JMB on RV

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Crush wrote:
He really should have ridden out the season completely disinterested and gone road racing next year.... That would have been a real champion's exit...
Crush...gotta say you crushed it with this one...
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7/10/2015 7:35am
i didnt say i agreed with JMB or whatever ,actually i didnt like it either coming from a champ like JMB. but its weird to see...
i didnt say i agreed with JMB or whatever ,actually i didnt like it either coming from a champ like JMB. but its weird to see that anybody with a different opinion is being trashed and if its a euro the whole euro and MXGP shit has to be in it again ... its about RV , has nothing to do with Cairoli , tracks in the MXGP and so on and on ....
It's a bummer, but this place has been lost in that wilderness for longer than you've been here. And the sewer backs up both directions,
7/10/2015 7:37am
i didnt say i agreed with JMB or whatever ,actually i didnt like it either coming from a champ like JMB. but its weird to see...
i didnt say i agreed with JMB or whatever ,actually i didnt like it either coming from a champ like JMB. but its weird to see that anybody with a different opinion is being trashed and if its a euro the whole euro and MXGP shit has to be in it again ... its about RV , has nothing to do with Cairoli , tracks in the MXGP and so on and on ....
It's a bummer, but this place has been lost in that wilderness for longer than you've been here. And the sewer backs up both directions,
yeah i know ...
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As a 'proud American', I totally dig RV's exit from racing. No 'farewell tour', group hug hoopla. Just thank everybody and go to the house. Perfect.
CoccoBill wrote:
Ok guys, you are the Americans (total respect to you, your Nation, your riders and your opinions) if you're happy with the way it went, well...
Ok guys, you are the Americans (total respect to you, your Nation, your riders and your opinions) if you're happy with the way it went, well, good for you, but let me say if Cairoli would act like RV did I would be disappointed.
anelson509 wrote:
Don't worry Cairoli wouldn't, because he'd never have the balls to open himself to the criticism RV has by going to race the other series.
Now you should tell me what the heck your comment means.
Let's say you're right, Tony is just an average b-class euro rider and has no balls to put a wheel on the American soil, does this make RV an instant hero?

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7/10/2015 7:38am Edited Date/Time 7/10/2015 7:39am
Do you spayle it Bayle or Bail?




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Do you spayle it Bayle or Bail? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/07/10/97280/s1200_bayle.jpg[/img]
Do you spayle it Bayle or Bail?




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7/10/2015 7:42am
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Do you spayle it Bayle or Bail? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/07/10/97280/s1200_bayle.jpg[/img]
Do you spayle it Bayle or Bail?




he had skill,no doubt about it.
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7/10/2015 7:42am
JMB can say what he wants. I disagree with his statement on RV.
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7/10/2015 7:42am Edited Date/Time 7/10/2015 7:47am
bd wrote:
JMB was very candid on his opinion about RV's retirement. Some might be lost in translation. [img]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/debuono/JMB%20on%20RV.png[/img]
JMB was very candid on his opinion about RV's retirement. Some might be lost in translation.

This comming from a guy that just rode around his last year of SX and MX with no desire to win because he was done with SX and MX???
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7/10/2015 8:03am
He gave everyone more than he wanted. He was coming off a long recovery coming into the mxgp season, was already burnt out. He got injured again and was probably over the recovery bit. Careers don't need a fairy tale ending. RV doesn't owe anybody anything. Good for him... got out without killing himself and can now enjoy the fruits of his labor.
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7/10/2015 8:23am
RV might not wanted to go out this way, but it is his decision to make. He won in SX and MX multiple times for his sponsors, and IMO he held up his end of the bargain and then some. If he wants to fish and hunt for the rest of his days, then he's earned that right. Let it go.
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7/10/2015 8:38am
He didn't want to race this year to begin with. Nothing has changed other than now he can retire without penalty.
7/10/2015 8:40am
CoccoBill wrote:
Ok guys, you are the Americans (total respect to you, your Nation, your riders and your opinions) if you're happy with the way it went, well...
Ok guys, you are the Americans (total respect to you, your Nation, your riders and your opinions) if you're happy with the way it went, well, good for you, but let me say if Cairoli would act like RV did I would be disappointed.
anelson509 wrote:
Don't worry Cairoli wouldn't, because he'd never have the balls to open himself to the criticism RV has by going to race the other series.
CoccoBill wrote:
Now you should tell me what the heck your comment means. Let's say you're right, Tony is just an average b-class euro rider and has no...
Now you should tell me what the heck your comment means.
Let's say you're right, Tony is just an average b-class euro rider and has no balls to put a wheel on the American soil, does this make RV an instant hero?
I never said he was a b-class euro rider. He's a great rider and has had a great career. My point was that Cairoli would never have taken the chance that RV did to open himself up to the type of criticism that he has recieved. If a fan is disappointed that he didn't go and win a title I understand that, but you have to respect that at the end of his career he tried something completely different that others wouldn't try.
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7/10/2015 8:45am Edited Date/Time 7/10/2015 8:48am
CoccoBill wrote:
I'm not talking shit about Americans, "au contraire" (like they say it in France), I'm just feeling like RV is not behaving like a proud American...
I'm not talking shit about Americans, "au contraire" (like they say it in France), I'm just feeling like RV is not behaving like a proud American fan would like him to do...
As a 'proud American', I totally dig RV's exit from racing. No 'farewell tour', group hug hoopla. Just thank everybody and go to the house. Perfect.
CoccoBill wrote:
Ok guys, you are the Americans (total respect to you, your Nation, your riders and your opinions) if you're happy with the way it went, well...
Ok guys, you are the Americans (total respect to you, your Nation, your riders and your opinions) if you're happy with the way it went, well, good for you, but let me say if Cairoli would act like RV did I would be disappointed.
They aren't happy with the way it went. Anyone who said they would not have preferred RV to go out with a MXGP title is lying just as anyone who says they are fine with the way RV left are not being honest. Losing three of the four races, flipping over backwards and then walking away and this wreckitandy calls it "perfect". OK. Whistling

JMB is right, but he would be called a know-it-nothing troll by the American fans if he posted that anonymously here. As I said, put the pride aside. As JMB said, learn how to lose and take a does of humility. These American fans have a hard time with facts and take it as an insult when someone points them out. At the end of the day, they will just shoo others off the forum so they can live in their own world.
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7/10/2015 8:49am
bd wrote:
JMB was very candid on his opinion about RV's retirement. Some might be lost in translation. [img]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/debuono/JMB%20on%20RV.png[/img]
JMB was very candid on his opinion about RV's retirement. Some might be lost in translation.

Mit12 wrote:
This comming from a guy that just rode around his last year of SX and MX with no desire to win because he was done with...
This comming from a guy that just rode around his last year of SX and MX with no desire to win because he was done with SX and MX???
He did at least finish it though. That's all he criticised RV for to be fair, not coming out to finish it off
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7/10/2015 8:50am
god you euros are so damned butthurt over the us vs gp issue in general. grow the hell up.

im not the biggest rv fan but bayle you sound like a real jerkoff.
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7/10/2015 8:52am
As a 'proud American', I totally dig RV's exit from racing. No 'farewell tour', group hug hoopla. Just thank everybody and go to the house. Perfect.
CoccoBill wrote:
Ok guys, you are the Americans (total respect to you, your Nation, your riders and your opinions) if you're happy with the way it went, well...
Ok guys, you are the Americans (total respect to you, your Nation, your riders and your opinions) if you're happy with the way it went, well, good for you, but let me say if Cairoli would act like RV did I would be disappointed.
yakrider wrote:
They aren't happy with the way it went. Anyone who said they would not have preferred RV to go out with a MXGP title is lying...
They aren't happy with the way it went. Anyone who said they would not have preferred RV to go out with a MXGP title is lying just as anyone who says they are fine with the way RV left are not being honest. Losing three of the four races, flipping over backwards and then walking away and this wreckitandy calls it "perfect". OK. Whistling

JMB is right, but he would be called a know-it-nothing troll by the American fans if he posted that anonymously here. As I said, put the pride aside. As JMB said, learn how to lose and take a does of humility. These American fans have a hard time with facts and take it as an insult when someone points them out. At the end of the day, they will just shoo others off the forum so they can live in their own world.
JMB is right, but he would be called a know-it-nothing troll by the American fans if he posted that anonymously here. As I said, put the pride aside. As JMB said, learn how to lose and take a does of humility. These American fans have a hard time with facts and take it as an insult when someone points them out.

Trollers who have a problem signing their name to their body of work are often times hard to take serious. Nothing new there.

JMB could stand to take a dose of his own medicine.

I have always given riders from across the pond their congrats on coming here and kicking yank ass. Speaks volumes about where the state of the sport is here in the US. Our guys have always had difficulties when they head over to the GP's and always seem to return to the states with some new found speed. Tallon Vohland and Mike Brown are two that come to mind. Ryan Hughes too??
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7/10/2015 8:53am
As a 'proud American', I totally dig RV's exit from racing. No 'farewell tour', group hug hoopla. Just thank everybody and go to the house. Perfect.
CoccoBill wrote:
Ok guys, you are the Americans (total respect to you, your Nation, your riders and your opinions) if you're happy with the way it went, well...
Ok guys, you are the Americans (total respect to you, your Nation, your riders and your opinions) if you're happy with the way it went, well, good for you, but let me say if Cairoli would act like RV did I would be disappointed.
yakrider wrote:
They aren't happy with the way it went. Anyone who said they would not have preferred RV to go out with a MXGP title is lying...
They aren't happy with the way it went. Anyone who said they would not have preferred RV to go out with a MXGP title is lying just as anyone who says they are fine with the way RV left are not being honest. Losing three of the four races, flipping over backwards and then walking away and this wreckitandy calls it "perfect". OK. Whistling

JMB is right, but he would be called a know-it-nothing troll by the American fans if he posted that anonymously here. As I said, put the pride aside. As JMB said, learn how to lose and take a does of humility. These American fans have a hard time with facts and take it as an insult when someone points them out. At the end of the day, they will just shoo others off the forum so they can live in their own world.
"Anyone who said they would not have preferred RV to go out with a MXGP title is lying just as anyone who says they are fine with the way RV left are not being honest"

Well no shit. Of course I would prefer for RV to have gone out with an MXGP title. But why does that mean I can't be fine with how he left?
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7/10/2015 8:54am
As a 'proud American', I totally dig RV's exit from racing. No 'farewell tour', group hug hoopla. Just thank everybody and go to the house. Perfect.
CoccoBill wrote:
Ok guys, you are the Americans (total respect to you, your Nation, your riders and your opinions) if you're happy with the way it went, well...
Ok guys, you are the Americans (total respect to you, your Nation, your riders and your opinions) if you're happy with the way it went, well, good for you, but let me say if Cairoli would act like RV did I would be disappointed.
yakrider wrote:
They aren't happy with the way it went. Anyone who said they would not have preferred RV to go out with a MXGP title is lying...
They aren't happy with the way it went. Anyone who said they would not have preferred RV to go out with a MXGP title is lying just as anyone who says they are fine with the way RV left are not being honest. Losing three of the four races, flipping over backwards and then walking away and this wreckitandy calls it "perfect". OK. Whistling

JMB is right, but he would be called a know-it-nothing troll by the American fans if he posted that anonymously here. As I said, put the pride aside. As JMB said, learn how to lose and take a does of humility. These American fans have a hard time with facts and take it as an insult when someone points them out. At the end of the day, they will just shoo others off the forum so they can live in their own world.
your ass hurts more than rv's.
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7/10/2015 9:01am
JMB put a 500 Yamaha on the front row of a GP, in his 3rd season on tarmac, he won in MX and moved on to a new challenge, wasnt interested in records or numbers , just beating the best that there was and moving on,

Had he not had a bad head injury, i have no doubt he would have won races, and maybe pushed for a title.

Nobody has come close to doing what he did , not even close.
7/10/2015 9:06am Edited Date/Time 7/10/2015 9:08am
I only saw RV ride once, at the 2006MxDN, on a 250F. He was awesome, and somewhat overlooked because all the talk was of Everts' feet-up pass on Bubba.

That said, RV has gone out literally on his ass. He was capable of coming back at some point and going out with more wins, but he chose not to. (His choice, who am I to criticise?)

Contrast that situation with Bubba who has taken a huge hit but seems to be bursting to come back, have fun and add wins. I doubt Carmichael would have quit like RV either.

RV is a great rider and talent, but isn't one of my personal heroes. He doesn't live and breathe dirtbikes, and ache to be on one every single day like Bubba, RC, Magoo, McGrath, Dowd, Guy Cooper etc .....it was his job, not his passion. He was awesomely good at his job. I respect that.

Oh, and by the way JMB won titles at the highest on both sides of the pond (few can say that) AND he competed at the very highest level in road race GPs. His opinion is entirely valid, irrespective of whether you or I agree.
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7/10/2015 9:12am
As a 'proud American', I totally dig RV's exit from racing. No 'farewell tour', group hug hoopla. Just thank everybody and go to the house. Perfect.
CoccoBill wrote:
Ok guys, you are the Americans (total respect to you, your Nation, your riders and your opinions) if you're happy with the way it went, well...
Ok guys, you are the Americans (total respect to you, your Nation, your riders and your opinions) if you're happy with the way it went, well, good for you, but let me say if Cairoli would act like RV did I would be disappointed.
yakrider wrote:
They aren't happy with the way it went. Anyone who said they would not have preferred RV to go out with a MXGP title is lying...
They aren't happy with the way it went. Anyone who said they would not have preferred RV to go out with a MXGP title is lying just as anyone who says they are fine with the way RV left are not being honest. Losing three of the four races, flipping over backwards and then walking away and this wreckitandy calls it "perfect". OK. Whistling

JMB is right, but he would be called a know-it-nothing troll by the American fans if he posted that anonymously here. As I said, put the pride aside. As JMB said, learn how to lose and take a does of humility. These American fans have a hard time with facts and take it as an insult when someone points them out. At the end of the day, they will just shoo others off the forum so they can live in their own world.
Perhaps JMB enjoyed learning how to lose during his trail ride through the 92 season. Maybe he was okay not racing to win.

If so, that just shows the difference between the two racers. One was content to ride around, the other wasn't interested in riding around, even injured, without being able to give it everything he had to win.
7/10/2015 9:14am
Ha- I like JMB, but he finished his US career by dropping his factory Honda on its side in the pits and walking away. The only thing missing was a middle finger.
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7/10/2015 9:21am
HenryA wrote:
Yeah, such a shame that he won't race with a broken tailbone. RV is such a puss.





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kongols wrote:
Doctor already cleared him to race. He just don't see a point in it.
In his statement he says his doctor just cleared him to begin fitness and training, doesn't say cleared to race........
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7/10/2015 9:26am
JMB is old. Old people think no one is doing it right.
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7/10/2015 9:27am
The only mistake RV made was continuing on. He should have just retired prior to this year. He was done from every account I have heard of. It probably wasn't the nice spaghetti and croissant eating tour of europe he had hoped for either.

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7/10/2015 9:29am
philG wrote:
JMB put a 500 Yamaha on the front row of a GP, in his 3rd season on tarmac, he won in MX and moved on to...
JMB put a 500 Yamaha on the front row of a GP, in his 3rd season on tarmac, he won in MX and moved on to a new challenge, wasnt interested in records or numbers , just beating the best that there was and moving on,

Had he not had a bad head injury, i have no doubt he would have won races, and maybe pushed for a title.

Nobody has come close to doing what he did , not even close.
Ya' know, decades before JMB, Steve Wise did some pretty good stuff on a number of different types of motorcycles. MX, SX, Flat Track, Superbikers, Road Race, Hall of Fame and all that....

Steve was even checking steering head play long before Bayle. Hell, he could even change a drain plug gasket mid race!

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7/10/2015 9:34am
yakrider wrote:
They aren't happy with the way it went. Anyone who said they would not have preferred RV to go out with a MXGP title is lying...
They aren't happy with the way it went. Anyone who said they would not have preferred RV to go out with a MXGP title is lying just as anyone who says they are fine with the way RV left are not being honest. Losing three of the four races, flipping over backwards and then walking away and this wreckitandy calls it "perfect". OK. Whistling

JMB is right, but he would be called a know-it-nothing troll by the American fans if he posted that anonymously here. As I said, put the pride aside. As JMB said, learn how to lose and take a does of humility. These American fans have a hard time with facts and take it as an insult when someone points them out. At the end of the day, they will just shoo others off the forum so they can live in their own world.
Most American fans don't have a hard time with facts here. However, we do have a hard time with trolls that take those facts, interpret them their own way, present their opinions as facts, and down-talk anyone else who thinks differently.

Who's to say JMB is right in this situation? That's subjective as all hell and there's no way you can make a coherent argument out of that. At the end of the day, he's telling another guy how he should retire and/or how he should handle his defeat (post-injury no-less, and RV has had numerous injuries), which is nonsense.

All in all, I actually think it's a pretty disrespectful thing to say. Everybody hates to see a guy go out like this, but not everyone can retire like RC.

7/10/2015 9:37am
Who's to say JMB is right in this situation? its an opinion from a person ..duhhhh , agree or dont but has nothing to do with being right or not .

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