Is JG33 retiring?

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Edited Date/Time 9/11/2015 6:19pm
I noticed that when discussing possible teams for 2016, he was no where,not even on the unsigned list,just wondering if there is any reason why. My source by the way is Transworld Motocross's "the buzz" article
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9/10/2015 8:49am
Will Hahn tweeted yesterday (I think) a pic of him and Grant at Pala under a Team Kawasaki awning, saying it was great to be back on a team with Josh Grant again. Sounds like Team Kawie will be Tomac/Grant/Hahn for 2016.

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9/10/2015 8:49am Edited Date/Time 9/10/2015 8:51am
Well hopefully the last few years with Reed and JGR he was able to rebuild his bank account after his mother took all of his money. Probably didn't get enough to retire on, but at least enough to get him by until he finds some kind of job. Of course I'm not writing him off as to getting some kind of ride for 2016. Anyone know how old he is?
Edit: just saw the above post after I hit send. Good for josh if he still has that Kawi ride. I would love to see him just have one injury free season.
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downard254 wrote:
Well hopefully the last few years with Reed and JGR he was able to rebuild his bank account after his mother took all of his money...
Well hopefully the last few years with Reed and JGR he was able to rebuild his bank account after his mother took all of his money. Probably didn't get enough to retire on, but at least enough to get him by until he finds some kind of job. Of course I'm not writing him off as to getting some kind of ride for 2016. Anyone know how old he is?
Edit: just saw the above post after I hit send. Good for josh if he still has that Kawi ride. I would love to see him just have one injury free season.
I'm still shocked abut that. What kind of a parent does that to their own kid?

Whatever Josh does for the rest of his life , I'd cut that woman out of it.
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9/10/2015 8:52am Edited Date/Time 9/10/2015 9:14am
Hope he is at factory kawi,hope it works well,should be a good fit.

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9/10/2015 9:16am Edited Date/Time 9/10/2015 9:17am
downard254 wrote:
Well hopefully the last few years with Reed and JGR he was able to rebuild his bank account after his mother took all of his money...
Well hopefully the last few years with Reed and JGR he was able to rebuild his bank account after his mother took all of his money. Probably didn't get enough to retire on, but at least enough to get him by until he finds some kind of job. Of course I'm not writing him off as to getting some kind of ride for 2016. Anyone know how old he is?
Edit: just saw the above post after I hit send. Good for josh if he still has that Kawi ride. I would love to see him just have one injury free season.
jeffro503 wrote:
I'm still shocked abut that. What kind of a parent does that to their own kid? Whatever Josh does for the rest of his life...
I'm still shocked abut that. What kind of a parent does that to their own kid?

Whatever Josh does for the rest of his life , I'd cut that woman out of it.
Hell, that happens in the entertainment business on a pretty common basis. Parents act as managers for their kids, who trust them to do the right thing with the money they earn as young actors/artists...and then when they get the big break, and hire a new manager, they get the revelation that their jacked up parents have been robbing them hand over fist the whole time. Must totally suck to realize the one person that you should be able to trust more than anybody is stealing your money behind your back.

Yeah, I'm with you. I'd kick good ol' mom to the freaking curb!
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9/10/2015 9:42am
JG is one of my favourites, happy to see him stay amongst the top 10 in the Nationals.

Hopefully he can continue to run in the top 10 come SX.

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downard254 wrote:
Well hopefully the last few years with Reed and JGR he was able to rebuild his bank account after his mother took all of his money...
Well hopefully the last few years with Reed and JGR he was able to rebuild his bank account after his mother took all of his money. Probably didn't get enough to retire on, but at least enough to get him by until he finds some kind of job. Of course I'm not writing him off as to getting some kind of ride for 2016. Anyone know how old he is?
Edit: just saw the above post after I hit send. Good for josh if he still has that Kawi ride. I would love to see him just have one injury free season.
jeffro503 wrote:
I'm still shocked abut that. What kind of a parent does that to their own kid? Whatever Josh does for the rest of his life...
I'm still shocked abut that. What kind of a parent does that to their own kid?

Whatever Josh does for the rest of his life , I'd cut that woman out of it.
davistld01 wrote:
Hell, that happens in the entertainment business on a pretty common basis. Parents act as managers for their kids, who trust them to do the right...
Hell, that happens in the entertainment business on a pretty common basis. Parents act as managers for their kids, who trust them to do the right thing with the money they earn as young actors/artists...and then when they get the big break, and hire a new manager, they get the revelation that their jacked up parents have been robbing them hand over fist the whole time. Must totally suck to realize the one person that you should be able to trust more than anybody is stealing your money behind your back.

Yeah, I'm with you. I'd kick good ol' mom to the freaking curb!
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9/10/2015 9:52am
Is it a fersur that hes on Kawi next year? I thought it was only through the usgp?

I'd like to see him put in a good performance at the usgp as an audition for a ride in Europe. He should be making money in Europe this winter also, hitting as many sx's as he can.
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Josh Grant is one of the owners of HLTN clothing. I'm sure he's made back some of that money he lost.
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9/10/2015 9:58am
Josh Grant is 29 yrs old.

He turned pro in 2004.
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CP279 wrote:
Josh Grant is one of the owners of HLTN clothing. I'm sure he's made back some of that money he lost.
Percentage-wise...probably not much. I have no real idea how much JG earned up until his Mom was caught red-handed...but I doubt seriously that his cut of a tiny clothing line like HLTN would add up to the same, or even close to it. But, who knows? I really hope the best for Josh. Seems like he's grown up a TON in the last few years, and deserves the break.
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9/10/2015 10:00am
I sure hope he is the 3rd rider at Kawi....if he stays healthy he has the chance to be a podium guy from time to time outdoors and grab some heat race wins indoors. I hope between the past few years salaries and HTLN he is able to have a secure future again.
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9/10/2015 10:21am
downard254 wrote:
Well hopefully the last few years with Reed and JGR he was able to rebuild his bank account after his mother took all of his money...
Well hopefully the last few years with Reed and JGR he was able to rebuild his bank account after his mother took all of his money. Probably didn't get enough to retire on, but at least enough to get him by until he finds some kind of job. Of course I'm not writing him off as to getting some kind of ride for 2016. Anyone know how old he is?
Edit: just saw the above post after I hit send. Good for josh if he still has that Kawi ride. I would love to see him just have one injury free season.
jeffro503 wrote:
I'm still shocked abut that. What kind of a parent does that to their own kid? Whatever Josh does for the rest of his life...
I'm still shocked abut that. What kind of a parent does that to their own kid?

Whatever Josh does for the rest of his life , I'd cut that woman out of it.
davistld01 wrote:
Hell, that happens in the entertainment business on a pretty common basis. Parents act as managers for their kids, who trust them to do the right...
Hell, that happens in the entertainment business on a pretty common basis. Parents act as managers for their kids, who trust them to do the right thing with the money they earn as young actors/artists...and then when they get the big break, and hire a new manager, they get the revelation that their jacked up parents have been robbing them hand over fist the whole time. Must totally suck to realize the one person that you should be able to trust more than anybody is stealing your money behind your back.

Yeah, I'm with you. I'd kick good ol' mom to the freaking curb!
Yeah, star QB Bernie Kosar's old man was making deals that Bernie didn't even know about... It happens...

At one point in the film Kosar, who was obviously emotional throughout his interview, said he knew almost from the beginning that his father was siphoning money. While the elder Kosar had used some of Bernie's money to pay for things like mortgages and car payments, it later came out that he also had a side deal with the Cleveland Browns worth $1 million.

Nonetheless, he continued allowing his father to manage his finances. According to Bernie, the overarching reason for that decision was that he hoped beyond hope that the money could repair his childhood memories and the relationship with his father.

That yearning for a bond between family members does not exist just within athletes but is a worldwide psychological phenomenon. There are very few people reading this who would not do everything and anything to help out family members, particularly parents.
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9/10/2015 11:51am
All rumors of course, but I heard 6+ months ago this was his final year in sx/Mx anyways, and had planned on moving into off-road trucks next year.

Once I heard about 22 closing its doors, I thought it'd be a done deal now. If I had to guess, he'll still put his feelers out for a decent paying/ good bike motocross deal, if he can't find anything to his liking or worth his effort, he may head to 4 wheels.
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9/10/2015 1:25pm
When Josh turned pro in 2004, it was at the absolute height of huge paychecks for up and coming rookie riders.

Guys like Josh were signing huge $800k+ contracts right out of Loretta's, and with no pro experience.

I think it is safe to say he probably made way more for a few years from 04/05/06/07 than he did during the 11/12/13/14 era.

But then all changed (and not just for Josh, but the entire sport) around 2008 or so, and as the bottom fell out of the larger economy and dirt bike sales fell by 80% over a five year period.

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He was awesome on that No Fear Samsung Honda. Such a shame he never had the chance to reach his full potential due to injures. Would suck to see him walk away. Plenty of speed left in him.
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9/10/2015 1:51pm Edited Date/Time 9/10/2015 1:52pm
Also, when it comes to a second "B" rider on the team, Factory Kawasaki has a history of choosing some older, veteran riders and giving them second, third and fourth shots at a career.

Guys like Tim Ferry and Ezra Lusk come to mind (but there are more) . They both really took advantage of the opportunity and had some pretty surprising results.

If Josh does have a ride with them for next year, I hope it works out well for both of them!
9/10/2015 1:51pm Edited Date/Time 9/10/2015 8:56pm
bondsmx wrote:
All rumors of course, but I heard 6+ months ago this was his final year in sx/Mx anyways, and had planned on moving into off-road trucks...
All rumors of course, but I heard 6+ months ago this was his final year in sx/Mx anyways, and had planned on moving into off-road trucks next year.

Once I heard about 22 closing its doors, I thought it'd be a done deal now. If I had to guess, he'll still put his feelers out for a decent paying/ good bike motocross deal, if he can't find anything to his liking or worth his effort, he may head to 4 wheels.
If Kawasaki doesn't keep him after the USGP, you'll probably see him on a different color bike, part time for SX and full time in a truck. Not a rumor.... Cool

* It's got to be true, I read it on another forum... lol
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downard254 wrote:
Well hopefully the last few years with Reed and JGR he was able to rebuild his bank account after his mother took all of his money...
Well hopefully the last few years with Reed and JGR he was able to rebuild his bank account after his mother took all of his money. Probably didn't get enough to retire on, but at least enough to get him by until he finds some kind of job. Of course I'm not writing him off as to getting some kind of ride for 2016. Anyone know how old he is?
Edit: just saw the above post after I hit send. Good for josh if he still has that Kawi ride. I would love to see him just have one injury free season.
jeffro503 wrote:
I'm still shocked abut that. What kind of a parent does that to their own kid? Whatever Josh does for the rest of his life...
I'm still shocked abut that. What kind of a parent does that to their own kid?

Whatever Josh does for the rest of his life , I'd cut that woman out of it.
Yea.. Who does she think she is... Nice Izzi?
9/10/2015 3:28pm
bondsmx wrote:
All rumors of course, but I heard 6+ months ago this was his final year in sx/Mx anyways, and had planned on moving into off-road trucks...
All rumors of course, but I heard 6+ months ago this was his final year in sx/Mx anyways, and had planned on moving into off-road trucks next year.

Once I heard about 22 closing its doors, I thought it'd be a done deal now. If I had to guess, he'll still put his feelers out for a decent paying/ good bike motocross deal, if he can't find anything to his liking or worth his effort, he may head to 4 wheels.
Off road trucks ?! That's not cheap.
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9/10/2015 4:06pm Edited Date/Time 9/10/2015 4:06pm
mxnick wrote:
When Josh turned pro in 2004, it was at the absolute height of huge paychecks for up and coming rookie riders. Guys like Josh were signing...
When Josh turned pro in 2004, it was at the absolute height of huge paychecks for up and coming rookie riders.

Guys like Josh were signing huge $800k+ contracts right out of Loretta's, and with no pro experience.

I think it is safe to say he probably made way more for a few years from 04/05/06/07 than he did during the 11/12/13/14 era.

But then all changed (and not just for Josh, but the entire sport) around 2008 or so, and as the bottom fell out of the larger economy and dirt bike sales fell by 80% over a five year period.

Hmmm. Hopefully he saved some money.
9/10/2015 4:49pm
mxnick wrote:
When Josh turned pro in 2004, it was at the absolute height of huge paychecks for up and coming rookie riders. Guys like Josh were signing...
When Josh turned pro in 2004, it was at the absolute height of huge paychecks for up and coming rookie riders.

Guys like Josh were signing huge $800k+ contracts right out of Loretta's, and with no pro experience.

I think it is safe to say he probably made way more for a few years from 04/05/06/07 than he did during the 11/12/13/14 era.

But then all changed (and not just for Josh, but the entire sport) around 2008 or so, and as the bottom fell out of the larger economy and dirt bike sales fell by 80% over a five year period.

Not sure where you got your statistics from, but you are off a bit on your whole post.
9/10/2015 4:50pm
mxnick wrote:
When Josh turned pro in 2004, it was at the absolute height of huge paychecks for up and coming rookie riders. Guys like Josh were signing...
When Josh turned pro in 2004, it was at the absolute height of huge paychecks for up and coming rookie riders.

Guys like Josh were signing huge $800k+ contracts right out of Loretta's, and with no pro experience.

I think it is safe to say he probably made way more for a few years from 04/05/06/07 than he did during the 11/12/13/14 era.

But then all changed (and not just for Josh, but the entire sport) around 2008 or so, and as the bottom fell out of the larger economy and dirt bike sales fell by 80% over a five year period.

Very true..I can honestly say I saw Josh contract paperwork in his home office one day...it was between 2006 and 2008 I can't remember the exact year, but his base salary was 860,000 per year. Plus bonus money. Un fuggin believable!
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Sandberm wrote:
Is it a fersur that hes on Kawi next year? I thought it was only through the usgp? I'd like to see him put in a...
Is it a fersur that hes on Kawi next year? I thought it was only through the usgp?

I'd like to see him put in a good performance at the usgp as an audition for a ride in Europe. He should be making money in Europe this winter also, hitting as many sx's as he can.
He has options, but I think at this point he's waiting to see what materializes for next year.
9/10/2015 5:43pm
downard254 wrote:
Well hopefully the last few years with Reed and JGR he was able to rebuild his bank account after his mother took all of his money...
Well hopefully the last few years with Reed and JGR he was able to rebuild his bank account after his mother took all of his money. Probably didn't get enough to retire on, but at least enough to get him by until he finds some kind of job. Of course I'm not writing him off as to getting some kind of ride for 2016. Anyone know how old he is?
Edit: just saw the above post after I hit send. Good for josh if he still has that Kawi ride. I would love to see him just have one injury free season.
jeffro503 wrote:
I'm still shocked abut that. What kind of a parent does that to their own kid? Whatever Josh does for the rest of his life...
I'm still shocked abut that. What kind of a parent does that to their own kid?

Whatever Josh does for the rest of his life , I'd cut that woman out of it.
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Yea.. Who does she think she is... Nice Izzi?
This is going to be a good evening....
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9/10/2015 7:57pm
bondsmx wrote:
All rumors of course, but I heard 6+ months ago this was his final year in sx/Mx anyways, and had planned on moving into off-road trucks...
All rumors of course, but I heard 6+ months ago this was his final year in sx/Mx anyways, and had planned on moving into off-road trucks next year.

Once I heard about 22 closing its doors, I thought it'd be a done deal now. If I had to guess, he'll still put his feelers out for a decent paying/ good bike motocross deal, if he can't find anything to his liking or worth his effort, he may head to 4 wheels.
Langhammx wrote:
If Kawasaki doesn't keep him after the USGP, you'll probably see him on a different color bike, part time for SX and full time in a...
If Kawasaki doesn't keep him after the USGP, you'll probably see him on a different color bike, part time for SX and full time in a truck. Not a rumor.... Cool

* It's got to be true, I read it on another forum... lol
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I think you might wanna keep that to yourself.
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CP279 wrote:
Josh Grant is one of the owners of HLTN clothing. I'm sure he's made back some of that money he lost.
...I'd say that's assuming HLTN is or has turned a profit. And really, do you ever truly make back money that was lost? At any rate, I hope that he's in a better position to move forward down the road.
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9/10/2015 11:41pm
mxnick wrote:
When Josh turned pro in 2004, it was at the absolute height of huge paychecks for up and coming rookie riders. Guys like Josh were signing...
When Josh turned pro in 2004, it was at the absolute height of huge paychecks for up and coming rookie riders.

Guys like Josh were signing huge $800k+ contracts right out of Loretta's, and with no pro experience.

I think it is safe to say he probably made way more for a few years from 04/05/06/07 than he did during the 11/12/13/14 era.

But then all changed (and not just for Josh, but the entire sport) around 2008 or so, and as the bottom fell out of the larger economy and dirt bike sales fell by 80% over a five year period.

Langhammx wrote:
Not sure where you got your statistics from, but you are off a bit on your whole post.
Maybe, but as opposed to just saying I am off on my "whole post", feel free to contribute some facts (or assumptions) to your response.

I dont know for sure what Josh was being paid (nor is it my business) but I do know that several of those rookies from class of 04/05/06 (himself included) made very good base salaries, nearly $1mm per year.

As for what he made post recession and post injuries (and post family issues), I have no idea, but assumed, and perhaps incorrectly, that it was less than the rookie days. If I am wrong, and Two-Two / JGR paid seven figures, well good! Josh is a good guy and it was terrible what he and his family have collectively been through. He did not deserve to lose his life savings after taking the risks of being a professional racer. I sincerely hope he did claw it all back and is in good shape for whenever he decides to hang up his leathers.

As for my comment on off road vehicle statistics, there was nothing wrong about that. Sales dropped by a mind boggling ~80% between 2008 to 2012. This had a nearly instant effect on OEM budgets for racing, and I guestimate that nearly 15-20 or more paid rides in MX/SX were lost in that 2008-2012 period.

MIC numbers:
2006 off highway unit sales: 287,385
2011 off highway unit sales: 70,057

Feel free to provide a little stronger background to your comment as to why.

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