Broc Schmelyun crash

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Ramrod 6/15/2015 9:05am
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Wow! Poor guy, that crash was brutal.
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TripleFive wrote:
Good God.

Did his feet get ripped off on the face?
slipdog wrote:
Yeah, kind of looks like ruts on the face pulled him off before he left the take off
He said his left grip had pulled off
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Mungusman 6/15/2015 9:49am
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I was told left grip came off also.
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ck1racerx 6/15/2015 10:27am
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Its motocross not Evil Knievel. Enough of the BS 150 foot jumps.
DC for God sake, you were a racer. Don't build an obstacle like this. Its ridiculous. Stop trying to appeal to the f'ing drunks and people with 5 second attention spans. and build a track for the racers.
You take your old ass out there and jump that thing every lap for 30 minuets knowing if you don't you will get passed.
Don't give me this crap of "They can decide to do it or not" DONT BUILD it and they don't have to decide.

HEY, AMA how about to step up and protect the riders.

Kids dying in this sport way to often for the top level to take such an irresponsible stance.

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huck 6/15/2015 10:32am
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Man, I hope he makes a full recovery. That was brutal looking.

Can you people that are complaining about this jump (and the other big jumps) tell me how big the jump was that ended ET3's season?

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huck wrote:
Man, I hope he makes a full recovery. That was brutal looking. Can you people that are complaining about this jump (and the other big jumps)...
Man, I hope he makes a full recovery. That was brutal looking.

Can you people that are complaining about this jump (and the other big jumps) tell me how big the jump was that ended ET3's season?

Could not have said it better myself.

Looks to me like him catching his left foot on a rut caused the whole thing.
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yak651 6/15/2015 10:39am
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Premix wrote:
Should have left the hip jump in and be done with these fly racing catapults.
I liked the hip jump, but I think coming off on the hip jump would've had a far worse outcome than what he did there.
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ck1racerx 6/15/2015 10:47am
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Your right huck. Budds Creek is installing the Snake river canyon right before the finish.
Toesmack didn't get hurt on that so it must be OK.
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kkawboy14 6/15/2015 10:47am
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That just made me sick for him and his family! Get well soon!
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huck 6/15/2015 10:51am
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ck1racerx wrote:
Your right huck. Budds Creek is installing the Snake river canyon right before the finish.
Toesmack didn't get hurt on that so it must be OK.
My right? What about my left?


And motorcycle racing is dangerous. Jumps are dangerous. Corners are dangerous. Straights are dangerous. Sucks that this kid got hurt...and it sucks when anybody gets hurt. But the only way to eliminate all the dangers, would be to leave the bikes on the stands.

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The bikes keep advancing, but the human body does not...
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Saw Broc just last month at a local Pa track smoking the field looking super fast. The get off Saturday at High Point was disturbing to watch and hopefully he will make a speedy recovery. This kid been thru a couple of nasty situations but his determination to compete at the highest level makes me think he'll be back ASAP. Wishing Broc well and a speedy full recovery.
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ck1racerx 6/15/2015 11:08am
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Not trying to eliminate ALL the danger. Just the stupid, unnecessary obstacles that bring nothing to our sport.

I did not realize my post would be scrutinized by the grammar and or punctuation police. I will try to do better.
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neysbo 6/15/2015 11:18am
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First off, thoughts and prayers with Broc for a good recovery, as bad as that was , it could have ended way worse.

Second, it sounds like his grip came off at the worst possible time and caused the crash. That jump was fine and did not cause the crash. One of the WMX riders was hitting it on Friday even. The jump was made to allow multiple places to land and if you were short , you were still fine.


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huck 6/15/2015 11:20am
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ck1racerx wrote:
Not trying to eliminate ALL the danger. Just the stupid, unnecessary obstacles that bring nothing to our sport. I did not realize my post would be...
Not trying to eliminate ALL the danger. Just the stupid, unnecessary obstacles that bring nothing to our sport.

I did not realize my post would be scrutinized by the grammar and or punctuation police. I will try to do better.
So, just eliminate the stuff that YOU feel is 'stupid and unnecessary'... Got it!


I'd be willing to bet that more people have been hurt this season on 'non-jumps' than they have on jumps. Let's eliminate all those stupid and unnecessary corners and bumps....
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Hallzilla 6/15/2015 11:25am
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ck1racerx wrote:
Its motocross not Evil Knievel. Enough of the BS 150 foot jumps. DC for God sake, you were a racer. Don't build an obstacle like this...
Its motocross not Evil Knievel. Enough of the BS 150 foot jumps.
DC for God sake, you were a racer. Don't build an obstacle like this. Its ridiculous. Stop trying to appeal to the f'ing drunks and people with 5 second attention spans. and build a track for the racers.
You take your old ass out there and jump that thing every lap for 30 minuets knowing if you don't you will get passed.
Don't give me this crap of "They can decide to do it or not" DONT BUILD it and they don't have to decide.

HEY, AMA how about to step up and protect the riders.

Kids dying in this sport way to often for the top level to take such an irresponsible stance.
You should hang out with "THE ROCK". That way you can hold and comfort each other each time a pro racer catches air.
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ck1racerx 6/15/2015 11:43am
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[u]OMG I cant believe I have to explain this. THIS kid did not crash and get hurt on a "non-jump", corner, roller, straight, or regular old jump. He got hurt on what in reality is nothing more then then Nitro Circus part of the track.
And yes, I feel it is stupid and unnecessary because I am looking at it from the racers point of view. If no one in the AMA or MX Sports groups want to try to protect them then I have no problem doing it.

I sure hope the kid comes back stronger then ever.
GeorgiePorgie 6/15/2015 12:40pm
6/15/2015 12:40pm Edited Date/Time 6/15/2015 12:50pm
A women rider did the jump.

And?

And............so what ?! Back in the day the triple behind the start was the big one. Now every 1/4 lap there's a big one. But why ? As RC says "Jump for show corner for dough".

Don't they jump enough 16 rounds a year in supercross??????



Was he running ODI lock on grips? Just wondering.....

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John250 6/15/2015 1:01pm
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The point is not that people get hurt. Yes, Tomac and others get hurt on straights, corners, etc. The hurt knees, ankles, shoulders, etc. etc. But these usually are NOT life threatening or career ending injuries. A 130 foot or 150 foot jump, can have life changing or life ending results IF something goes wrong. This kid broke his femur, and fibula. Both possible could be career changing and life changing injuries.

The bikes power and suspension allow for 150 foot jumps to be made. The gear technology, and the human body do not absorb hits from 50 mph and 120 foot impacts. I've said it a million times, and will say it a million more. The human body can only absorb so much impact. So we are grateful he is walking (hopefully normally again), and not dead.

CK1racerX raced at that highest level in the past. I would take his opinion over the guy watching TV or drunk saying "dude that was crazy" watching for the Carnegie. I watch for the racing, and HUGE leaps don't improve racing.

We are making lap times shorter for TV purposes, and making jumps bigger for the "cool" factor. Pretty soon they will make it like the X games and add a metal ramp in there too. .
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njracer46 6/15/2015 1:33pm
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John250 wrote:
The point is not that people get hurt. Yes, Tomac and others get hurt on straights, corners, etc. The hurt knees, ankles, shoulders, etc. etc. But...
The point is not that people get hurt. Yes, Tomac and others get hurt on straights, corners, etc. The hurt knees, ankles, shoulders, etc. etc. But these usually are NOT life threatening or career ending injuries. A 130 foot or 150 foot jump, can have life changing or life ending results IF something goes wrong. This kid broke his femur, and fibula. Both possible could be career changing and life changing injuries.

The bikes power and suspension allow for 150 foot jumps to be made. The gear technology, and the human body do not absorb hits from 50 mph and 120 foot impacts. I've said it a million times, and will say it a million more. The human body can only absorb so much impact. So we are grateful he is walking (hopefully normally again), and not dead.

CK1racerX raced at that highest level in the past. I would take his opinion over the guy watching TV or drunk saying "dude that was crazy" watching for the Carnegie. I watch for the racing, and HUGE leaps don't improve racing.

We are making lap times shorter for TV purposes, and making jumps bigger for the "cool" factor. Pretty soon they will make it like the X games and add a metal ramp in there too. .
Breaking your femur Is more painful but don't sit here and tell me that shoulder/knee/ankle injuries are not life changing or career ending.
aFACEdismembered 6/15/2015 1:51pm
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huck wrote:
Man, I hope he makes a full recovery. That was brutal looking. Can you people that are complaining about this jump (and the other big jumps)...
Man, I hope he makes a full recovery. That was brutal looking.

Can you people that are complaining about this jump (and the other big jumps) tell me how big the jump was that ended ET3's season?

To have a fresh perspective, Eli's wreck was just as bad as Brock's but,

The difference being that Eli's happened on the edge of control going downhill through breaking bumps and his rear wheel missed a bump, causing him to swap. If Brock could go down a hill that fast he would be winning races.

Brock lost control on what is usually a part of any track where a rider feels MOST in control, before a jump. He was flailing through the air for 2-3 seconds hoping not to land on his neck and have his lights go out for good. I'd rather swap on a downhill any day of the week.

Big difference, similar results... this time.
Motocross83 6/15/2015 2:32pm
6/15/2015 2:32pm
As spectacular as they are, I can't say that I'm a fan of these massive jumps either. Gravity is the same everywhere, but acceleration can only increase the further you fall.
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h&m_cycle 6/15/2015 2:43pm
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ck1racerx wrote:
Not trying to eliminate ALL the danger. Just the stupid, unnecessary obstacles that bring nothing to our sport. I did not realize my post would be...
Not trying to eliminate ALL the danger. Just the stupid, unnecessary obstacles that bring nothing to our sport.

I did not realize my post would be scrutinized by the grammar and or punctuation police. I will try to do better.
Those large jumps are necessary for 4 reasons, Honda threatened to pull out of the series without them, the riders need that
3 second break in the air to re-group, magazine cover shots of scrubs & whips, & for the riders to stylishly pull tear offs for, on
live TV...

I went to Malvern MX about a month ago, first time since I raced there about 92... Track layout pretty much the same, some
larger jumps... The best part is watching a kid running about 10th in "C" class doing whips...Kissing

Him whipping to 10 place doesn't bother me, he's having fun & I think it's pretty damn funny. Looked like mom was shooting
video of him, the kid's staying out of trouble... The funny part for me is the whips will be on Utube but the race results won't beLaughing

That grip coming off sucks, glad the kids going to be ok...
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seth505 6/15/2015 2:48pm
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ck1racerx wrote:
[u]OMG I cant believe I have to explain this. THIS kid did not crash and get hurt on a "non-jump", corner, roller, straight, or regular old...
[u]OMG I cant believe I have to explain this. THIS kid did not crash and get hurt on a "non-jump", corner, roller, straight, or regular old jump. He got hurt on what in reality is nothing more then then Nitro Circus part of the track.
And yes, I feel it is stupid and unnecessary because I am looking at it from the racers point of view. If no one in the AMA or MX Sports groups want to try to protect them then I have no problem doing it.

I sure hope the kid comes back stronger then ever.
Let's look at it objectively, what if his left grip had come off on a 4th or 5th gear straight-away with bumps all over it, could have easily been as worse (just ragdolling rather than flying through the air).
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ab5772 6/15/2015 2:52pm
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huck wrote:
Man, I hope he makes a full recovery. That was brutal looking. Can you people that are complaining about this jump (and the other big jumps)...
Man, I hope he makes a full recovery. That was brutal looking.

Can you people that are complaining about this jump (and the other big jumps) tell me how big the jump was that ended ET3's season?

I'm pretty sure it's the same size as the one that ended RV's season.
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ck1racerx wrote:
Its motocross not Evil Knievel. Enough of the BS 150 foot jumps. DC for God sake, you were a racer. Don't build an obstacle like this...
Its motocross not Evil Knievel. Enough of the BS 150 foot jumps.
DC for God sake, you were a racer. Don't build an obstacle like this. Its ridiculous. Stop trying to appeal to the f'ing drunks and people with 5 second attention spans. and build a track for the racers.
You take your old ass out there and jump that thing every lap for 30 minuets knowing if you don't you will get passed.
Don't give me this crap of "They can decide to do it or not" DONT BUILD it and they don't have to decide.

HEY, AMA how about to step up and protect the riders.

Kids dying in this sport way to often for the top level to take such an irresponsible stance.
Totally agree. Well put
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There's a lot of riders that are completely comfortable jumping big jumps. What might look big and scary to some of you will look f-ing awesome to others. That's why we have professional riders.....and fast/good amateurs. If everybody thought it was crazy or stupid to have jumps like that.....I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have jumps like that. Believe it or not....there's people out there that crave this sort of thing and if you're not one of them, you'll never know or understand why certain people do it. It's not really fair to stand on the sidelines and tell others what's good or bad for them.
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MXisLIFE 6/15/2015 4:36pm
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Some of you all act like the riders don't like these jumps.. How many riders of posted a "send it Saturday" clip on Instagram!.. Or like when Rookie white hucked that massive 250' jump!.. These guys like going big..

Remember when JS7 launched himself off that downhill at high point I think in like 07 or 08 and balled himself up!

Larocco's leap is bigger then that booter at high point

There are some jumps that could be questioned but the riders enjoy sending it.. The fact that they are willing to do anything to gain an extra position should be questioned..

That big single before that rhythm section at freestone that bagget was hucking wasn't meant for some one to hit it like that!
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Camp332 6/15/2015 4:47pm
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Torco1 wrote:
There's a lot of riders that are completely comfortable jumping big jumps. What might look big and scary to some of you will look f-ing awesome...
There's a lot of riders that are completely comfortable jumping big jumps. What might look big and scary to some of you will look f-ing awesome to others. That's why we have professional riders.....and fast/good amateurs. If everybody thought it was crazy or stupid to have jumps like that.....I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have jumps like that. Believe it or not....there's people out there that crave this sort of thing and if you're not one of them, you'll never know or understand why certain people do it. It's not really fair to stand on the sidelines and tell others what's good or bad for them.
I'm on board the TorcBro train! These Youngblood professionals love boostin booters bruh!
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Berm 6/15/2015 4:49pm
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At some point it's insane what the riders will do to win:









sorry for the lack of photo credits, I just found these quickly off google images.

edit:
Paul Buckley's photo first
TV screen cap second I think

guyb for the last photo

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