What is happening in RCH camp?

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MxKing809 7/22/2015 9:59am
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fidiot wrote:
I thought I heard that on the last Pulpmx show too. That seems like a red flag to me that something is wrong.
MT MX wrote:
Sorry, I didn't hear the PulpMX show. My apologies. I just remember seeing awhile back something on one of the websites of a picture of him...
Sorry, I didn't hear the PulpMX show. My apologies.
I just remember seeing awhile back something on one of the websites of a picture of him and his pops and the picture caption was something like 'Ken's dad is back in the program helping him train'.
fidiot wrote:
Yeh, I think his father started working with him again after he left Aldon, but now there is rumor of his father leaving. It might be...
Yeh, I think his father started working with him again after he left Aldon, but now there is rumor of his father leaving. It might be nothing, or it might be something. Who knows.
If his father is out again that's a MAJOR shake up. Kenny left Aldon in part to bring his dad back around..... so now Kenny has completely cut out/ seperated from everyone that he was affiliated with during his KTM success.
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Motofinne 7/22/2015 10:35am
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Frodad78 wrote:
You guys have seen the MX Nation Episode 3 right? Rocs talks about suspension issues and how he'll never part ways with his father again. [url=http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series]http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series[/url]
You guys have seen the MX Nation Episode 3 right?

Rocs talks about suspension issues and how he'll never part ways with his father again.

http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series
I will never trust 100% on what they say on these reality series but it is kind of funny when he left KTM because of bike issues, yet he won a title on the bike.
The Narrator 7/22/2015 10:37am
7/22/2015 10:37am
Frodad78 wrote:
You guys have seen the MX Nation Episode 3 right? Rocs talks about suspension issues and how he'll never part ways with his father again. [url=http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series]http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series[/url]
You guys have seen the MX Nation Episode 3 right?

Rocs talks about suspension issues and how he'll never part ways with his father again.

http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series
Motofinne wrote:
I will never trust 100% on what they say on these reality series but it is kind of funny when he left KTM because of bike...
I will never trust 100% on what they say on these reality series but it is kind of funny when he left KTM because of bike issues, yet he won a title on the bike.
you say you don't trust the reality series.. but believe he left KTM because of bikes issues...

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Motofinne 7/22/2015 10:40am
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Frodad78 wrote:
You guys have seen the MX Nation Episode 3 right? Rocs talks about suspension issues and how he'll never part ways with his father again. [url=http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series]http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series[/url]
You guys have seen the MX Nation Episode 3 right?

Rocs talks about suspension issues and how he'll never part ways with his father again.

http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series
Motofinne wrote:
I will never trust 100% on what they say on these reality series but it is kind of funny when he left KTM because of bike...
I will never trust 100% on what they say on these reality series but it is kind of funny when he left KTM because of bike issues, yet he won a title on the bike.
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you say you don't trust the reality series.. but believe he left KTM because of bikes issues...
Well thats a fact. He said in many interviews that he left KTM because he didn't like the bike. That has nothing to do with reality series.
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moto0852 7/22/2015 10:51am
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Motofinne wrote:
I will never trust 100% on what they say on these reality series but it is kind of funny when he left KTM because of bike...
I will never trust 100% on what they say on these reality series but it is kind of funny when he left KTM because of bike issues, yet he won a title on the bike.
The Narrator wrote:
you say you don't trust the reality series.. but believe he left KTM because of bikes issues...
Motofinne wrote:
Well thats a fact. He said in many interviews that he left KTM because he didn't like the bike. That has nothing to do with reality...
Well thats a fact. He said in many interviews that he left KTM because he didn't like the bike. That has nothing to do with reality series.
So...you selectively choose what to believe when Kenny talks? You are Vital gold!
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Motofinne 7/22/2015 10:55am
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The Narrator wrote:
you say you don't trust the reality series.. but believe he left KTM because of bikes issues...
Motofinne wrote:
Well thats a fact. He said in many interviews that he left KTM because he didn't like the bike. That has nothing to do with reality...
Well thats a fact. He said in many interviews that he left KTM because he didn't like the bike. That has nothing to do with reality series.
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So...you selectively choose what to believe when Kenny talks? You are Vital gold!
Well i rate Racer X, Pulp mx interviews way higher than a reality series. Am i wrong in doing that though?

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moto0852 7/22/2015 11:02am
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Well since Kenny said it himself you are calling him a liar so yes. I would say you are wrong in doing that.
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Motofinne 7/22/2015 11:10am
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Haha this is just too funny, when did i call Ken Roczen a liar? Have a nice day!
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moto0852 7/22/2015 11:21am
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If you say you don't believe the words that are coming out of his mouth, that's tantamount to calling him a liar
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Frodad78 wrote:
You guys have seen the MX Nation Episode 3 right? Rocs talks about suspension issues and how he'll never part ways with his father again. [url=http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series]http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series[/url]
You guys have seen the MX Nation Episode 3 right?

Rocs talks about suspension issues and how he'll never part ways with his father again.

http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series
These episodes needs to be longer. Smile
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Since I just sat through 4 pages and learned nothing new, Ford or Chevy ? 2 or 4 stroke ?
fidiot wrote:
Dodge

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At the level that the 450 guys are racing at, everything has to be 100% and mix in some luck.

Dungey has put himself in a great position. He put in the work pre season. Aldon has built up his confidence. From fitness and bike setup up to individual moto and season strategy he has things dialed like a formula. As long as they stick to it, the end result is the same.

Kenny on the other hand has changed Teams, Trainers, had injuries, likely receiving a bit of pressure from RCH who is so dependent on him being the #1 guy for sponsor obligations. They sold sponsors on having the champion. RC has been very blunt, on National TV even, about his expectations and frustrations with both Kenny and Broc.

That all being said. This is Kenny's first year on am entirely new team and trainer. He won his first race out. He has put in some solid rides considering the major jump be made. The team knows he will deliver it just takes time to put it all together.

That plus, he has a life outside of moto. Something for everyone to remember. All these riders that you idolize are in fact real people. They have all the same issues you and I have. Only there is a crowd of people seeing them not perform when they have personal issues. It sounds like Ken's world is collapsing a bit at the moment. Have some respect and don't sound he alarms just yet.
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Flatliner 7/23/2015 8:51pm
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tprice07 wrote:
At the level that the 450 guys are racing at, everything has to be 100% and mix in some luck. Dungey has put himself in a...
At the level that the 450 guys are racing at, everything has to be 100% and mix in some luck.

Dungey has put himself in a great position. He put in the work pre season. Aldon has built up his confidence. From fitness and bike setup up to individual moto and season strategy he has things dialed like a formula. As long as they stick to it, the end result is the same.

Kenny on the other hand has changed Teams, Trainers, had injuries, likely receiving a bit of pressure from RCH who is so dependent on him being the #1 guy for sponsor obligations. They sold sponsors on having the champion. RC has been very blunt, on National TV even, about his expectations and frustrations with both Kenny and Broc.

That all being said. This is Kenny's first year on am entirely new team and trainer. He won his first race out. He has put in some solid rides considering the major jump be made. The team knows he will deliver it just takes time to put it all together.

That plus, he has a life outside of moto. Something for everyone to remember. All these riders that you idolize are in fact real people. They have all the same issues you and I have. Only there is a crowd of people seeing them not perform when they have personal issues. It sounds like Ken's world is collapsing a bit at the moment. Have some respect and don't sound he alarms just yet.
In regards to your last paragraph only, teams and sponsors dont give a f*** about him having a life outside of moto. He's being paid a very handsome salary to produce results.

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BAMX 7/23/2015 9:12pm
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Frodad78 wrote:
You guys have seen the MX Nation Episode 3 right? Rocs talks about suspension issues and how he'll never part ways with his father again. [url=http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series]http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series[/url]
You guys have seen the MX Nation Episode 3 right?

Rocs talks about suspension issues and how he'll never part ways with his father again.

http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series
Motofinne wrote:
I will never trust 100% on what they say on these reality series but it is kind of funny when he left KTM because of bike...
I will never trust 100% on what they say on these reality series but it is kind of funny when he left KTM because of bike issues, yet he won a title on the bike.
Dad came back immediately after he left KTM. Roger D has never been a fan if mini Dad's turned into pro moto Dad's. Do the math
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jtiger12 7/24/2015 3:30am
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FIREfish148 wrote:
All I know is Dungey Is going to win this weekend by 30+ seconds and Bagget is going to go 3-2
Dammit guyb, we need a like button....
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"kenny is having suspension prolems" the only problem kenny is having is himself. you can over analize the bike till you are blue in the face. how can you get confortable on a setup if you are constenly changing shit. Just like his new trainer/ riding coach said. "stop being a pussy" ride the effing bike and be a fucking champion. i think thats one of the main reason he left aldon. He kept kenny honest and wouldnt put up with his bullshit

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DonM 7/24/2015 6:35am
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Kenny's new trainer came off as a complete idiot...
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DonM wrote:
Kenny's new trainer came off as a complete idiot...
maybe.... but he came in as a fresh set opf eyes and called it like he saw it. it takes some heuvos to tell, esentially your boss, to stop being a puss and ride the bike
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DonM wrote:
Kenny's new trainer came off as a complete idiot...
I'm sorry Don but I have to disagree with you here, respectfully, because you always post with integrity. Kenny needs someone to hold him accountable and to limit how many excuses he can come up with. The primary job description of any high level coach/ trainer is this: getting people to do what they don't want to do in order to achieve what they want to achieve. And I'm not sure his Dad has the requisite sport science education and experience to get and keep Kenny at the top level. And then you add in the fact that he is his Dad. That is a tough relationship to manage. I found it odd that they would go for a run together because physiology would dictate that for Kenny it would be a pedestrian pace while the Dad would have to be a machine to keep up with him. He ain't getting much out of that run, unless it was a prelude to a much higher level of work, then my mistake.

Having Clint join the team is a quiet way of saying the Dad is a little out of his depth here and they need someone else. Either way it does not look comfortable and I do think that Kenny is floundering some because of it. When RC raced James outdoors that bike was all over the place and he had to ride his bike pinned all the time to beat him. Set up be damned. I don't think there is any set up that would make any bike look good at the pace those two were going.
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MotoX85 7/24/2015 7:26am
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Frodad78 wrote:
You guys have seen the MX Nation Episode 3 right? Rocs talks about suspension issues and how he'll never part ways with his father again. [url=http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series]http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series[/url]
You guys have seen the MX Nation Episode 3 right?

Rocs talks about suspension issues and how he'll never part ways with his father again.

http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series
NVA57 wrote:
These episodes needs to be longer. Smile
I agree, I could watch this stuff all day long.
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I agree, I could watch this stuff all day long.
Same here, I'm going back trying to find as much stuff as I can, I've resorted to watching "Bubba's World" on youtube even... I love Troy's work, but I miss the full length movies "The Great Outdoors" and all, showcasing the whole series and focusing on a bunch of different riders.
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IceMan446 7/24/2015 7:50am
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moto0852 wrote:
So just to clarify. If the bike is fine, are you saying Kenny is lying when he says they are still trying to find the right...
So just to clarify. If the bike is fine, are you saying Kenny is lying when he says they are still trying to find the right settings for suspension?
No Kenny is not lying. But EVERY rider out there is working to find better settings. Remember Dungey saying the samething just a few weeks ago???

The Suzuki is more than capable of winning, so was the KTM.

But when you dont gel with the bike, it doesnt matter if its capable or not. He chose the Suzuki over the KTM and the bike is not to blame for his poor performance.

The kid is injured. Plain and simple.

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Frodad78 wrote:
You guys have seen the MX Nation Episode 3 right? Rocs talks about suspension issues and how he'll never part ways with his father again. [url=http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series]http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series[/url]
You guys have seen the MX Nation Episode 3 right?

Rocs talks about suspension issues and how he'll never part ways with his father again.

http://www.redbull.com/us/en/motorsports/offroad/video-series/1331731296536/mx-nation-video-series
But it also says tensions rise again with his father on the preview of the next episode. I'm loving the behind the scenes look of this series.
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DonM 7/24/2015 8:06am
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DonM wrote:
Kenny's new trainer came off as a complete idiot...
bents wrote:
I'm sorry Don but I have to disagree with you here, respectfully, because you always post with integrity. Kenny needs someone to hold him accountable and...
I'm sorry Don but I have to disagree with you here, respectfully, because you always post with integrity. Kenny needs someone to hold him accountable and to limit how many excuses he can come up with. The primary job description of any high level coach/ trainer is this: getting people to do what they don't want to do in order to achieve what they want to achieve. And I'm not sure his Dad has the requisite sport science education and experience to get and keep Kenny at the top level. And then you add in the fact that he is his Dad. That is a tough relationship to manage. I found it odd that they would go for a run together because physiology would dictate that for Kenny it would be a pedestrian pace while the Dad would have to be a machine to keep up with him. He ain't getting much out of that run, unless it was a prelude to a much higher level of work, then my mistake.

Having Clint join the team is a quiet way of saying the Dad is a little out of his depth here and they need someone else. Either way it does not look comfortable and I do think that Kenny is floundering some because of it. When RC raced James outdoors that bike was all over the place and he had to ride his bike pinned all the time to beat him. Set up be damned. I don't think there is any set up that would make any bike look good at the pace those two were going.
Thanks for the compliment! You may me right...For me I'm just not a fan of the rah rah style of motivation. I prefer the this is where we are, this is what we have to work on and this is the plan to get there...regardless it appears that the ship is rather rudderless and they seem to be just throwing mud on the wall to see what sticks!...
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jeffro503 7/24/2015 8:07am
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Uhhgg! I am so out of the loop! I hadn't even heard of this little MX nation mini series until just now.
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Hershey 7/24/2015 8:10am
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In regards to your last paragraph only, teams and sponsors dont give a f*** about him having a life outside of moto. He's being paid a...
In regards to your last paragraph only, teams and sponsors dont give a f*** about him having a life outside of moto. He's being paid a very handsome salary to produce results.

I would have to disagree with that statement!

If your team doesnt care about your life outside moto then they dont know what it takes to win. Every aspect of a riders life effects the performance of these top level guys, if a team doesnt care about the riders entire life then they wont win.
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Kenny has been critiqued more than any rider making the trip across the pond to race in the US series. If you listen to AC, he says Kenny is physical freak of nature, and we all know he isn't lacking in the confidence part of the game (which I believe is the reason Aldon is so successful, (Keep Calm, and Carry On)). I think it is quite obvious he hasn't been the same since his get off at Oakland. I suspect we will see the same Kenny at A1 2016 as we did at A1 2015.
Only problem I see is, what are we all going to sit around and circle jerk about?? I suspect we will find something...
Crisp BRAAAP! 7/24/2015 9:24am
7/24/2015 9:24am
The mystery of his mid-season outdoor slumps has not been solved.

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