Roczen's Suzuki Down on Power?

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Ashleymx 7/19/2015 7:23pm
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Who's seen the first two episodes of MXnation? There's something in this I reckon regarding the having fun part, long career/short career stuff. Also my take is and I've said all along injuries are part of it and I believe Aldon would have managed them better mentally and physically, lessened the impact on performance.

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DC323 7/19/2015 7:40pm
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MR. X wrote:
BRAKE WAS HITING THA TRIPOL ON HIS RMZ450
Everytime this pops up in the thread I read it verbatim and laugh my ass off.
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#991 7/19/2015 7:41pm
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bob567 wrote:
If he's having fun, making huge money and enjoying his personal life plowing trim who are we to bag on him? He's like what 21? Winning...
If he's having fun, making huge money and enjoying his personal life plowing trim who are we to bag on him? He's like what 21? Winning isnt everything in life. Baffles your mind right?
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Winners aren't happy unless their winning. FACT! Got a mate who won 2x 500cc GP Aussie titles. Beat Wayne Gardner both times. Always came across as...

Winners aren't happy unless their winning. FACT!

Got a mate who won 2x 500cc GP Aussie titles. Beat Wayne Gardner both times. Always came across as pretty mellow to me.
Raced MX with him a few yrs ago, he got 2nd in his first race. Spat the Dummy big time. I said "Nothing wrong with 2nd". He said. "2nd is the 1st looser". That's when I first got how he won those titles, until then I just couldn't see it.

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Maybe Ken is not what you call a winner. That's cool as long as he is happy in his own skin. He makes dump trucks of...
Maybe Ken is not what you call a winner. That's cool as long as he is happy in his own skin. He makes dump trucks of cash each month. He is in 2nd in the points. He does what he wants. Eats what he wants. Fucks what he wants. How bad is that life? Is yours better? Please. Let the 21yr/old live like he wants. It's his life. He owes nobody nothing. Whats your 21yr/old son done?


Seriously. I'm a K-Roc fan. And a Suzuki fan. I also agree with his philosophy on training. But. I stick with what I said. Champions/winners never like to lose. If they say they're OK with it, they're just delusional and maybe trying to convince themselves of that. Truth is, they aren't OK with anything less than 1st..
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MxKing809 7/19/2015 8:01pm
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Mit12 wrote:
Bike setup makes a difference and his suspension does not look like it is working well at all.
MxKing809 wrote:
Didn't you get the memo? Showa is way better than WP.......
Crush wrote:
Kenny's bike last year looked long legged, always high in the stroke and free moving... Don't know what it is but his bike looks dead this...
Kenny's bike last year looked long legged, always high in the stroke and free moving... Don't know what it is but his bike looks dead this year–he's said they're still working with the suspension a lot but he visibly looks different, almost like it's bound up low in the stroke... I wonder if The Man is shaking his head at hearing about suspension issues....
DeCoster said that Kenny was the type to find a setting and stick with it, opposed to Dungey who would fidget and change settings almost to a fault. Funny how that has changed and now Kenny seems to be constantly looking for a passable setting now.... and constantly fidgeting.

At RedBud during Qualifying Kenny was chasing Ryan, and Dungey pulled into the mechanic area ro talk to the WP tech. Kenny pulled in right behind him and stated talking to his people and having his bike tampered with as well..... then RD5 gets his shock clickers adjusted and begins to pull away, Kenny notices and slams his bike in gear, frantically let's the clutch out and hops right back in behind Dungey.

It was a very telling sequence to watch..... you could tell kenny's world revolved around RD5, while Kenny was a fly to Dungey. I think that's a microcosm of the issue. Ryan is inside of Kenny's head so bad that Ken should start charging him rent.

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akillerwombat 7/19/2015 8:12pm
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... he got passed on a downhill by Baggett, not sure how much a lack of power played into that.
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akillerwombat wrote:
... he got passed on a downhill by Baggett, not sure how much a lack of power played into that.
Hahahahaha…… EXACTLY!
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agn5009 7/19/2015 8:50pm
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Whys there have to be so many excuses for roczen. He's not riding as well as dungey this year. It's that simple. It seems like the excuses have been coming in drones this year. He's still taking podiums and people feel the need to come up with stupid crazy theories.
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Silliker269 7/19/2015 8:52pm
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After 15 minutes in, he looked like he was on a Sunday afternoon trail ride , probably got some lingering injuries on the go that they wont talk about
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Hanaa80 7/19/2015 9:14pm
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Silliker269 wrote:
After 15 minutes in, he looked like he was on a Sunday afternoon trail ride , probably got some lingering injuries on the go that they...
After 15 minutes in, he looked like he was on a Sunday afternoon trail ride , probably got some lingering injuries on the go that they wont talk about
Like a stress fracture in his spine? It's amazing how short memory people have.
harescrambled 7/19/2015 9:30pm
7/19/2015 9:30pm
akillerwombat wrote:
... he got passed on a downhill by Baggett, not sure how much a lack of power played into that.
That was elchupacabra beginning to show some signs of life....
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mx836 7/19/2015 9:48pm
7/19/2015 9:48pm
Everyone saying he shouldn't have left because of the bike, I have literally seen the words come out of his mouth that he did not like the KTM. It's been said in numerous interviews that the bike is the reason he left. That is all.
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Flip109 7/19/2015 9:48pm
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MR. X wrote:
BRAKE WAS HITING THA TRIPOL ON HIS RMZ450
Shit cracks me up every time
crusty_xx 7/19/2015 10:08pm
7/19/2015 10:08pm
Funny how you guys just know everything you must be some sort of hardcore insiders really

When he almost won 3 out of the first 4 SX races there was nothing wrong with his bike or his trainer that he left in December already?

He can't even train properly at the moment due to the list of injuries he's carrying (but he is still out there getting in podiums like a boss)
And still people talk shit without knowing nothing apart from stuff they read on the Internet... It's ridiculous
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OR Racer46 7/19/2015 10:34pm
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Wtf is this almost won stuff ? I guess you could say I almost won a few sxs this year also I just didn't quite qulifiy
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agn5009 7/19/2015 10:36pm
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crusty_xx wrote:
Funny how you guys just know everything you must be some sort of hardcore insiders really When he almost won 3 out of the first 4...
Funny how you guys just know everything you must be some sort of hardcore insiders really

When he almost won 3 out of the first 4 SX races there was nothing wrong with his bike or his trainer that he left in December already?

He can't even train properly at the moment due to the list of injuries he's carrying (but he is still out there getting in podiums like a boss)
And still people talk shit without knowing nothing apart from stuff they read on the Internet... It's ridiculous
You're going to compare the needed fitness in SX to MX? Now that sounds ridiculous to me.
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Crush 7/19/2015 10:44pm
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crusty_xx wrote:
Funny how you guys just know everything you must be some sort of hardcore insiders really When he almost won 3 out of the first 4...
Funny how you guys just know everything you must be some sort of hardcore insiders really

When he almost won 3 out of the first 4 SX races there was nothing wrong with his bike or his trainer that he left in December already?

He can't even train properly at the moment due to the list of injuries he's carrying (but he is still out there getting in podiums like a boss)
And still people talk shit without knowing nothing apart from stuff they read on the Internet... It's ridiculous
MX and SX suspension are completely different.

He might be injured still, there might be issues. But that doesn't mean his bike is working right how he wants it–which he has said multiple times that they're still working on the suspension settings.
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Sargent Rock 7/19/2015 10:53pm
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hillbilly wrote:
RC shoulda put on a lid and went out there in flip flops after motos and hucked it from inside just to show him wtf.
lol
crusty_xx 7/19/2015 11:06pm
7/19/2015 11:06pm
crusty_xx wrote:
Funny how you guys just know everything you must be some sort of hardcore insiders really When he almost won 3 out of the first 4...
Funny how you guys just know everything you must be some sort of hardcore insiders really

When he almost won 3 out of the first 4 SX races there was nothing wrong with his bike or his trainer that he left in December already?

He can't even train properly at the moment due to the list of injuries he's carrying (but he is still out there getting in podiums like a boss)
And still people talk shit without knowing nothing apart from stuff they read on the Internet... It's ridiculous
agn5009 wrote:
You're going to compare the needed fitness in SX to MX? Now that sounds ridiculous to me.
Read again

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woody woodpecker 7/19/2015 11:14pm
7/19/2015 11:14pm
agn5009 wrote:
Whys there have to be so many excuses for roczen. He's not riding as well as dungey this year. It's that simple. It seems like the...
Whys there have to be so many excuses for roczen. He's not riding as well as dungey this year. It's that simple. It seems like the excuses have been coming in drones this year. He's still taking podiums and people feel the need to come up with stupid crazy theories.
You don't know it's that simple though. You can see he's riding tighter right now than he has in any year previous, and he's clearly not "super pumped" about something even when he's up on the podium. I'm not going to pretend like I know exactly what's wrong but I think it's stupid to assume that we've been seeing the best out of him given his previous performances.
Anthony Siracuse 7/19/2015 11:23pm
7/19/2015 11:23pm
MxKing809 wrote:
Didn't you get the memo? Showa is way better than WP.......
Crush wrote:
Kenny's bike last year looked long legged, always high in the stroke and free moving... Don't know what it is but his bike looks dead this...
Kenny's bike last year looked long legged, always high in the stroke and free moving... Don't know what it is but his bike looks dead this year–he's said they're still working with the suspension a lot but he visibly looks different, almost like it's bound up low in the stroke... I wonder if The Man is shaking his head at hearing about suspension issues....
MxKing809 wrote:
DeCoster said that Kenny was the type to find a setting and stick with it, opposed to Dungey who would fidget and change settings almost to...
DeCoster said that Kenny was the type to find a setting and stick with it, opposed to Dungey who would fidget and change settings almost to a fault. Funny how that has changed and now Kenny seems to be constantly looking for a passable setting now.... and constantly fidgeting.

At RedBud during Qualifying Kenny was chasing Ryan, and Dungey pulled into the mechanic area ro talk to the WP tech. Kenny pulled in right behind him and stated talking to his people and having his bike tampered with as well..... then RD5 gets his shock clickers adjusted and begins to pull away, Kenny notices and slams his bike in gear, frantically let's the clutch out and hops right back in behind Dungey.

It was a very telling sequence to watch..... you could tell kenny's world revolved around RD5, while Kenny was a fly to Dungey. I think that's a microcosm of the issue. Ryan is inside of Kenny's head so bad that Ken should start charging him rent.
@everyone saying Ken is injured, I thought Kenny said he felt fine. This story above tells all.
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kiwifan 7/19/2015 11:26pm
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I love it how people here think when someone isnt doing so good then the bikes down on power, or when they are doing great the bike is very powerful.....do these guys not ride bikes?
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Question 7/19/2015 11:28pm
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akillerwombat wrote:
... he got passed on a downhill by Baggett, not sure how much a lack of power played into that.
Lightning78 wrote:
Hahahahaha…… EXACTLY!

HE GOT PASSED BY BRAKE !

TBH I just hope he is taking it easy right now, to recover from this long season that did not go his way, to be fresh when comes A1. I do not know if it is the same Roczen, or that Dungey, (Tomac) & Bam Bam got it all dialed in throughout the season, maybe a bit of both.
crusty_xx 7/19/2015 11:53pm
7/19/2015 11:53pm
hillbilly wrote:
RC shoulda put on a lid and went out there in flip flops after motos and hucked it from inside just to show him wtf.
Yeah just go for it Kenny, maybe you break your back or tear your ankle ligaments again but at least you did the triple

when did he blame it on the bike btw?
Hoagie_Man377 7/20/2015 12:09am
7/20/2015 12:09am
hillbilly wrote:
RC shoulda put on a lid and went out there in flip flops after motos and hucked it from inside just to show him wtf.
crusty_xx wrote:
Yeah just go for it Kenny, maybe you break your back or tear your ankle ligaments again but at least you did the triple when did...
Yeah just go for it Kenny, maybe you break your back or tear your ankle ligaments again but at least you did the triple

when did he blame it on the bike btw?
He blames the bike "in so many words" after every race they talk to him.
crusty_xx 7/20/2015 12:33am
7/20/2015 12:33am
hillbilly wrote:
RC shoulda put on a lid and went out there in flip flops after motos and hucked it from inside just to show him wtf.
crusty_xx wrote:
Yeah just go for it Kenny, maybe you break your back or tear your ankle ligaments again but at least you did the triple when did...
Yeah just go for it Kenny, maybe you break your back or tear your ankle ligaments again but at least you did the triple

when did he blame it on the bike btw?
Hoagie_Man377 wrote:
He blames the bike "in so many words" after every race they talk to him.
I mean did he say he couldnt jump the triple because of the bike?
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The Rock 7/20/2015 12:41am
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TeamGreen wrote:
If his best bikes sat-up is "slow"? That's his set-up, His and/or RCH/Suzuki's choice of engine. Over the last few years I've seen the Suzuki make...
If his best bikes sat-up is "slow"? That's his set-up, His and/or RCH/Suzuki's choice of engine.

Over the last few years I've seen the Suzuki make as much power as the rest of'em...to the point where riders were wanting to "back it down"...

Anyone notice BB's 2nd Moto and his lap times...@ the END OF THE MOTO? Seems his scoot runs fine...? Pretty sure that anything avail to Blake is avail to Kenny & Broc.

Blake is back, Stoked!
I remember a shot of Howerton's 370 Suzuki on its side with the caption containing the words Howerton had mechanic detune his bike or something to that effect.

The two teams share a lot of hardware obviously but RCH is completely doing their own thing on the electronic side of things from what I picked up at the the first two Nationals.
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bd 7/20/2015 1:46am
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Blake Baggett kicked Roczen and Tomac's in 2012 and then he broke his wrist. If Baggett is feeling comfortable, he will be fighting for wins outdoors
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blusmbl 7/20/2015 3:19am
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He definitely said they needed to work on the bike settings during the 1st moto post race interview this week.
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mmcmx 7/20/2015 3:31am
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To me it's obvious he was afraid of casing it.
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#991 7/20/2015 3:43am
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mmcmx wrote:
To me it's obvious he was afraid of casing it.
Which is fair enough given his back Issues. I could almost feel it myself when RD#5 and JB cased it early in the first Moto

He should do well at the next couple of rounds.

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