Reed Says He's Done If He Can't Run His Camera

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6/1/2015 9:26am Edited Date/Time 6/1/2015 9:27am
lumpy790 wrote:
This could snow ball into sponsors pulling out. Whats next? ONLY Lucas oil can be used at the Nationals? Only Amsoil can be used at all...
This could snow ball into sponsors pulling out.

Whats next? ONLY Lucas oil can be used at the Nationals?

Only Amsoil can be used at all Loretta Lynns races?

If Moto Hose become a sponsor can we demand only our hoses get used by all competitors?
huck wrote:
If you put up the amount of money that GoPro has, I'm sure you could make special arrangements.... Until then, 'mind your own business'...
"Mind your own business". Reminds me of a great Hank Williams song.....that a lot of folks around here should take to heart....
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newage wrote:
I don't care what th camera looks like, that technology is bad ass. Especially if it is compatible with Oculus rift so you can look around...
I don't care what th camera looks like, that technology is bad ass. Especially if it is compatible with Oculus rift so you can look around.

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That is true, it's pretty badass tech for sure.
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6/1/2015 10:03am
DC wrote:
Lumpy, this won't snowball into anything. The series already said no to spec-tire deals and spec-fuel deals because so many riders and teams have pre-existing, longterm...
Lumpy, this won't snowball into anything. The series already said no to spec-tire deals and spec-fuel deals because so many riders and teams have pre-existing, longterm relationships (like Honda/Dunlop, for instance). We don't want to get in the way of that.

The GoPro deal has been in place for years, back before they were any other POV cameras in the space, so it was made exclusive, in both SX and MX. Chad's deal was announced three days ago, and now he's threatening to quit the series unless we break a pre-existing deal with our own longterm series sponsor who has helped make the TV packages and live-streaming a reality (and why Discount Tire and Monster Energy and Shift and all of Chad's other sponsors support him in the series, and i'm guessing part of the reason why Fly360 wants to sponsor him now).

This is complicated matter, and we will try to work through it, and hopefully see Chad continue at the races this summer.

DC
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As you stated the GoPro deal was done before other players were on the market, "years" ago. Time to update the agreement so it falls in line with with the rest of your deals. Spec tires is a good example. Chad's deal isn't the only player and actually quite new. There have been "others" for years. The deal is outdated and anti-competitive which is against how it seems current deals are structured. An exception should be made for all riders non-GoPro, not just Chad. GoPro can still be the "official" with the "official" footage for tv. Good luck, hope it works out.
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6/1/2015 10:36am
DC wrote:
Lumpy, this won't snowball into anything. The series already said no to spec-tire deals and spec-fuel deals because so many riders and teams have pre-existing, longterm...
Lumpy, this won't snowball into anything. The series already said no to spec-tire deals and spec-fuel deals because so many riders and teams have pre-existing, longterm relationships (like Honda/Dunlop, for instance). We don't want to get in the way of that.

The GoPro deal has been in place for years, back before they were any other POV cameras in the space, so it was made exclusive, in both SX and MX. Chad's deal was announced three days ago, and now he's threatening to quit the series unless we break a pre-existing deal with our own longterm series sponsor who has helped make the TV packages and live-streaming a reality (and why Discount Tire and Monster Energy and Shift and all of Chad's other sponsors support him in the series, and i'm guessing part of the reason why Fly360 wants to sponsor him now).

This is complicated matter, and we will try to work through it, and hopefully see Chad continue at the races this summer.

DC
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Triton wrote:
As you stated the GoPro deal was done before other players were on the market, "years" ago. Time to update the agreement so it falls in...
As you stated the GoPro deal was done before other players were on the market, "years" ago. Time to update the agreement so it falls in line with with the rest of your deals. Spec tires is a good example. Chad's deal isn't the only player and actually quite new. There have been "others" for years. The deal is outdated and anti-competitive which is against how it seems current deals are structured. An exception should be made for all riders non-GoPro, not just Chad. GoPro can still be the "official" with the "official" footage for tv. Good luck, hope it works out.
Go-Pro needs to rethink this contract, I for one would not purchase a Go-Pro because of this.

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6/1/2015 10:39am
lumpy790 wrote:
This could snow ball into sponsors pulling out. Whats next? ONLY Lucas oil can be used at the Nationals? Only Amsoil can be used at all...
This could snow ball into sponsors pulling out.

Whats next? ONLY Lucas oil can be used at the Nationals?

Only Amsoil can be used at all Loretta Lynns races?

If Moto Hose become a sponsor can we demand only our hoses get used by all competitors?
huck wrote:
If you put up the amount of money that GoPro has, I'm sure you could make special arrangements.... Until then, 'mind your own business'...
How much money did GoPro put up? According to DC, this deal was set up before there were any other players in the market...so what if they paid virtually nothing for the exclusive rights?

My point is that nobody here (besides DC) knows how much GoPro paid for the exclusive rights.
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6/1/2015 10:41am
DC wrote:
Lumpy, this won't snowball into anything. The series already said no to spec-tire deals and spec-fuel deals because so many riders and teams have pre-existing, longterm...
Lumpy, this won't snowball into anything. The series already said no to spec-tire deals and spec-fuel deals because so many riders and teams have pre-existing, longterm relationships (like Honda/Dunlop, for instance). We don't want to get in the way of that.

The GoPro deal has been in place for years, back before they were any other POV cameras in the space, so it was made exclusive, in both SX and MX. Chad's deal was announced three days ago, and now he's threatening to quit the series unless we break a pre-existing deal with our own longterm series sponsor who has helped make the TV packages and live-streaming a reality (and why Discount Tire and Monster Energy and Shift and all of Chad's other sponsors support him in the series, and i'm guessing part of the reason why Fly360 wants to sponsor him now).

This is complicated matter, and we will try to work through it, and hopefully see Chad continue at the races this summer.

DC
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Triton wrote:
As you stated the GoPro deal was done before other players were on the market, "years" ago. Time to update the agreement so it falls in...
As you stated the GoPro deal was done before other players were on the market, "years" ago. Time to update the agreement so it falls in line with with the rest of your deals. Spec tires is a good example. Chad's deal isn't the only player and actually quite new. There have been "others" for years. The deal is outdated and anti-competitive which is against how it seems current deals are structured. An exception should be made for all riders non-GoPro, not just Chad. GoPro can still be the "official" with the "official" footage for tv. Good luck, hope it works out.
mxjef wrote:
Go-Pro needs to rethink this contract, I for one would not purchase a Go-Pro because of this.
I agree...I think GoPro's look funny anyway (and I currently don't own one for that reason...I run a Contour ROAM and a ReplayXD), but this is just further reason for me to not purchase a GoPro.

I know that Dungey has that deal with Sony Action Cam...which would probably be worth a whole lot more if he could run it at the races.
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6/1/2015 10:41am
lumpy790 wrote:
This could snow ball into sponsors pulling out. Whats next? ONLY Lucas oil can be used at the Nationals? Only Amsoil can be used at all...
This could snow ball into sponsors pulling out.

Whats next? ONLY Lucas oil can be used at the Nationals?

Only Amsoil can be used at all Loretta Lynns races?

If Moto Hose become a sponsor can we demand only our hoses get used by all competitors?
huck wrote:
If you put up the amount of money that GoPro has, I'm sure you could make special arrangements.... Until then, 'mind your own business'...
Titan1 wrote:
How much money did GoPro put up? According to DC, this deal was set up before there were any other players in the market...so what if...
How much money did GoPro put up? According to DC, this deal was set up before there were any other players in the market...so what if they paid virtually nothing for the exclusive rights?

My point is that nobody here (besides DC) knows how much GoPro paid for the exclusive rights.
True, and it's not really anybody's business how much they paid... If Reed doesn't like it, he can start his own series. The rules were posted before he took on his sponsor.
6/1/2015 10:45am Edited Date/Time 6/1/2015 10:49am
DC wrote:
Lumpy, this won't snowball into anything. The series already said no to spec-tire deals and spec-fuel deals because so many riders and teams have pre-existing, longterm...
Lumpy, this won't snowball into anything. The series already said no to spec-tire deals and spec-fuel deals because so many riders and teams have pre-existing, longterm relationships (like Honda/Dunlop, for instance). We don't want to get in the way of that.

The GoPro deal has been in place for years, back before they were any other POV cameras in the space, so it was made exclusive, in both SX and MX. Chad's deal was announced three days ago, and now he's threatening to quit the series unless we break a pre-existing deal with our own longterm series sponsor who has helped make the TV packages and live-streaming a reality (and why Discount Tire and Monster Energy and Shift and all of Chad's other sponsors support him in the series, and i'm guessing part of the reason why Fly360 wants to sponsor him now).

This is complicated matter, and we will try to work through it, and hopefully see Chad continue at the races this summer.

DC
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Triton wrote:
As you stated the GoPro deal was done before other players were on the market, "years" ago. Time to update the agreement so it falls in...
As you stated the GoPro deal was done before other players were on the market, "years" ago. Time to update the agreement so it falls in line with with the rest of your deals. Spec tires is a good example. Chad's deal isn't the only player and actually quite new. There have been "others" for years. The deal is outdated and anti-competitive which is against how it seems current deals are structured. An exception should be made for all riders non-GoPro, not just Chad. GoPro can still be the "official" with the "official" footage for tv. Good luck, hope it works out.
I'm sure NBC/Allisports will invite and entertain all offers when the current contracts expire by their terms.

They could possibly make an exception and modify the terms of the existing contracts if the parties involved could come to an agreement of those changes but GoPro would want some compensation to do so.

The approach currently being used by Reed and 360fly is quite comical from a professional standpoint especially where they go after MX Sports instead of those that hold the rights by a valid and existing contract which is what they apparently want at minimum a portion of.

360fly definitely has a cool new product but if they want in the MX/SX game right now they will have to make a deal with GoPro and pay to play but the chances of that coming to fruition are minimal. They would feel the same way if the roles were reversed.

NBC/Allisports and GoPro won't lose a moment of sleep over whether or not Reed chooses to ever show up again at a MX/SX event.
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6/1/2015 10:46am
DC wrote:
Lumpy, this won't snowball into anything. The series already said no to spec-tire deals and spec-fuel deals because so many riders and teams have pre-existing, longterm...
Lumpy, this won't snowball into anything. The series already said no to spec-tire deals and spec-fuel deals because so many riders and teams have pre-existing, longterm relationships (like Honda/Dunlop, for instance). We don't want to get in the way of that.

The GoPro deal has been in place for years, back before they were any other POV cameras in the space, so it was made exclusive, in both SX and MX. Chad's deal was announced three days ago, and now he's threatening to quit the series unless we break a pre-existing deal with our own longterm series sponsor who has helped make the TV packages and live-streaming a reality (and why Discount Tire and Monster Energy and Shift and all of Chad's other sponsors support him in the series, and i'm guessing part of the reason why Fly360 wants to sponsor him now).

This is complicated matter, and we will try to work through it, and hopefully see Chad continue at the races this summer.

DC
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Triton wrote:
As you stated the GoPro deal was done before other players were on the market, "years" ago. Time to update the agreement so it falls in...
As you stated the GoPro deal was done before other players were on the market, "years" ago. Time to update the agreement so it falls in line with with the rest of your deals. Spec tires is a good example. Chad's deal isn't the only player and actually quite new. There have been "others" for years. The deal is outdated and anti-competitive which is against how it seems current deals are structured. An exception should be made for all riders non-GoPro, not just Chad. GoPro can still be the "official" with the "official" footage for tv. Good luck, hope it works out.
mxjef wrote:
Go-Pro needs to rethink this contract, I for one would not purchase a Go-Pro because of this.
I hate to argue on page 10 here. . . but really? Because two businesses agreed to terms several years ago, and they're living out the contract, you wouldn't buy a product with GoPro's quality? I believe you can read between the lines on DC's post. I'm hoping he's eluding to not signing an exclusivity clause with GoPro again. Sometimes you have to live out existing contracts rather than cut them off because of one butthurt rider.

Chad is the one who is in the wrong here. There are many ways to go about getting a sponsor's name out there and getting the series to reconsider one of their contractual agreements. . . He chose the pissing contest. . . You know, the one where both sides pee on each other and nobody wins but they both smell like pee in the end. . .

Threads like this only give me MUCH more respect for DC. Nothing but professionalism in his posts and in his work. Reed publicly threw him under the bus. . . but he still is looking for a way to work with Chad and wants him as a part of his series.
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6/1/2015 10:47am
I think ESPN should show up their own cameras along the track and start broadcasting their own race coverage. Who gives a shit if NBC already has a contract with the promoters. How dare those greedy bastards try and monopolize everything....

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GoPro didn't pay the racers and the racers are not issued or given GoPro's for their use. So it is an unfair advantage to only allow...
GoPro didn't pay the racers and the racers are not issued or given GoPro's for their use. So it is an unfair advantage to only allow GoPro sponsored racers to be able to use track footage while preventing other racers from using whatever they have.
ML512 wrote:
Actually, incorrect. GoPro hands out cameras to anyone participating if they want them. At Supercross, there was actually a guy that sat right at the intro...
Actually, incorrect. GoPro hands out cameras to anyone participating if they want them. At Supercross, there was actually a guy that sat right at the intro of the tunnel if you needed one (also looking for competitor's cameras)
I stand corrected. As long as there is no unfair advantage to non-GoPro riders, I have no issue with the restriction.
Do they get to keep the cameras or just use them? My guess would be they are issued for use during the race but they have to return them, but who knows.

And for all the people talking about exclusivity deals, there are lots of exclusivity deals in other sports, they are not illegal. Fuel in NASCAR comes to mind.
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6/1/2015 10:55am Edited Date/Time 6/1/2015 10:58am
Most of the jokers posting here haven't a clue about business or why/how we get to watch LIVE races on television. To an oustsider looking in this looks like Chad just trying to get what Chad wants and he has the audacity to threaten to take his ball and bat and go home if he doesn't get his way. I have wanted to post how I feel about him in the past but almost always refrain from negativity. Great rider or not he comes off like a total ass a lot of the time these days imho.
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huck wrote:
If you put up the amount of money that GoPro has, I'm sure you could make special arrangements.... Until then, 'mind your own business'...
Titan1 wrote:
How much money did GoPro put up? According to DC, this deal was set up before there were any other players in the market...so what if...
How much money did GoPro put up? According to DC, this deal was set up before there were any other players in the market...so what if they paid virtually nothing for the exclusive rights?

My point is that nobody here (besides DC) knows how much GoPro paid for the exclusive rights.
huck wrote:
True, and it's not really anybody's business how much they paid... If Reed doesn't like it, he can start his own series. The rules were posted...
True, and it's not really anybody's business how much they paid... If Reed doesn't like it, he can start his own series. The rules were posted before he took on his sponsor.
Also true.

This was a bad deal from the beginning, it never should have been signed (for the same reasons DC didn't sign exclusive Tire contracts). DC will defend it, and then change it as soon as possible (at least I hope so).
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DC wrote:
Lumpy, this won't snowball into anything. The series already said no to spec-tire deals and spec-fuel deals because so many riders and teams have pre-existing, longterm...
Lumpy, this won't snowball into anything. The series already said no to spec-tire deals and spec-fuel deals because so many riders and teams have pre-existing, longterm relationships (like Honda/Dunlop, for instance). We don't want to get in the way of that.

The GoPro deal has been in place for years, back before they were any other POV cameras in the space, so it was made exclusive, in both SX and MX. Chad's deal was announced three days ago, and now he's threatening to quit the series unless we break a pre-existing deal with our own longterm series sponsor who has helped make the TV packages and live-streaming a reality (and why Discount Tire and Monster Energy and Shift and all of Chad's other sponsors support him in the series, and i'm guessing part of the reason why Fly360 wants to sponsor him now).

This is complicated matter, and we will try to work through it, and hopefully see Chad continue at the races this summer.

DC
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And this is why Chad Reed will always be a fuckwad. He always finds a way to create problems.
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man someone sure thinks they are still relevant.............obviously Reed hasn't paid enough attention to his results the first 3 races if thinks anyone really cares if he;s there or notLaughing
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6/1/2015 11:08am Edited Date/Time 6/1/2015 11:13am
Triton wrote:
As you stated the GoPro deal was done before other players were on the market, "years" ago. Time to update the agreement so it falls in...
As you stated the GoPro deal was done before other players were on the market, "years" ago. Time to update the agreement so it falls in line with with the rest of your deals. Spec tires is a good example. Chad's deal isn't the only player and actually quite new. There have been "others" for years. The deal is outdated and anti-competitive which is against how it seems current deals are structured. An exception should be made for all riders non-GoPro, not just Chad. GoPro can still be the "official" with the "official" footage for tv. Good luck, hope it works out.
mxjef wrote:
Go-Pro needs to rethink this contract, I for one would not purchase a Go-Pro because of this.
IWreckALot wrote:
I hate to argue on page 10 here. . . but really? Because two businesses agreed to terms several years ago, and they're living out the...
I hate to argue on page 10 here. . . but really? Because two businesses agreed to terms several years ago, and they're living out the contract, you wouldn't buy a product with GoPro's quality? I believe you can read between the lines on DC's post. I'm hoping he's eluding to not signing an exclusivity clause with GoPro again. Sometimes you have to live out existing contracts rather than cut them off because of one butthurt rider.

Chad is the one who is in the wrong here. There are many ways to go about getting a sponsor's name out there and getting the series to reconsider one of their contractual agreements. . . He chose the pissing contest. . . You know, the one where both sides pee on each other and nobody wins but they both smell like pee in the end. . .

Threads like this only give me MUCH more respect for DC. Nothing but professionalism in his posts and in his work. Reed publicly threw him under the bus. . . but he still is looking for a way to work with Chad and wants him as a part of his series.
And DC Is a big man for still wanting him around. I don't see how he can put up with It, It's something new with Chad every dang year. What If all the riders started acting like Chad? I'll tell you what would happen, there would be no more series. He's a thorn In DC's side. I've owned a business for 18 years, so I've run across my fair share of Chad Reeds.
6/1/2015 11:10am
mauidex wrote:
man someone sure thinks they are still relevant.............obviously Reed hasn't paid enough attention to his results the first 3 races if thinks anyone really cares if...
man someone sure thinks they are still relevant.............obviously Reed hasn't paid enough attention to his results the first 3 races if thinks anyone really cares if he;s there or notLaughing
10 pages on the subject already, I think he is pretty relevant.
He is a smart business man. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the plan all along. Many of you had already said it, "how did he not know about no other cam besides GoPro". I think he did know and found a way to get 360fly their exposure anyways.
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Poor Chad, making threats he cant back up. So Chad is going to tell his title sponsor, Discount Tire, that he's pulling out of MX because he F'ed up and signed a contract with 360 and cant fulfill his contract obligations with them?

DC is correct, this series and TV package has become what is is in much part of GoPro and their other title sponsors? Granted I think it's a bit over the top but a contract is a contract. It's no different than the JS7 debacle, both signed to compete in a series under their rules and whamo, we have a failure to abide with the fine print.

Thankfully, Lucas understands the concept of funding a race team.
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mauidex wrote:
man someone sure thinks they are still relevant.............obviously Reed hasn't paid enough attention to his results the first 3 races if thinks anyone really cares if...
man someone sure thinks they are still relevant.............obviously Reed hasn't paid enough attention to his results the first 3 races if thinks anyone really cares if he;s there or notLaughing
10 pages on the subject already, I think he is pretty relevant. He is a smart business man. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the...
10 pages on the subject already, I think he is pretty relevant.
He is a smart business man. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the plan all along. Many of you had already said it, "how did he not know about no other cam besides GoPro". I think he did know and found a way to get 360fly their exposure anyways.
think most posts are about how irrelevant he is trying to pull crap like this.............10 pages because no one can really believe the stupidity of it all
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6/1/2015 11:22am Edited Date/Time 6/1/2015 11:27am
TeamRags wrote:
Poor Chad, making threats he cant back up. So Chad is going to tell his title sponsor, Discount Tire, that he's pulling out of MX because...
Poor Chad, making threats he cant back up. So Chad is going to tell his title sponsor, Discount Tire, that he's pulling out of MX because he F'ed up and signed a contract with 360 and cant fulfill his contract obligations with them?

DC is correct, this series and TV package has become what is is in much part of GoPro and their other title sponsors? Granted I think it's a bit over the top but a contract is a contract. It's no different than the JS7 debacle, both signed to compete in a series under their rules and whamo, we have a failure to abide with the fine print.

Thankfully, Lucas understands the concept of funding a race team.
I think the James debacle was a true and honest misunderstanding/mistake. But like Guyb stated, with Chad, his agent had to have known, but he did it anyway. One was not on purpose, and the other might have been on purpose.
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We've talked about this on the Pulpmx Show a lot, Watson and the H&H guys had problems in SX a few years ago when they had a competing company sign on. I think both promoters granting GoPro this wish is silly and should be removed but a deals a deal so there you have it.

You could definitely sell it like the GoPro camera is providing an advantage to those riders on line selection and other things and for competitive reasons, the ban on other cameras should be removed. BUT the teams that use competing cameras can't put the footage up for public viewing.

Having said that, a deals a deal and MX Sports and Feld can't be breaking agreements they've made with companies and I'm surprised that WMG would enter into ANY agreement with any camera company...they know the rules. Why sell a company on having even a chance at doing anything when you KNOW what the outcome would be?
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6/1/2015 11:46am Edited Date/Time 6/1/2015 11:49am
Matthes wrote:
We've talked about this on the Pulpmx Show a lot, Watson and the H&H guys had problems in SX a few years ago when they had...
We've talked about this on the Pulpmx Show a lot, Watson and the H&H guys had problems in SX a few years ago when they had a competing company sign on. I think both promoters granting GoPro this wish is silly and should be removed but a deals a deal so there you have it.

You could definitely sell it like the GoPro camera is providing an advantage to those riders on line selection and other things and for competitive reasons, the ban on other cameras should be removed. BUT the teams that use competing cameras can't put the footage up for public viewing.

Having said that, a deals a deal and MX Sports and Feld can't be breaking agreements they've made with companies and I'm surprised that WMG would enter into ANY agreement with any camera company...they know the rules. Why sell a company on having even a chance at doing anything when you KNOW what the outcome would be?
Totally agree... The contract stinks, but what can you do really? One thing you don't do is create your own contract while knowing damn good and well that the Gopro contract existed. But don't just stop there, oh no, make sure to threaten everyone when It doesn't go the way you dreamed it would. What the fuck Is wrong with that dude, seriously?
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6/1/2015 11:52am
I wonder how many of the people whining on this thread will own a 360 camera in the next year?
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Totally agree... The contract stinks, but what can you do really? One thing you don't do is create your own contract while knowing damn good and...
Totally agree... The contract stinks, but what can you do really? One thing you don't do is create your own contract while knowing damn good and well that the Gopro contract existed. But don't just stop there, oh no, make sure to threaten everyone when It doesn't go the way you dreamed it would. What the fuck Is wrong with that dude, seriously?
It's not a threat, he's just pointing out his realities. I think the original agreement isn't a great one for riders and teams and if..I say IF...something changes because of this then CR gets a ton of credit for speaking out on this. You never know unless you try (or speak out on it!) and that's what Reed's doing. Good on him, I wouldn't at all take this as whining, he's trying to change things for the better of HIS team and who knows if he's successful at it...maybe it does work?
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6/1/2015 11:55am
I'm sure Chad, Ellie, Fly360, and everyone else at 22 are high fiving each other on another marketing job well done....

I for one have never heard of the camera until they baited everyone with the make believe Chad Drama.

Job well done, I guess.
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6/1/2015 11:57am
If this is the case, how can Ryan Dungey drink Red Bull in front of the cameras after winning in SX?
My mind can not comprehend how such a small sport repeatedly limits itself on outside sponsors like this. Especially when it is personal sponsors per rider.

Oh, and didn't Andrew Short get FORCED to wear a GoPro camera at a SX race while BTO/KTM was sponsored by a totally different personal-use camera system? Call me silly, but that just sounds wrong.

GoPro has long had a storied legal team that has aggressively enforced any and all contracts. Something tells me this would be no different.

Once again, I'm starting to see the need for a Professional MX Racers Committee (don't say the word union!) to work on issues like this.
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6/1/2015 11:58am Edited Date/Time 6/1/2015 11:59am
Ricky Carmichael and the RCH team (I believe) AND Ryan Dungey have a SONY sponsorship... do you hear them bitching and saying that they won't race????

NO!

As for an advantage? NO. If I remember correctly any ride can borrow a gopro at the race to film "their lines"
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Matthes wrote:
It's not a threat, he's just pointing out his realities. I think the original agreement isn't a great one for riders and teams and if..I say...
It's not a threat, he's just pointing out his realities. I think the original agreement isn't a great one for riders and teams and if..I say IF...something changes because of this then CR gets a ton of credit for speaking out on this. You never know unless you try (or speak out on it!) and that's what Reed's doing. Good on him, I wouldn't at all take this as whining, he's trying to change things for the better of HIS team and who knows if he's successful at it...maybe it does work?
And that is exactly why I started this thread....
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6/1/2015 12:02pm
Atmos wrote:
If this is the case, how can Ryan Dungey drink Red Bull in front of the cameras after winning in SX? My mind can not comprehend...
If this is the case, how can Ryan Dungey drink Red Bull in front of the cameras after winning in SX?
My mind can not comprehend how such a small sport repeatedly limits itself on outside sponsors like this. Especially when it is personal sponsors per rider.

Oh, and didn't Andrew Short get FORCED to wear a GoPro camera at a SX race while BTO/KTM was sponsored by a totally different personal-use camera system? Call me silly, but that just sounds wrong.

GoPro has long had a storied legal team that has aggressively enforced any and all contracts. Something tells me this would be no different.

Once again, I'm starting to see the need for a Professional MX Racers Committee (don't say the word union!) to work on issues like this.
Dumb...

1. Monster doesn't have an 'exclusive'.
2. I can not comprehend why a rider would agree to a contract that all riders/agents know won't allow him to wear that product.
3. Andrew wasn't 'forced' to wear anything.
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6/1/2015 12:05pm
one of the best qoutes ever from legendary MX/SX promoter Bill West when dealing with sponsor issues such as this............"we're all robbin the same train"..............Cool

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