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51xc 10/26/2015 3:34am
10/26/2015 3:34am
btw dani pedrosa won!

great guy and really hope he can be in the title hunt for next year. unbelievable he has no gp title yet. he absolutely deserves one.
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shuggs 10/26/2015 3:34am
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CeeTee wrote:
Because Rossi should have been DQ'd, thats why, same thing happened to JL in 2005.
It doesn't matter about the past, there was NO reason for JL to be anywhere near this. One of the reasons (IMO) why he will not be a great of the sport.
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Crush 10/26/2015 3:38am
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51xc wrote:
btw dani pedrosa won! great guy and really hope he can be in the title hunt for next year. unbelievable he has no gp title yet...
btw dani pedrosa won!

great guy and really hope he can be in the title hunt for next year. unbelievable he has no gp title yet. he absolutely deserves one.
Will never happen. Kid's a headcase.
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CeeTee 10/26/2015 3:39am
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CeeTee wrote:
Because Rossi should have been DQ'd, thats why, same thing happened to JL in 2005.
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It doesn't matter about the past, there was NO reason for JL to be anywhere near this. One of the reasons (IMO) why he will not...
It doesn't matter about the past, there was NO reason for JL to be anywhere near this. One of the reasons (IMO) why he will not be a great of the sport.
So one rule for one and different rules for others? JL is trying to win a championship, of course hes going to add fuel to the fire, Rossi would have done the same.

Rossi is hands down the biggest reason why huge crowds turn up to the races, this shouldnt give him special privileges.

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Langston_fan 10/26/2015 3:49am
10/26/2015 3:49am
Lorenzo was not at Race directors office yelling his lungs out after the race. He said as much in the press conference when he was asked that very question. But...he didn't need to be there cause he used the opportunity of the press conference to express his views on the incident, i.e. it was a clear and intentional take out move, and that the penalty was hence not severe enough. Dani was far more diplomatic in his opinions, and gave great insight into the problematic 'grey' areas of the rule book. Sadly silence is often interpreted as guilt. Where was the PR advisor to Rossi?? He should have made him go to the press conference.

To me this whole situation stinks of the same BS that goes on in the Tour de France when riders, teams, and the public are outraged when a given rider or team breaks one of the etiquette rules (rules not found in the rule book). A good example is you cannot attack the yellow jersey when he has a mechanical problem...something some Italian rider did to Froom when he had a puncture this last tour. And Froom let everyone know what he thought about it.

In motocross and motogp, I feel, there has always been this etiquette rule that as the championship draws to a close, and especially if its tight, you don't race the title contenders. Who remembers 2006 when Dani, by mistake, took out Hayden with a race to go, giving Rossi a shot at the title at Chester, Valencia (I went to that race..just because of what happened)? Dani got lambasted by the public...Honda was a bit unapologetic about it, maintaining that they never give team orders. Still the general consensus in the paddock was that he shouldn't have been racing his teammate.

It is clear MM has some score to settle with Rossi, it has gotten personal, and he seems determined to mess with Rossi. The fact that Lorenzo is a benefactor is irrelevant to MM in my opinion. How does the expression go? "My enemy's enemy is my friend". It is this general context, coupled with the close proximity racing (some of those MM passes leading up to the incident were very scary), that the race direction/FIM have failed to take into consideration. MM had nothing to lose, Rossi had the championship to lose, of course this influences how they ride. Why didn't they take this into consideration?? Probably cause there isn't a rule for it in the book. What a disappointing way to end the championship.

The wise thing wouldve been to wait behind Rossi, if he was waiting for his tyres to warm up, and then make the clean pass if he was quicker. MMs riding showed total disregard for the general context.

I will also say when I went to Chester 2006, I was surprised to see how much more support Rossi had than any of the Spanish/Catalan riders. Im half tempted to book an easyjet flight and go to the final round...the camp grounds alone was reason enough to be there...the Spanish fans go crazy in the camping grounds of motogps...
cleareforlanding 10/26/2015 4:10am
10/26/2015 4:10am
I'm a motogp fan more than I am any certain rider. I raced an RC51 back in the day and watching what these guys do on those works of art is amazing! I feel like like I am pretty unbiased towards any rider....that being said, as I was watching it live I came off of the couch yelling "he kicked his front brake lever" and got asked to quiet down before I wake the baby, and that was before they even started showing the replays. Best replay angle in my opinion was the inboard angle from Marq bike and they only showed it once???
I love "rubbing is racing" and will put plastic on guys at this age....if Marq simply went down turning back into Rossi, it should just be a racing incident and no penalties. Someone is gonna crash racing that hard. But it sure appeared that the foot went back and made contact, and if that did, it's over the line in my opinion.
Just like I said in my previous post....Marq learned the hard way, just like Canard learned in supercross with Rossi's buddy Reedy, mess with the old guys and they go past hard racing and it gets dirty quickly! Rossi and Reedy train and ride together at times right...same bag of tricks lol.
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VRR7 10/26/2015 4:14am
10/26/2015 4:14am
Corner before where is MM looking - Dangerous high speed version of the next corner - Race Direction ? WTF ? Who pays them ?



Andy_Greenney 10/26/2015 4:35am
10/26/2015 4:35am
Rossi put himself in a position that was unnecessary when you are fighting for a title. You can't control what other riders are doing on the track, only yourself. Play silly games, win silly prizes.
cleareforlanding 10/26/2015 4:35am
10/26/2015 4:35am
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Corner before where is MM looking - Dangerous high speed version of the next corner - Race Direction ? WTF ? Who pays them ? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/10/26/109009/s1200_mm.jpg[/img]
Corner before where is MM looking - Dangerous high speed version of the next corner - Race Direction ? WTF ? Who pays them ?



that previous corner seemed a little different to me......Marq foot never left his rearset and made contact with Rossi's bars. Laughing
cleareforlanding 10/26/2015 4:39am
10/26/2015 4:39am
VRR7 wrote:
Corner before where is MM looking - Dangerous high speed version of the next corner - Race Direction ? WTF ? Who pays them ? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/10/26/109009/s1200_mm.jpg[/img]
Corner before where is MM looking - Dangerous high speed version of the next corner - Race Direction ? WTF ? Who pays them ?



that previous corner seemed a little different to me......Marq foot never left his rearset and made contact with Rossi's bars. Laughing
cleareforlanding 10/26/2015 4:45am
10/26/2015 4:45am


the marketing gurus have already started working on the new pitch to break into the street bike world....."keep his feet off your brake levers with the new and improved....."

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kongols 10/26/2015 6:56am
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We Are Going Viral !
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Oct 26, 2015 — Thank you everybody. Change.org have informed us that they are going to translate the petition into other languages to help cope with the flow of signatures and reach more people.
we are officially going viral !
Well done and Thank You to all of you who are standing up for A Clean Championship !!!
If you have trouble with the system please be patient. stay with us.
We are shining through and the honour of the sport needs and wants the support of each and every one of you !
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Camp332 10/26/2015 7:21am
10/26/2015 7:21am
Did MM head-butt Vale? Or did I see that wrong?
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seth505 10/26/2015 7:23am
10/26/2015 7:23am
Take a look at the bike setup (bars) and tell me if you really think Rossi could have kicked his brake lever in that situation that fast/precise like MM blabbed about.

Black Diesel Bomber 10/26/2015 9:12am
10/26/2015 9:12am
cleareforlanding wrote:
I'm a motogp fan more than I am any certain rider. I raced an RC51 back in the day and watching what these guys do on...
I'm a motogp fan more than I am any certain rider. I raced an RC51 back in the day and watching what these guys do on those works of art is amazing! I feel like like I am pretty unbiased towards any rider....that being said, as I was watching it live I came off of the couch yelling "he kicked his front brake lever" and got asked to quiet down before I wake the baby, and that was before they even started showing the replays. Best replay angle in my opinion was the inboard angle from Marq bike and they only showed it once???
I love "rubbing is racing" and will put plastic on guys at this age....if Marq simply went down turning back into Rossi, it should just be a racing incident and no penalties. Someone is gonna crash racing that hard. But it sure appeared that the foot went back and made contact, and if that did, it's over the line in my opinion.
Just like I said in my previous post....Marq learned the hard way, just like Canard learned in supercross with Rossi's buddy Reedy, mess with the old guys and they go past hard racing and it gets dirty quickly! Rossi and Reedy train and ride together at times right...same bag of tricks lol.
Rossi did not kick Marquez, the video has been posted hundreds of times but Dorna is very aggressive about having the videos taken down because they show the "truth". Rossi's leg did not move until Marquez slammed into his leg and compressed it into his bike. Marquez was already going down at this point when Rossi's leg came off, you cannot kick a MotoGP bike down, lol. Here's the video again, watch it before it gets taken down again. It's been reposted after the last video link had 63K views in a few hours, and Dorna took it down:



And although it will do nothing, that petition that someone started yesterday attracted 200K signatures on a Sunday, and it continues to grow.

https://www.change.org/p/motogp-race-director-mike-webb-remove-the-pena…
cleareforlanding 10/26/2015 9:14am
10/26/2015 9:14am
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Take a look at the bike setup (bars) and tell me if you really think Rossi could have kicked his brake lever in that situation that...
Take a look at the bike setup (bars) and tell me if you really think Rossi could have kicked his brake lever in that situation that fast/precise like MM blabbed about.

I know they run the slider setup at the end of the bars to protect thing in a crash......but it is pretty coincidental that the front tucked so hard and quick, at such a slow speed when that leg came off the rear set. I mean the tire has no lean angle on it, no load from speed...and just tucks that fast......hmmmmmm
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kongols 10/26/2015 9:41am
10/26/2015 9:41am Edited Date/Time 10/26/2015 9:42am
cleareforlanding wrote:
I know they run the slider setup at the end of the bars to protect thing in a crash......but it is pretty coincidental that the front...
I know they run the slider setup at the end of the bars to protect thing in a crash......but it is pretty coincidental that the front tucked so hard and quick, at such a slow speed when that leg came off the rear set. I mean the tire has no lean angle on it, no load from speed...and just tucks that fast......hmmmmmm
In this case only explanation is that Marques slammed on a brakes when he realized he fucked up by accelerating in to Rossi.
Andy_Greenney 10/26/2015 9:48am
10/26/2015 9:48am
Rossi is the last person I expected to make this kind of mistake under pressure. Marquez had no reason to let Rossi have the position without a fight.

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Pakoyz250f 10/26/2015 10:33am
10/26/2015 10:33am
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What I saw in the video above, was VR took him a bit wide, maybe a bit of brake checking. I also watched as MM turned...
What I saw in the video above, was VR took him a bit wide, maybe a bit of brake checking. I also watched as MM turned it in, stood it up when he realized Rossi was done playing games, and MM then turns it back into Rossi, when he had plenty of opportunity to stay clear from any contact.

The kid fucked with Papa bear, and got his ass bit. No matter what the outcome of the championship, Rossi will leave a much greater legacy from his career than Marquez can ever hope to.
Totally right!!
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tns 10/26/2015 11:06am
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No, he said MM was purposely holding off Rossi after he let Lorenzo by. MM was racing dirty running in on Rossi at least three times...
No, he said MM was purposely holding off Rossi after he let Lorenzo by. MM was racing dirty running in on Rossi at least three times. Rossi checked up all those times.
why did Rossi let Lorenzo by,if he was fast enough MM93 wouldn't be able to hold him up.Lets face it Rossi is struggling for pace and MM is messing with him and got in his head making him do something stupid.Also MM couldn't turn the bike and Rossi kept losing the front if the race had continued MM would of cleared of leaving Rossi behind the overtaken Jorge just like the last time all you fan boys saying he is doing it to help jorge are idiots,he would of let him win in oz if that was the case.
Pakoyz250f 10/26/2015 11:07am
10/26/2015 11:07am
It is clear that Vale took the line, made him go wide but never touched until Marc leaned on VR bike, then Rossi moved his leg in order to took marc's head out. Yeah it was agressive but not dirty, as in Motocross or any motorsport you have to check out if you are behind,or else you are either crashing in cars or falling on motorcycles so clearly it was race incident it is racing not soccer where you penalize contact. If Rossi did not check out the times Marquez did the same the crash would have been a lot worse!!!
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kongols 10/26/2015 11:19am
10/26/2015 11:19am Edited Date/Time 10/26/2015 11:24am
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why did Rossi let Lorenzo by,if he was fast enough MM93 wouldn't be able to hold him up.Lets face it Rossi is struggling for pace and...
why did Rossi let Lorenzo by,if he was fast enough MM93 wouldn't be able to hold him up.Lets face it Rossi is struggling for pace and MM is messing with him and got in his head making him do something stupid.Also MM couldn't turn the bike and Rossi kept losing the front if the race had continued MM would of cleared of leaving Rossi behind the overtaken Jorge just like the last time all you fan boys saying he is doing it to help jorge are idiots,he would of let him win in oz if that was the case.
Lorenzo was ahead of Rossi from the start. Marques was ahead of Lorenzo and then Marques let Lorenzo by and started to mess with Rossi. Rossi was on Lorenzo`s rear wheel before that.
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slipdog 10/26/2015 11:27am
10/26/2015 11:27am
Camp332 wrote:
Did MM head-butt Vale? Or did I see that wrong?
I saw that too bro, he couldn't even skull crush a Pabst Blue with that weak ass noggin.





overthebars39 10/26/2015 11:33am
10/26/2015 11:33am
kongols wrote:
No, he said MM was purposely holding off Rossi after he let Lorenzo by. MM was racing dirty running in on Rossi at least three times...
No, he said MM was purposely holding off Rossi after he let Lorenzo by. MM was racing dirty running in on Rossi at least three times. Rossi checked up all those times.
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why did Rossi let Lorenzo by,if he was fast enough MM93 wouldn't be able to hold him up.Lets face it Rossi is struggling for pace and...
why did Rossi let Lorenzo by,if he was fast enough MM93 wouldn't be able to hold him up.Lets face it Rossi is struggling for pace and MM is messing with him and got in his head making him do something stupid.Also MM couldn't turn the bike and Rossi kept losing the front if the race had continued MM would of cleared of leaving Rossi behind the overtaken Jorge just like the last time all you fan boys saying he is doing it to help jorge are idiots,he would of let him win in oz if that was the case.
So because MM diddn't gave away his GP win it's poof he's not helping Lorenzo? Are you fucking kidding me? Even Innanone agree'd that MM is playing games with the guys behind Lorenzo, go watch the press conference. VR did a shitty move by brake checking MM and running him wide, the kicking is a he says/she says thing but his initial response to MM (blocking/running him wide) was not very sportsmanlike. Even for that he deserved the penalty. But you can't look past the game those Spanjards are playing either.
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Camp332 10/26/2015 11:55am
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Camp332 wrote:
Did MM head-butt Vale? Or did I see that wrong?
slipdog wrote:
I saw that too bro, he couldn't even skull crush a Pabst Blue with that weak ass noggin. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/10/26/109044/s1200_Skull_crush.jpg[/img]
I saw that too bro, he couldn't even skull crush a Pabst Blue with that weak ass noggin.





That's what I'm sayin Bro! Don't come at him with that weak ass cranium butt, or else you will catch the wrath of a Dainese in the face!
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TailSoHard 10/26/2015 12:33pm
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Motofinne wrote:
Rossi is threatening to not race in Valencia!
http://www.supersport.com/Motorsport/motogp/news/151026/Rossi_may_pull_…
kongols wrote:
I see him retiring after this season.
Unfortunately, I think he's going to retire too...

The shitty part is that once Rossi retires, so do a very large portion of MotoGP viewers...

With the way professional sports are run these days it wouldn't surprise me if 6-7 years down the road some new bullshit test or evidence will come out about Rossi and fuckin Dorna will strip him of his championship(s) to drum up some more drama, sub-sequentially increasing their viewership base. Just like UCI/USADA did to Lance Armstrong. Once Lance left, so did all the people that followed cycling because of him. So, what did they do to get viewership back up?
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Berni 10/26/2015 1:01pm
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Anybody that thinks Marquez would want to help Lorenzo even a little bit is crazy. They're enemies while Rossi is Marc's childhood hero!!!! Maybe Vale knows...
Anybody that thinks Marquez would want to help Lorenzo even a little bit is crazy. They're enemies while Rossi is Marc's childhood hero!!!!

Maybe Vale knows this and expected Marc to move over?

I'm a Rossi fan and always have disliked Marquez.

But I'm catalan like Marc and anyone that thinks that there is an spanish plot against Rossi is plain wrong. Here either you are a Lorenzo fan or Marc's. Its kind of a Biaggi/Rossi from back in the day. No good relationship at all!

Rossi is letting the pressure get to him, plain and simple. Sush a shame to end a career like this...
CeeTee wrote:
Finally someone that gets it, if you've ever been to Spain, you know that the country is divided between the 2 Spaniards. .
Spain is divided in Spain, that's it, it is just loudy propaganda. And just you to know, I do not have a problem at all with cataluña going away if it is what people there really whant, but until today they have not shown it is their desire to leave.

Sorry but I had to say it. Now we can continue with the discussion
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VET176 10/26/2015 1:04pm
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We Are Going Viral ! Nicholas Davis Virginia Water, United Kingdom Oct 26, 2015 — Thank you everybody. Change.org have informed us that they are going...
We Are Going Viral !
Nicholas Davis
Virginia Water, United Kingdom
Oct 26, 2015 — Thank you everybody. Change.org have informed us that they are going to translate the petition into other languages to help cope with the flow of signatures and reach more people.
we are officially going viral !
Well done and Thank You to all of you who are standing up for A Clean Championship !!!
If you have trouble with the system please be patient. stay with us.
We are shining through and the honour of the sport needs and wants the support of each and every one of you !
but but but....Kiwifan reckons it's a waste of time. Blink


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