Tomac practicing on a two stroke

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Edited Date/Time 6/25/2015 7:43am
Tomac was on the PulpMX show tonight and they asked him about having to ride his two stroke during the week because his practice bike broke down. He said he rode his completely stock CR 250 with a pipe and silencer, completely stock suspension and motor, and it was only 4 seconds a lap slower than his factory 450 on his practice track.

Zach Osborne has been staying out there training and riding with him on the Husky 350 (he is riding the 350 instead of the 250 because of the power loss at elevation) Eli was running the same lap times as Zach on the Husky. In fact, it sounded like he was actually pushing Zach and trying to find a way around but he didn't really elaborate.

I think this answers some of the questions that come up regarding whether or not two strokes would be competitive with today's top riders. That scenario is almost comical.

I would hate to see what the lap times would look like if he was riding with works suspension on the two stoke and one of RC's old factory engines from 2003.
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5/18/2015 8:49pm Edited Date/Time 5/18/2015 8:50pm
The reason 2-strokes aren't competitive on a national level is due to the fact they banned leaded fuel, further hampering their abilities.
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5/18/2015 8:50pm
So what you're saying is, if he had raced the stock 2 stroke this past weekend, he would have only beaten Dungy by 35 seconds instead of 1:31? BRING BACK THE 2 STROKES!
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5/18/2015 9:01pm
video or it didn't happen
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5/18/2015 9:05pm
Stoop wrote:
video or it didn't happen
video or it didn't happen
I am fairly sure they know how to run a stopwatch out at the Tomac ranch?

Listen to the Pulp archive if you want to hear Eli talk about it.

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5/18/2015 9:16pm
250 2t in pro moto, even factory? probably buried off the start and much more difficult to make passes. I love my yz250 but i'm pretty sure they are out gunned nowadays.
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5/18/2015 9:20pm
Go back and watch some of the Canadian and Aussie nationals from last year. plenty of two stoke holeshots.
5/18/2015 9:20pm Edited Date/Time 5/18/2015 9:23pm
No wonder he rode so aggressive.

Smile

Practice on a 125 then race a 250!
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5/18/2015 9:23pm
He also said something about 6 seconds, but couldn't catch exactly what he said when he mention 6 sec. But yeah, makes me wonder what would happen if he had a factory 250 2 stroke. I think that gap of 4 sec would turn into tenths honestly.
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5/18/2015 9:23pm
Wait a second, so first Reed rides a 125 during the week and kills it the next Saturday night, and now Tomac rides a cr250 and proceeds to decimate the field the next weekend? I think I'm noticing a trend here, someone better tell RV to get a kx250 shipped over to Baghdad or wherever they are racing next!Laughing
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5/18/2015 9:35pm
JM485 wrote:
Wait a second, so first Reed rides a 125 during the week and kills it the next Saturday night, and now Tomac rides a cr250 and...
Wait a second, so first Reed rides a 125 during the week and kills it the next Saturday night, and now Tomac rides a cr250 and proceeds to decimate the field the next weekend? I think I'm noticing a trend here, someone better tell RV to get a kx250 shipped over to Baghdad or wherever they are racing next!Laughing
Derek Anderson used to ride a KX250 several days a week in Colorado and then race the 450 on the weekend because he felt it helped his corner speed.

Helped keep the parts bills down as well.
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5/18/2015 9:47pm
2 strokes are gone and not coming back. End of story
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5/18/2015 9:58pm
Vid and / or pics, dammit!!Tongue
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5/18/2015 10:01pm
moose man wrote:
2 strokes are gone and not coming back. End of story
STFU
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5/18/2015 10:09pm Edited Date/Time 5/18/2015 10:16pm
I would like to see a Terry Varner tuned KTM 250 SX run The Ranch & kick the shit out of the 250 A, B, C classes for titles...
Times have changed, 4 strokes, especially 250cc or under were once called "Turtle Chasers"

Wake me up when the Honda 150 wins the Supermini title @ the ranch...

Even if it did happen, the rider(s) probably be Black Balled in some way. Can't see it helping KTM sell 250 thumpers...
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5/18/2015 10:10pm
moose man wrote:
2 strokes are gone and not coming back. End of story
MXA quote from April 2014:

"The marriage of KTM’s engineering prowess and its management’s willingness to invest dollars into R&D has not just resulted in the best 250cc two-stroke ever made, but two-stroke sales figures that stunned their Japanese competitors. It is reported that KTM sells more two-strokes dirt bikes than most other brands sell four-strokes. That is the kind of success a manufacturer deserves when it goes out on a limb to build bikes that its competitors have declared null and void."

I think you are a bit off on your post bud.
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5/18/2015 10:25pm
I just rode with a guy who had a '15 crf450 with a grand worth of suspension work and he couldn't stay with me in the whoops. I'm Stock except for a 5.3 spring, vforce reeds and a pc pipe. But I'm old too.
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5/18/2015 10:48pm
I ran across this video of Ken de Dycker racing a smoker at a national in Belgium at the end of 2013. He is probably the biggest man in moto and he was hauling the mail on the KTM. He is definitely a badass in the sand.

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5/18/2015 10:52pm
moose man wrote:
2 strokes are gone and not coming back. End of story
Does KTM know that?
5/18/2015 11:43pm
Come to Australia and you'd think the 2-strokes weren't even "dying". 250 2-strokes are one of the most sought after bikes down here for sure. Could be due to the stock 250t's can race in the lites class rule but you see as many if not more 2-strokes than 4-strokes. Just take a look at my boy CT7's results in the MXD class of the Australian MX Nationals, beat a whole bunch of heavily modified 250f's on the 250t, same goes for second and third place, top 2 are W.A boys Cool

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5/19/2015 2:18am
Why would you worry about what lap times a guy who just put 5 seconds a lap on the entire field at the national turns compared to another dude not on his level, regardless of the whatever bike they're on... It's moot.

That would be like stating 125 two strokes were fine against 250effs because James Stewart won races on it. Whilst the rest of the field(world) languished.
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5/19/2015 2:45am
You are definitely missing the point. Are you not surprised that a rider of his caliber can go almost as fast on a 10 year old bike you could buy on Craigslist for under $2,000 than he does on a $100,000 factory backed 4 stroke?

It just validates what many have believed all along regarding the "technologically advanced" 4 strokes.

They are a joke.
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You are definitely missing the point. Are you not surprised that a rider of his caliber can go almost as fast on a 10 year old...
You are definitely missing the point. Are you not surprised that a rider of his caliber can go almost as fast on a 10 year old bike you could buy on Craigslist for under $2,000 than he does on a $100,000 factory backed 4 stroke?

It just validates what many have believed all along regarding the "technologically advanced" 4 strokes.

They are a joke.
Fact is he was faster on the 4 stroke, yes better suspension and factory HP might get him another 2 seconds a lap...but he will still be 32 seconds behind a 4 stroke in a 16 lap race.....

And you are missing the point just because a factory rider is faster on a 4 stroke doesnt mean the average Joe Bloggs is faster....fact is the average Joe Bloggs rider is faster on a 4 stroke than a 2 stroke, they are easier to ride which is why the manufacturers produce them. Joe Blogg's buys the bikes not the factory riders.
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5/19/2015 3:38am Edited Date/Time 5/19/2015 3:39am
2005 ama nationals. we know what happened the last time a 250 2t tried to race in the 450 class
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You are definitely missing the point. Are you not surprised that a rider of his caliber can go almost as fast on a 10 year old...
You are definitely missing the point. Are you not surprised that a rider of his caliber can go almost as fast on a 10 year old bike you could buy on Craigslist for under $2,000 than he does on a $100,000 factory backed 4 stroke?

It just validates what many have believed all along regarding the "technologically advanced" 4 strokes.

They are a joke.
No?

He'd fucking fly on anything if he wanted too, the 10 year old bikes were pretty capable, assuming it wasn't clapped out, RC rode a bike just like that... Aussie guys rode ones even more similar, a pipe and revalved suspension, they went fast too.... Jerry Robin qualified for Lorettas on a 85... . MX is definitely more about the rider, especially outdoors.

4 strokes are definitely easier to ride faster though and the fact that he was faster at all probably means they're more capable too.
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5/19/2015 5:16am
They are in denial Crush, your'e wasting your'e time Smile
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Go back and watch some of the Canadian and Aussie nationals from last year. plenty of two stoke holeshots.
umm that was 250 2-stroke vs 250 4-stroke, a level playing field, similar to what you are able to run in AMA non-pro racing. Not biased AMA pro racing 250 2 stroke vs 450 2-stroke.
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machine wrote:
They are in denial Crush, your'e wasting your'e time Smile
Aren't we all? haha
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5/19/2015 5:27am
That 02-07 CR frame is symmetrically close to a modern KXF frame.
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machine wrote:
They are in denial Crush, your'e wasting your'e time Smile
Crush wrote:
Aren't we all? haha
good point..haha
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5/19/2015 5:45am
Ive never seen so much "2 strokes are DEAD" butthurt than on here... Getting pissy about it too. Like someone challenged your manhood.. Tomac railed a 250 2T almost as fast as his 450. Sweet. Doesnt mean you guys have to play asshat and denounce 2T's as inferior to the almighty 4T. Its almost like watching a porn, dang that strap on was kinda cool.... Then you guys chime with, yeah well the battery powered lasts longer and is easier to operate....

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