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9/19/2015 6:05pm Edited Date/Time 9/19/2015 6:06pm
I'm surprised some of the European fans are acting like the GP racers aren't giving their all at the USGP. I'm sure the same will be said if GP riders win tomorrow? Febvre doesn't want to show Tony he would've won even if Tony was there the entire time, right? Nobody wants to impress the U.S. teams?

And the US does have an advantage for MXDN due to the size of our population but it is countered by the the fact most MXDN races are held on GP tracks in Europe in GP format a week after the GP series, and GP riders only race MX. For US riders it is unfamiliar tracks, unfamiliar format, unfamiliar racers, etc... over a month after their series. It also means our riders get a shorter offseason, and some of our top riders are not doing it because of that. And today you saw how much of a difference knowing the tracks makes. So it's not like the GP riders don't have an advantage most MXDNs too.
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hillbilly wrote:
I bet all the shaved pit hoes are distracting the euro riders.
Imagine if they saw the shaved clam?
9/19/2015 6:28pm
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and probably is having the most fun taking the piss out of Tyla Rattray for South Africa losing last night,
Haha yea major upset!
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I have a question, there have been 2 US riders to win a GP this year. I would imagine 2 has been done before between Tallon, Trampas, Donny Schmitt, and Bobby Moore all overlapping their time in Europe, or possibly earlier when a USGP was a regular thing. But have 3 US riders ever won in the same year?

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Weather forecast says 101 tomorrow for temp high!!
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That's very hot for most Europeans
yak651 wrote:
That's very hot for most americans! that's African hot...
That should be just ok for Townley.
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9/19/2015 6:58pm Edited Date/Time 9/19/2015 7:01pm
RandyS,I think 1980, Moates,Tripes, Omara. Carlsbad,Unadilla, and Mid Ohio. ???????????
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9/19/2015 7:06pm
RandyS wrote:
I have a question, there have been 2 US riders to win a GP this year. I would imagine 2 has been done before between Tallon...
I have a question, there have been 2 US riders to win a GP this year. I would imagine 2 has been done before between Tallon, Trampas, Donny Schmitt, and Bobby Moore all overlapping their time in Europe, or possibly earlier when a USGP was a regular thing. But have 3 US riders ever won in the same year?
1991 125 MX Championship

Donny Schmidt won 3,Italy,France,Holland

Bob Moore won 1 Great Britain

Mike Kiedrowski won 1 Japan

is that what you mean,if we get a US winner tomorrow other than Covington?
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hillbilly wrote:
I bet all the shaved pit hoes are distracting the euro riders.
JMR1976 wrote:
Imagine if they saw the shaved clam?
Idk what I would do if I saw a clam that wasn't shaved!!!!
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RandyS wrote:
I have a question, there have been 2 US riders to win a GP this year. I would imagine 2 has been done before between Tallon...
I have a question, there have been 2 US riders to win a GP this year. I would imagine 2 has been done before between Tallon, Trampas, Donny Schmitt, and Bobby Moore all overlapping their time in Europe, or possibly earlier when a USGP was a regular thing. But have 3 US riders ever won in the same year?
1990 500 Liles,250 Parker in Switzerland and Stanton in USA

1991 250 Parker Switzerland/Italy Healy San Marino,Stanton USA/Japan
9/19/2015 7:27pm
RandyS wrote:
I have a question, there have been 2 US riders to win a GP this year. I would imagine 2 has been done before between Tallon...
I have a question, there have been 2 US riders to win a GP this year. I would imagine 2 has been done before between Tallon, Trampas, Donny Schmitt, and Bobby Moore all overlapping their time in Europe, or possibly earlier when a USGP was a regular thing. But have 3 US riders ever won in the same year?
it could as well be 4 riders. Nelson in the 250 could make it happen, or even McElrath.
Pretty cool!
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Tomorrow is going to be fun. Can't wait.
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9/19/2015 8:55pm
Going to be fun for sure. Sad to see Rattray retire. Hopefully Josh Grant gets something lined out. But just seeing a bunch of GP guys out there racing some of the AMA guys is just cool in itself. Going to be a great race no matter who wins.
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SlowMoFo wrote:
I don't understand people whosay a race doesnt mean anything. They all line up at the gate and tried to finish first, a race is a...
I don't understand people whosay a race doesnt mean anything. They all line up at the gate and tried to finish first, a race is a race.
You don't understand because it doesn't make any sense. It's called a qualifying race, but apparently the word race means something different to the GP's. It's just a 20 minute "session" where you go ride around with your racing buddies, and then make the excuse that you weren't going all out to save energy for the next race. That's what I heard all season long..........

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9/19/2015 9:25pm
So when do they post the qualifying highlight videos?

I just got home and was hoping they would be up, not until tomorrow?
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9/19/2015 10:26pm
Despite the title, this is actually the MX2 Highlights

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Thanks DJ, yeah the title of the video was a bit deceptive but you found it....

Hopefully the 450 highlights will be posted soon.
9/20/2015 1:45am
Man i hope Grant does well today. I wanna see him continue racing. Of course as european i root for GP guys but at the same time i want to see american guys do well. Race is gonna be epic today!
9/20/2015 1:56am
moto282 wrote:
I'm surprised some of the European fans are acting like the GP racers aren't giving their all at the USGP. I'm sure the same will be...
I'm surprised some of the European fans are acting like the GP racers aren't giving their all at the USGP. I'm sure the same will be said if GP riders win tomorrow? Febvre doesn't want to show Tony he would've won even if Tony was there the entire time, right? Nobody wants to impress the U.S. teams?

And the US does have an advantage for MXDN due to the size of our population but it is countered by the the fact most MXDN races are held on GP tracks in Europe in GP format a week after the GP series, and GP riders only race MX. For US riders it is unfamiliar tracks, unfamiliar format, unfamiliar racers, etc... over a month after their series. It also means our riders get a shorter offseason, and some of our top riders are not doing it because of that. And today you saw how much of a difference knowing the tracks makes. So it's not like the GP riders don't have an advantage most MXDNs too.
I take your point in that it is harder for the AMA riders to come over and adapt for a single event like the MXDN or a full season, as with RV this year before the injury. That's the only point many of us have ever argued really - that the top riders are roughly equal the world over but change (and timing) is hard to do deal with and can be critical at this level, and Iv'e no doubt that this does put the AMA riders on the back foot for a race like the Des Nations.

However, as true as that is; it is still a more desirable alternative than having the total lack of options the smaller countries face every year - not just some years - but every year. Italy usually consists of one really good rider (Cairoli) and that's it... in other words no matter what AC does they need a miracle to win. Some countries can produce various combinations of good and fairly decent riders but are mostly hamstrung by at least one poor performer. Very few can field 3 factory superstars. And even for the few (really, France and Belgium) where that's sometimes possible; they are still hugely reliant on no one getting injured.
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karsmakers wrote:
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has...
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has never lost a Des Nations at home. To the GP supporters that say your riders are faster because they win in Europe....that is a bit much. I believe both series are equally fast and faster on their home tracks....is that fair to say? Can we end all the bullshit know with mutual respect?
RG1 wrote:
I think you're being a bit optimistic there.
karsmakers wrote:
I hoped a few euros might agree with me but the "mutual respect" was a bit optimisticLaughing

I fully agree on the first post. Villo at Budds Creek was a good example, as much as the average performance of ama top guns like Dungey or Baggett at the MXdN was showing much less domination. That can lead to this type of analysis, although each rider may outperform or underperform some week ends depending on the starts, track style & conditions:
"a top 5-8 ama guy on his home soil can run with the mxgp leaders, and vice versa".

I would like to add it in little at the bottom of my posts, to advertise the no drama theory Cheerful
How is it possible to do that ?



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9/20/2015 2:03am
It's a qualifying race, that pays no points, I'm not a fan of it, but it is how it is, the guys will know before they even get there how hard they will try, just because on some tracks, first gate pick is huge, on others anywhere in the top 10 is good enough. It's all about doing just enough, and getting dialled for the races, ask RV about it, GP weekends are hard, but you have to have enough in the tank to do 2 days... And make sure you get to day 2 with a decent chance.
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9/20/2015 2:06am
moto282 wrote:
I'm surprised some of the European fans are acting like the GP racers aren't giving their all at the USGP. I'm sure the same will be...
I'm surprised some of the European fans are acting like the GP racers aren't giving their all at the USGP. I'm sure the same will be said if GP riders win tomorrow? Febvre doesn't want to show Tony he would've won even if Tony was there the entire time, right? Nobody wants to impress the U.S. teams?

And the US does have an advantage for MXDN due to the size of our population but it is countered by the the fact most MXDN races are held on GP tracks in Europe in GP format a week after the GP series, and GP riders only race MX. For US riders it is unfamiliar tracks, unfamiliar format, unfamiliar racers, etc... over a month after their series. It also means our riders get a shorter offseason, and some of our top riders are not doing it because of that. And today you saw how much of a difference knowing the tracks makes. So it's not like the GP riders don't have an advantage most MXDNs too.
Uhmmmm for your information, most of them take it easy on the saturday. So, you haven´t been following the GP´s, or you still have lots to learn.
9/20/2015 4:23am
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I disagree. If it does not matter to you, you stay home. I get that the MXGP champ has already been crown. I get that there...
I disagree. If it does not matter to you, you stay home. I get that the MXGP champ has already been crown. I get that there are contractual obligation and all that, but I like to believe that these guys are sportsmen and competitors at heart. They show up to race. They show up to win.
I believe you're a bit naive
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I believe you have no idea what you're talking about. If you honestly don't believe that Febvre wants to beat the Americans on their home soil...
I believe you have no idea what you're talking about. If you honestly don't believe that Febvre wants to beat the Americans on their home soil, then you're a bit naive
but Febvre wont be taking too much risk here , he wants to win the MXON with France ...at the moment that must be his focus as he is already a champ
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I believe you're a bit naive
agn5009 wrote:
I believe you have no idea what you're talking about. If you honestly don't believe that Febvre wants to beat the Americans on their home soil...
I believe you have no idea what you're talking about. If you honestly don't believe that Febvre wants to beat the Americans on their home soil, then you're a bit naive
but Febvre wont be taking too much risk here , he wants to win the MXON with France ...at the moment that must be his focus...
but Febvre wont be taking too much risk here , he wants to win the MXON with France ...at the moment that must be his focus as he is already a champ
Can we use that excuse if Webb does poorly? Come on man racers race...
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agn5009 wrote:
I believe you have no idea what you're talking about. If you honestly don't believe that Febvre wants to beat the Americans on their home soil...
I believe you have no idea what you're talking about. If you honestly don't believe that Febvre wants to beat the Americans on their home soil, then you're a bit naive
but Febvre wont be taking too much risk here , he wants to win the MXON with France ...at the moment that must be his focus...
but Febvre wont be taking too much risk here , he wants to win the MXON with France ...at the moment that must be his focus as he is already a champ
DonM wrote:
Can we use that excuse if Webb does poorly? Come on man racers race...
This^
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but Febvre wont be taking too much risk here , he wants to win the MXON with France ...at the moment that must be his focus...
but Febvre wont be taking too much risk here , he wants to win the MXON with France ...at the moment that must be his focus as he is already a champ
DonM wrote:
Can we use that excuse if Webb does poorly? Come on man racers race...
bobby397 wrote:
This^
This x2
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9/20/2015 6:22am
DonM wrote:
Can we use that excuse if Webb does poorly? Come on man racers race...
bobby397 wrote:
This^
sende wrote:
This x2
I don't think Cooper works that way...
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9/20/2015 6:27am
DonM wrote:
Can we use that excuse if Webb does poorly? Come on man racers race...
There's no way Febvre wants to get beat by Webb this weekend, and vice versa
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9/20/2015 6:28am
RandyS wrote:
I have a question, there have been 2 US riders to win a GP this year. I would imagine 2 has been done before between Tallon...
I have a question, there have been 2 US riders to win a GP this year. I would imagine 2 has been done before between Tallon, Trampas, Donny Schmitt, and Bobby Moore all overlapping their time in Europe, or possibly earlier when a USGP was a regular thing. But have 3 US riders ever won in the same year?
5 in 1982.

Mike Guerra-Spanish 500 GP

Lackey-Multiple 500 GP,s

LaPorte-Multiple 250 GP,s

Donnie Hansen-Switzerland 250 GP

Magoo-Carlsbad 500 GP
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9/20/2015 6:29am Edited Date/Time 9/20/2015 6:30am
but Febvre wont be taking too much risk here , he wants to win the MXON with France ...at the moment that must be his focus...
but Febvre wont be taking too much risk here , he wants to win the MXON with France ...at the moment that must be his focus as he is already a champ
DonM wrote:
Can we use that excuse if Webb does poorly? Come on man racers race...
bobby397 wrote:
This^
That is also one of my fears, when I see Febvre or Webb, they are not calculated riders. For instance this year Febvre had a few crashes whereas he was leading the championship by more than 50 points...

Riders like Dungey and Cairoli are a ton above on this topic. They know how to accept to lose a position if it gets sketchy or if they do not need it, and that is why they are 90 to 99% of the time healthy and scoring big points. That is how many riders could not beat them, RV, Reed, Canard, Desalle, Nagl, Frossard, Paulin, etc.

I know there is not better training than racing at 100% but that race craft is an asset when you want to win championships multiple times. That is the goal of both so I hope their teams will teach them to make a long & successful career.
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DonM wrote:
Can we use that excuse if Webb does poorly? Come on man racers race...
RG1 wrote:
There's no way Febvre wants to get beat by Webb this weekend, and vice versa
Exactly...the race within a race...both looking for the mental edge going into next weekend.

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