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Edited Date/Time 12/4/2015 9:41am
What's harder motocross or cycling?

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All the literature I've read is that max hr depends on the individual and not the sport.

However, inexperience in one sport or another may make it difficult to meet max HR.

I think if you got used to running 30 minute time trials, you would see the see the same HRs as you would doing 30 min motos
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12/2/2015 7:12pm Edited Date/Time 12/2/2015 7:13pm
I'm no exercise physiologist, but I do know there's a lot more to the equation than just heart rates
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Does anoyne else find road cycling useless for moto fitness, I cycle alot because I love cycling , and it got me very fit for cycling , but I find it more anaerobic. the only time I'll run out of breath is sprinting. My legs will go before I am ever out of breath. When doing time trials . But when I jog or swim I can get a great aerobic work out in way less time .I d love to know wat kind of work out .on a bicycle works for mx . Because I tried them all ,eg , hill climbing, low gear fast spin only , Tabata spinning , lactic threshold training etc , and they have all worked great for getting me really fit for cycling . But then go on my mx bike and still run out of breath. I go running for 30 min s a few nights a wk , and never get out of breath on the mx bike. I love to change to just cycling tho because my knees are shot , any suggestions
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brimx153 wrote:
Does anoyne else find road cycling useless for moto fitness, I cycle alot because I love cycling , and it got me very fit for cycling...
Does anoyne else find road cycling useless for moto fitness, I cycle alot because I love cycling , and it got me very fit for cycling , but I find it more anaerobic. the only time I'll run out of breath is sprinting. My legs will go before I am ever out of breath. When doing time trials . But when I jog or swim I can get a great aerobic work out in way less time .I d love to know wat kind of work out .on a bicycle works for mx . Because I tried them all ,eg , hill climbing, low gear fast spin only , Tabata spinning , lactic threshold training etc , and they have all worked great for getting me really fit for cycling . But then go on my mx bike and still run out of breath. I go running for 30 min s a few nights a wk , and never get out of breath on the mx bike. I love to change to just cycling tho because my knees are shot , any suggestions
You ever check out AC or Anderson's insta or snaps?

Aldon would highly disagree with you

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12/2/2015 8:24pm
brimx153 wrote:
Does anoyne else find road cycling useless for moto fitness, I cycle alot because I love cycling , and it got me very fit for cycling...
Does anoyne else find road cycling useless for moto fitness, I cycle alot because I love cycling , and it got me very fit for cycling , but I find it more anaerobic. the only time I'll run out of breath is sprinting. My legs will go before I am ever out of breath. When doing time trials . But when I jog or swim I can get a great aerobic work out in way less time .I d love to know wat kind of work out .on a bicycle works for mx . Because I tried them all ,eg , hill climbing, low gear fast spin only , Tabata spinning , lactic threshold training etc , and they have all worked great for getting me really fit for cycling . But then go on my mx bike and still run out of breath. I go running for 30 min s a few nights a wk , and never get out of breath on the mx bike. I love to change to just cycling tho because my knees are shot , any suggestions
Bri,

I've tried a bunch of stuff over the past few years. As I'm getting older I need to workout harder at home/gym to maintain my endurance and wind.

I used to cycle, run, jog and swim. If you do them as LISS, you're only going to get those results out of it in my experiences.

I found that HIIT training, even for 20-30 minutes a day works wonders for short sprints as well as something like a 3 hour woods race... Endurance.

HIIT training works three energy sources for your body and the results and carry over to sprint and endurance.

If you're going to cycle try something like hill climb as fast as you possibly can and try to maintain HR and intensity for 5 minutes. Then take 30 seconds to a minute and then sprint again.

I personally love things like Insanity Max30. I've gained way more from 30 intense interval minutes than hours of steady state.
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GarySemics wrote:
What's harder motocross or cycling?

https://youtu.be/67hEYQ-lIW8
Dear Gary...I doubt you will ever see your HR as high when cycling as in MX do to adrenaline. You can probably test this out by trying some knarkly mountain biking and you may see some differences to validate this notion.

Adrenaline is the difference. For me, MX is always a good 10-15 BPM higher than any other strenuous aerobic activity.

Should I make a DVD now?

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12/2/2015 8:32pm Edited Date/Time 12/2/2015 8:34pm
Aldons guys look sickly.

99% of high school athlete kids are in far better shape and far healthier.
For free.
12/2/2015 8:38pm
I can agree with that. Nice vid Gary. I didn't think you were 61 already. You look great, keep it up. We love your riding insight.
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At the isle of man TT , Richard Britton s. hr was 220 sitting on the line getting ready to start. He was 40 at the time
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12/2/2015 8:50pm Edited Date/Time 12/2/2015 8:52pm
brimx153 wrote:
At the isle of man TT , Richard Britton s. hr was 220 sitting on the line getting ready to start. He was 40 at the...
At the isle of man TT , Richard Britton s. hr was 220 sitting on the line getting ready to start. He was 40 at the time
HR monitors are notoriously inconsistent at times which can cause huge spike variances which aren't normal. Occasionally the strap needs to be put in the washer to dislodge the sweet buildup which causes this abnormal spikes.

It's doubtful his HR was beating that fast at the time. But again, adrenaline on the starting line will always make the heart beat faster, but 220 is not likely. He also could have had some interference from someone else's monitor, but probably not the case, however, it does happen.

My HR monitor also spikes randomly to crazy levels like this, but it's not reality. Do a search on cleaning your HR strap.
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12/2/2015 8:53pm Edited Date/Time 12/2/2015 8:56pm
Rich Piano wrote:
Aldons guys look sickly.

99% of high school athlete kids are in far better shape and far healthier.
For free.
You've got to be fucking kidding me

I say that as a former high school athlete that was on the varsity team in three different sports (XC skiing, swimming, and track and field).
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brimx153 wrote:
Does anoyne else find road cycling useless for moto fitness, I cycle alot because I love cycling , and it got me very fit for cycling...
Does anoyne else find road cycling useless for moto fitness, I cycle alot because I love cycling , and it got me very fit for cycling , but I find it more anaerobic. the only time I'll run out of breath is sprinting. My legs will go before I am ever out of breath. When doing time trials . But when I jog or swim I can get a great aerobic work out in way less time .I d love to know wat kind of work out .on a bicycle works for mx . Because I tried them all ,eg , hill climbing, low gear fast spin only , Tabata spinning , lactic threshold training etc , and they have all worked great for getting me really fit for cycling . But then go on my mx bike and still run out of breath. I go running for 30 min s a few nights a wk , and never get out of breath on the mx bike. I love to change to just cycling tho because my knees are shot , any suggestions
Bri, I've tried a bunch of stuff over the past few years. As I'm getting older I need to workout harder at home/gym to maintain my...
Bri,

I've tried a bunch of stuff over the past few years. As I'm getting older I need to workout harder at home/gym to maintain my endurance and wind.

I used to cycle, run, jog and swim. If you do them as LISS, you're only going to get those results out of it in my experiences.

I found that HIIT training, even for 20-30 minutes a day works wonders for short sprints as well as something like a 3 hour woods race... Endurance.

HIIT training works three energy sources for your body and the results and carry over to sprint and endurance.

If you're going to cycle try something like hill climb as fast as you possibly can and try to maintain HR and intensity for 5 minutes. Then take 30 seconds to a minute and then sprint again.

I personally love things like Insanity Max30. I've gained way more from 30 intense interval minutes than hours of steady state.
yea i ve done and still do HIIT (tabata) training .and i am very fit at cycing . i come from a rugby backgound .which is very sprint ,stop ,sprit, stop .and that type of fittness has always come easy to me an more anaerobic type of fitness . but i feel Motocross is more aerobic . and for me anyway , jogging or HIIT running alway s got me fitter for motocross . cycling deff works for most of the pro s .was just kind of wondering if anyone else didnt find it good for mx ,and needed to run or swim or row instead .
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brimx153 wrote:
At the isle of man TT , Richard Britton s. hr was 220 sitting on the line getting ready to start. He was 40 at the...
At the isle of man TT , Richard Britton s. hr was 220 sitting on the line getting ready to start. He was 40 at the time
keith101 wrote:
HR monitors are notoriously inconsistent at times which can cause huge spike variances which aren't normal. Occasionally the strap needs to be put in the washer...
HR monitors are notoriously inconsistent at times which can cause huge spike variances which aren't normal. Occasionally the strap needs to be put in the washer to dislodge the sweet buildup which causes this abnormal spikes.

It's doubtful his HR was beating that fast at the time. But again, adrenaline on the starting line will always make the heart beat faster, but 220 is not likely. He also could have had some interference from someone else's monitor, but probably not the case, however, it does happen.

My HR monitor also spikes randomly to crazy levels like this, but it's not reality. Do a search on cleaning your HR strap.
i am just saying what was shown on the tv at the time ,it was a feature about it ,they did his whole lap .his heart rate went down after he started but stayed at something mad like 185 to 190 for the race . it seemed mad to me too . i guess he is about to go 200 mph down bray hill .
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keith101 wrote:
HR monitors are notoriously inconsistent at times which can cause huge spike variances which aren't normal. Occasionally the strap needs to be put in the washer...
HR monitors are notoriously inconsistent at times which can cause huge spike variances which aren't normal. Occasionally the strap needs to be put in the washer to dislodge the sweet buildup which causes this abnormal spikes.

It's doubtful his HR was beating that fast at the time. But again, adrenaline on the starting line will always make the heart beat faster, but 220 is not likely. He also could have had some interference from someone else's monitor, but probably not the case, however, it does happen.

My HR monitor also spikes randomly to crazy levels like this, but it's not reality. Do a search on cleaning your HR strap.
I cycle quite a bit and have never had that issue.

I wash my chest strap like the instructions said to.

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keith101 wrote:
HR monitors are notoriously inconsistent at times which can cause huge spike variances which aren't normal. Occasionally the strap needs to be put in the washer...
HR monitors are notoriously inconsistent at times which can cause huge spike variances which aren't normal. Occasionally the strap needs to be put in the washer to dislodge the sweet buildup which causes this abnormal spikes.

It's doubtful his HR was beating that fast at the time. But again, adrenaline on the starting line will always make the heart beat faster, but 220 is not likely. He also could have had some interference from someone else's monitor, but probably not the case, however, it does happen.

My HR monitor also spikes randomly to crazy levels like this, but it's not reality. Do a search on cleaning your HR strap.
IceMan446 wrote:
I cycle quite a bit and have never had that issue.

I wash my chest strap like the instructions said to.

Great!.....as long as you realize you are validating why you wash your strap.
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keith101 wrote:
Great!.....as long as you realize you are validating why you wash your strap.
i guess I should have added the fact that I have gone into the 220's on multiple rides up mount tam.

Sustained not spikes like you said are unlikely.
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keith101 wrote:
Great!.....as long as you realize you are validating why you wash your strap.
IceMan446 wrote:
i guess I should have added the fact that I have gone into the 220's on multiple rides up mount tam. Sustained not spikes like you...
i guess I should have added the fact that I have gone into the 220's on multiple rides up mount tam.

Sustained not spikes like you said are unlikely.
I'm sorry then...Let me be more clear. YOU'RE HIGH!...Let me also say that your device must be made in China as it's defective...

Here's some simple reading for you, Lance.

http://heartzones.com/blog/2009/03/14/racing-at-98-of-maximum-heart-rat…

12/2/2015 10:45pm
I've seen a couple above 200's during a few woods races. On my mtb I've only hit 190 once or twice. On my roadbike I've seen just under 200 on some hill intervals, but I thought I was gonna die. Sad
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12/2/2015 10:54pm Edited Date/Time 12/2/2015 10:56pm
Rich Piano wrote:
Aldons guys look sickly.

99% of high school athlete kids are in far better shape and far healthier.
For free.
zehn wrote:
You've got to be fucking kidding me I say that as a former high school athlete that was on the varsity team in three different sports...
You've got to be fucking kidding me

I say that as a former high school athlete that was on the varsity team in three different sports (XC skiing, swimming, and track and field).
You lost me at swimming and track and field.

Maybe you should have listened to AC on pulp on how malnurished he was to miss a whole season.

It wasn't pretty. And basically he said himself he was sick and so low iron in his blood it was almost non existent. it wasnt a good thing.

You gotta fuckin eat, and that kid looked like he was having flashbacks of ethiopia.
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12/2/2015 11:48pm Edited Date/Time 12/2/2015 11:48pm
Rich Piano wrote:
You lost me at swimming and track and field. Maybe you should have listened to AC on pulp on how malnurished he was to miss a...
You lost me at swimming and track and field.

Maybe you should have listened to AC on pulp on how malnurished he was to miss a whole season.

It wasn't pretty. And basically he said himself he was sick and so low iron in his blood it was almost non existent. it wasnt a good thing.

You gotta fuckin eat, and that kid looked like he was having flashbacks of ethiopia.
Which season did he miss because he was malnourished, not because he was recovering from jacked up shoulders?
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Dear Gary,
Please try racing an elite cyclocross race . This may change your mind
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it's about keeping you heart rate 'low' at high intensity in the first place (for endurance sports) and then being able to keep it at this pace for the amount of time needed. no moto guy wants to max out on their heart rate during a race. that's why they train. that doesn't mean it won't happen at some point tho.

12/3/2015 2:48am
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Dear Gary...I doubt you will ever see your HR as high when cycling as in MX do to adrenaline. You can probably test this out by...
Dear Gary...I doubt you will ever see your HR as high when cycling as in MX do to adrenaline. You can probably test this out by trying some knarkly mountain biking and you may see some differences to validate this notion.

Adrenaline is the difference. For me, MX is always a good 10-15 BPM higher than any other strenuous aerobic activity.

Should I make a DVD now?

No because you can't spell to save your life and you don't know the difference between aerobic and anaerobic training.

Buy a book on the subject and then read it.
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I've read all the comments so far. Sure it's different for everyone. Not only is everyone's body make up different but also the frequencies, durations and intensities that they cycle and moto. Then there's is their skill level at moto...the higher your skill level the harder it become aerobically. Cycling with the correct frequencies, durations and intensities coupled with your motocross practice and racing is a great combination for pro riders. If your not at that moto skill level it's more important to work on your riding techniques in order to get the speed and control, then improving fitness becomes more important.

When you're riding moto well you should be able to maintain a high HR for the entire moto without going over your lactic threshold. With the right conditions this is easy to maintain while cycling. I think that's why it works so well and being easy on any impact to the joints it's great for motocrossers.

Just my 2 cents, that's what I have found to work for most riders.
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You lost me at swimming and track and field. Maybe you should have listened to AC on pulp on how malnurished he was to miss a...
You lost me at swimming and track and field.

Maybe you should have listened to AC on pulp on how malnurished he was to miss a whole season.

It wasn't pretty. And basically he said himself he was sick and so low iron in his blood it was almost non existent. it wasnt a good thing.

You gotta fuckin eat, and that kid looked like he was having flashbacks of ethiopia.
early wrote:
Which season did he miss because he was malnourished, not because he was recovering from jacked up shoulders?
Listen to the pulp show he was on.
What 2014 maybe? I dont remember, but it came right out of his own mouth. Hard to argue that.
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GarySemics wrote:
I've read all the comments so far. Sure it's different for everyone. Not only is everyone's body make up different but also the frequencies, durations and...
I've read all the comments so far. Sure it's different for everyone. Not only is everyone's body make up different but also the frequencies, durations and intensities that they cycle and moto. Then there's is their skill level at moto...the higher your skill level the harder it become aerobically. Cycling with the correct frequencies, durations and intensities coupled with your motocross practice and racing is a great combination for pro riders. If your not at that moto skill level it's more important to work on your riding techniques in order to get the speed and control, then improving fitness becomes more important.

When you're riding moto well you should be able to maintain a high HR for the entire moto without going over your lactic threshold. With the right conditions this is easy to maintain while cycling. I think that's why it works so well and being easy on any impact to the joints it's great for motocrossers.

Just my 2 cents, that's what I have found to work for most riders.
Gary, with all do respect, it's adrenaline, to answer your question from your original post on this topic.

"a hormone secreted by the adrenal glands, especially in conditions of stress, increasing rates of blood circulation, breathing, and carbohydrate metabolism and preparing muscles for exertion."

Cheers!
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I've reached the same HR on motocross, enduro, road cycling and mtb. All depends on what type of training you're doing. I mostly go for 60-70% when I ride my road bike but it's not that hard to push it if you want to. Different type of training for different type of use.Period.
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Rich Piano wrote:
Listen to the pulp show he was on. What 2014 maybe? I dont remember, but it came right out of his own mouth. Hard to argue...
Listen to the pulp show he was on.
What 2014 maybe? I dont remember, but it came right out of his own mouth. Hard to argue that.
Your memory is foggy. His rookie season when he got food poisoning is what you're referencing but, again, I think your memory is foggy on the details. But judging by your comment about High School athletes being in better shape and health than Aldon Baker's clients (i.e. Ryan Dungey) I think something else might be going on here other than just a foggy memory of a podcast.
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Rich Piano wrote:
Listen to the pulp show he was on. What 2014 maybe? I dont remember, but it came right out of his own mouth. Hard to argue...
Listen to the pulp show he was on.
What 2014 maybe? I dont remember, but it came right out of his own mouth. Hard to argue that.
731chopper wrote:
Your memory is foggy. His rookie season when he got food poisoning is what you're referencing but, again, I think your memory is foggy on the...
Your memory is foggy. His rookie season when he got food poisoning is what you're referencing but, again, I think your memory is foggy on the details. But judging by your comment about High School athletes being in better shape and health than Aldon Baker's clients (i.e. Ryan Dungey) I think something else might be going on here other than just a foggy memory of a podcast.
Yep, Adam had salmonella poisoning right before he turned pro, put him way behind where he should have been. I pray he keeps it together this year! I am a huge fan!
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I could get my heart rate higher [and for longer] on a bicycle than my motocross bike any day of the week. Overall strength and skill are limiting factors on a MX bike.

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