to reinvest in its products where the other manufactures just haven't. Yamaha has to an extent but Honda, Suzuki and Kawasaki are stuck in their ways while KTM is giving customers what they want. The direct result is lots of press.

It can also be said that KTM makes what seems like 15 different "full size" models compared to 2-5 for the Japanese manufactures. Yamaha has certainly made an effort but the others are just spinning their wheels.

Im a Honda guy through and through but you can't deny that KTM is on fire right now and rightfully so.
Yeah all non-KTM branded riders should not read MXA, I get ya and I agree...I don't even bother going to their website these days, god knows what they are going to do when the new Suzuki and Honda 450's hit the floors next year....I pick them going the Suzuki way

Personally most of the KTM revival is due to the 2 stroke fraternity getting their rocks off, now that Yamahas still make and are making more two strokes then that's why they are deemed as making an effort.

To say the other manufactures aren't making any effort is really a load of bullshit, they clearly do not see the market for 15 different models and yet they still make their money even though their bikes are cheaper than KTM's. But I guess KTM riders need to pay more because KTM deserve it right?
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kiwifan 12/10/2015 2:33pm
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hellion wrote:
I'm not currently riding a KTM, though I've owned many. But, KTM is really almost the only game in town these days. They have way, way...
I'm not currently riding a KTM, though I've owned many. But, KTM is really almost the only game in town these days. They have way, way more off road models than any other OEM. They put serious R&D into each model every year. They support more moto and off road teams and riders than every other brand by far. Really, what is MXA supposed to do? Fabricate stories about how exciting the new seat cover is on the Suzuki, or the exciting new Honda that's been the same since 10'. KTM is in the news because they are the news. The only other brand really putting in the effort right now appears to be Yamaha, and even that pales in comparison.
they are the only game in town and you don't ride one? Shouldn't you be supporting them by buying one if they are so awesome?
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Insider347 12/10/2015 2:34pm
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DPR250R wrote:
They bought Yamaha's shares.
Funny
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DPR250R wrote:
They bought Yamaha's shares.
BAMX wrote:
Didn't Yamaha buy those shares from Honda?
Kawasaki's were the flavour of the month for MXA for quite a few years....I am very surprised the KXF450 didn't do well in their 2016 shootout, its frigging awesome!!!! But then again I am not surprised, they hate Honda and Suzuki and now frown on Kawasaki's
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Spartacus 12/10/2015 2:42pm
12/10/2015 2:42pm Edited Date/Time 12/10/2015 3:04pm
I guess if a lot people weren't interested in KTM's they wouldn't be writing about them. I believe they're in the business of selling subscriptions. But I could be wrong....

Underground 12/10/2015 2:49pm
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Just as an interest point, count the pages of KTM ads v's other brands and see where you come up. Make sure you add in Husky too to KTM's count.
Saying that, the KTM's work pretty darn well when they're working. And you've fitted cone valves
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kiwifan wrote:
Yeah all non-KTM branded riders should not read MXA, I get ya and I agree...I don't even bother going to their website these days, god knows...
Yeah all non-KTM branded riders should not read MXA, I get ya and I agree...I don't even bother going to their website these days, god knows what they are going to do when the new Suzuki and Honda 450's hit the floors next year....I pick them going the Suzuki way

Personally most of the KTM revival is due to the 2 stroke fraternity getting their rocks off, now that Yamahas still make and are making more two strokes then that's why they are deemed as making an effort.

To say the other manufactures aren't making any effort is really a load of bullshit, they clearly do not see the market for 15 different models and yet they still make their money even though their bikes are cheaper than KTM's. But I guess KTM riders need to pay more because KTM deserve it right?
Oh just stop it. We know you hate KTM so your opinion is kind of invalid when it comes to this topic.
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Rich Piano 12/10/2015 2:51pm
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For years, everyone said Honda owned it. Then Yamaha. Now KTM.

I can't wait till Beta owns it. LOLZ
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KTM has -6- Motocross models (Not including the 4, soon to be 5, youth models). You can call it -8- if you want to treat the Factory Editions as a different bike...I know how some of you with 15.5 FE's are feelin'...

KTM redesigns and develops new models virtually TWICE as fast as Japan...considerably faster if you want to talk Taliban...uh, I mean Two Strokes.

Did I mention those "Mid-Year" Factory Editions? Those are kinda nice, too. So that's DOUBLE the "Bike Test" opportunities for KTM ...since no-one-else has seen fit to compete with them on this front.

And...KTM gives MXA plenty of test bikes and seems to let them keep more than a few of them for long "term use"; therfore, the staff at MX really "get's to know" the Orange bikes.

So...you know who's fault it is that you see soooo much Orange at MXA?

It's EVERY-OTHER BRAND'S fault.

Honda, Suzuki and Kawasaki: 2 models each (LAME).

Yamaha: 4 models (Nice! You do notice that Yamaha get's LOTS of love...I think SSS is used in damn near every KTM test to remind KTM that they're still "not there, yet"...

Husky: 5 models

KTM: -8- Models (The FE's get their own tests, don't they?)
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kiwifan wrote:
Yeah all non-KTM branded riders should not read MXA, I get ya and I agree...I don't even bother going to their website these days, god knows...
Yeah all non-KTM branded riders should not read MXA, I get ya and I agree...I don't even bother going to their website these days, god knows what they are going to do when the new Suzuki and Honda 450's hit the floors next year....I pick them going the Suzuki way

Personally most of the KTM revival is due to the 2 stroke fraternity getting their rocks off, now that Yamahas still make and are making more two strokes then that's why they are deemed as making an effort.

To say the other manufactures aren't making any effort is really a load of bullshit, they clearly do not see the market for 15 different models and yet they still make their money even though their bikes are cheaper than KTM's. But I guess KTM riders need to pay more because KTM deserve it right?
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Oh just stop it. We know you hate KTM so your opinion is kind of invalid when it comes to this topic.
In the USA...KTM sells the hell outta Thumpers. Husky, too.
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Zaugg 12/10/2015 2:55pm
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So back in the day when MXA started, every manufacture was given an equal share of the magazine. Over time, MXA couldn't keep everyone happy, because only one brand can win a shoot out, so the "loosing" companies would sell off some of their shares to flavor of the month.

This has gone on for years. Ask anybody.

Currently, with the guy who owns KTM buying Husky, he thought, hey, "I should buy some magazines as well," and bought some shares of MXA, TWMX, not enough of Vital and Dirt Rider apparently, and there you go.

It's pretty much standard practice.

PS: If ET3 does well this season, expect Kawi to start buying out what Honda and Suzuki have left over.

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Motofinne 12/10/2015 2:57pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
KTM has -6- Motocross models (Not including the 4, soon to be 5, youth models). You can call it -8- if you want to treat the...
KTM has -6- Motocross models (Not including the 4, soon to be 5, youth models). You can call it -8- if you want to treat the Factory Editions as a different bike...I know how some of you with 15.5 FE's are feelin'...

KTM redesigns and develops new models virtually TWICE as fast as Japan...considerably faster if you want to talk Taliban...uh, I mean Two Strokes.

Did I mention those "Mid-Year" Factory Editions? Those are kinda nice, too. So that's DOUBLE the "Bike Test" opportunities for KTM ...since no-one-else has seen fit to compete with them on this front.

And...KTM gives MXA plenty of test bikes and seems to let them keep more than a few of them for long "term use"; therfore, the staff at MX really "get's to know" the Orange bikes.

So...you know who's fault it is that you see soooo much Orange at MXA?

It's EVERY-OTHER BRAND'S fault.

Honda, Suzuki and Kawasaki: 2 models each (LAME).

Yamaha: 4 models (Nice! You do notice that Yamaha get's LOTS of love...I think SSS is used in damn near every KTM test to remind KTM that they're still "not there, yet"...

Husky: 5 models

KTM: -8- Models (The FE's get their own tests, don't they?)
And lets not forget that the AER forks are way better than the 4CS. Put the 2016 FE or European 2016 bikes against the other bikes and we could have a KTM sweep in most of the shootouts.

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newmann 12/10/2015 3:00pm
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Remember when KTM was ALWAYS at the bottom of MXA tests? Guess who was paying attention? Meanwhile, back in Japan...

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kiwifan 12/10/2015 3:17pm
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kiwifan wrote:
Yeah all non-KTM branded riders should not read MXA, I get ya and I agree...I don't even bother going to their website these days, god knows...
Yeah all non-KTM branded riders should not read MXA, I get ya and I agree...I don't even bother going to their website these days, god knows what they are going to do when the new Suzuki and Honda 450's hit the floors next year....I pick them going the Suzuki way

Personally most of the KTM revival is due to the 2 stroke fraternity getting their rocks off, now that Yamahas still make and are making more two strokes then that's why they are deemed as making an effort.

To say the other manufactures aren't making any effort is really a load of bullshit, they clearly do not see the market for 15 different models and yet they still make their money even though their bikes are cheaper than KTM's. But I guess KTM riders need to pay more because KTM deserve it right?
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Oh just stop it. We know you hate KTM so your opinion is kind of invalid when it comes to this topic.
yeah sure call it hate if you like, I call it an opinion

I guess your hatred of the Jap manufacturers doesn't count eh?
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lostboy819 wrote:
People use to say the same thing about Honda and then Yamaha and now its KTM . A few years from now you will be saying...
People use to say the same thing about Honda and then Yamaha and now its KTM . A few years from now you will be saying the same thing about what ever Brand is doing really well, but I dont think it will be Suzuki.Pinch Pinch Pinch
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jarvinator 12/10/2015 3:22pm
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I just love the MXA test on this years SUZ450 in the shootout. I'm curious if the SUZ loyalists think its a fair assessment?
That said, can't wait to see their new 450 next year.
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kiwifan 12/10/2015 3:23pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
KTM has -6- Motocross models (Not including the 4, soon to be 5, youth models). You can call it -8- if you want to treat the...
KTM has -6- Motocross models (Not including the 4, soon to be 5, youth models). You can call it -8- if you want to treat the Factory Editions as a different bike...I know how some of you with 15.5 FE's are feelin'...

KTM redesigns and develops new models virtually TWICE as fast as Japan...considerably faster if you want to talk Taliban...uh, I mean Two Strokes.

Did I mention those "Mid-Year" Factory Editions? Those are kinda nice, too. So that's DOUBLE the "Bike Test" opportunities for KTM ...since no-one-else has seen fit to compete with them on this front.

And...KTM gives MXA plenty of test bikes and seems to let them keep more than a few of them for long "term use"; therfore, the staff at MX really "get's to know" the Orange bikes.

So...you know who's fault it is that you see soooo much Orange at MXA?

It's EVERY-OTHER BRAND'S fault.

Honda, Suzuki and Kawasaki: 2 models each (LAME).

Yamaha: 4 models (Nice! You do notice that Yamaha get's LOTS of love...I think SSS is used in damn near every KTM test to remind KTM that they're still "not there, yet"...

Husky: 5 models

KTM: -8- Models (The FE's get their own tests, don't they?)
Trust you to get all factual !!! lol

Look I don't disagree with your comments at all (except Kawasaki makes a KX85 and Honda a CRF150) but it doesn't mean that MXA should treat the other manufacturers any differently, aren't they meant to have an unbiased view?
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IceMan446 12/10/2015 3:28pm
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MXA be unbiased???

Please
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TeamGreen 12/10/2015 3:29pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
KTM has -6- Motocross models (Not including the 4, soon to be 5, youth models). You can call it -8- if you want to treat the...
KTM has -6- Motocross models (Not including the 4, soon to be 5, youth models). You can call it -8- if you want to treat the Factory Editions as a different bike...I know how some of you with 15.5 FE's are feelin'...

KTM redesigns and develops new models virtually TWICE as fast as Japan...considerably faster if you want to talk Taliban...uh, I mean Two Strokes.

Did I mention those "Mid-Year" Factory Editions? Those are kinda nice, too. So that's DOUBLE the "Bike Test" opportunities for KTM ...since no-one-else has seen fit to compete with them on this front.

And...KTM gives MXA plenty of test bikes and seems to let them keep more than a few of them for long "term use"; therfore, the staff at MX really "get's to know" the Orange bikes.

So...you know who's fault it is that you see soooo much Orange at MXA?

It's EVERY-OTHER BRAND'S fault.

Honda, Suzuki and Kawasaki: 2 models each (LAME).

Yamaha: 4 models (Nice! You do notice that Yamaha get's LOTS of love...I think SSS is used in damn near every KTM test to remind KTM that they're still "not there, yet"...

Husky: 5 models

KTM: -8- Models (The FE's get their own tests, don't they?)
kiwifan wrote:
Trust you to get all factual !!! lol Look I don't disagree with your comments at all (except Kawasaki makes a KX85 and Honda a CRF150)...
Trust you to get all factual !!! lol

Look I don't disagree with your comments at all (except Kawasaki makes a KX85 and Honda a CRF150) but it doesn't mean that MXA should treat the other manufacturers any differently, aren't they meant to have an unbiased view?
I broke it down between Full-Size and youth models. If you include Youth Models...KTM ASSASSINATES the rest.

Psssst...looks like "TeamGreen" might actually be goin' Green, again...

On a 222 pound fully-equipped Green '16 PC-FoFiddy...(Absolutley NO Monster Branding!)

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kiwifan wrote:
Kawasaki's were the flavour of the month for MXA for quite a few years....I am very surprised the KXF450 didn't do well in their 2016 shootout...
Kawasaki's were the flavour of the month for MXA for quite a few years....I am very surprised the KXF450 didn't do well in their 2016 shootout, its frigging awesome!!!! But then again I am not surprised, they hate Honda and Suzuki and now frown on Kawasaki's
Is the MXA 16 450 shootout out? I have not seen it? What were the results?
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Maybe it is because KTM keeps changing the bikes? Making improvements and upgrades worth talking about? It seems the big 4 just change one or two small things a year. KTM rolls out big changes most of the time.

Other magazines have a connection with other bikes and race series. It does not see you can point blame on them without pointing at the industry as a whole.
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Motofinne 12/10/2015 3:37pm
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kiwifan wrote:
Yeah all non-KTM branded riders should not read MXA, I get ya and I agree...I don't even bother going to their website these days, god knows...
Yeah all non-KTM branded riders should not read MXA, I get ya and I agree...I don't even bother going to their website these days, god knows what they are going to do when the new Suzuki and Honda 450's hit the floors next year....I pick them going the Suzuki way

Personally most of the KTM revival is due to the 2 stroke fraternity getting their rocks off, now that Yamahas still make and are making more two strokes then that's why they are deemed as making an effort.

To say the other manufactures aren't making any effort is really a load of bullshit, they clearly do not see the market for 15 different models and yet they still make their money even though their bikes are cheaper than KTM's. But I guess KTM riders need to pay more because KTM deserve it right?
Motofinne wrote:
Oh just stop it. We know you hate KTM so your opinion is kind of invalid when it comes to this topic.
kiwifan wrote:
yeah sure call it hate if you like, I call it an opinion

I guess your hatred of the Jap manufacturers doesn't count eh?
My hatered against Japanese bikes? Well i have owned one crf 150 , two kxf 250 and i have at this moment an RM250 in the garage. But yeah, i hate them!!!
RailinRuts450 12/10/2015 3:59pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
KTM has -6- Motocross models (Not including the 4, soon to be 5, youth models). You can call it -8- if you want to treat the...
KTM has -6- Motocross models (Not including the 4, soon to be 5, youth models). You can call it -8- if you want to treat the Factory Editions as a different bike...I know how some of you with 15.5 FE's are feelin'...

KTM redesigns and develops new models virtually TWICE as fast as Japan...considerably faster if you want to talk Taliban...uh, I mean Two Strokes.

Did I mention those "Mid-Year" Factory Editions? Those are kinda nice, too. So that's DOUBLE the "Bike Test" opportunities for KTM ...since no-one-else has seen fit to compete with them on this front.

And...KTM gives MXA plenty of test bikes and seems to let them keep more than a few of them for long "term use"; therfore, the staff at MX really "get's to know" the Orange bikes.

So...you know who's fault it is that you see soooo much Orange at MXA?

It's EVERY-OTHER BRAND'S fault.

Honda, Suzuki and Kawasaki: 2 models each (LAME).

Yamaha: 4 models (Nice! You do notice that Yamaha get's LOTS of love...I think SSS is used in damn near every KTM test to remind KTM that they're still "not there, yet"...

Husky: 5 models

KTM: -8- Models (The FE's get their own tests, don't they?)
This.
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