Hangtown jump to big?

bader3245
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Sorry to be a negative Nancy, but this trend in US MX is making the sport LESS appealing for those of us who actually (used to) race and support it every weekend

This man-made jump was ludicrous and should NEVER be on a MX track. This is not what MX is about. It was a marketing ploy and obstacles like this continue to be the death of the sport.

I take Millville for example. in the early 2000's, a good C/B rider could navigate all the obstacles on that track. A B-rider might have to "huck" a jump that was easily clearable by the pros, but it was doable. They have made it so that even the local A guys on Amateur day have a real struggle with that stuff. For the 90% of the riders that show up to camp/ride/spectate the pro race, this stuff is impossible & disheartening and takes the fun right out of the weekend from the riding stand point. Every obstacle of pro MX is not supposed to rival X-Games Freestyle jumps.

Many local tracks are following suit by making bigger and badder jumps. After getting hurt in 2013 on the Millville Chadapult, I have all but hung up the boots. Being a 30+ B rider is apparently not good enough to have fun anymore.

Jump for show, corner for dough has been passed up. It is now Jump for Dough, corners are boring.
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5/17/2015 4:37pm
mark_swart wrote:
When I first saw the press day pic, I thought was a bad idea, because what I pictured was four of these guys going for it...
When I first saw the press day pic, I thought was a bad idea, because what I pictured was four of these guys going for it at the same time and having something sketchy happen. Seeing it on the broadcast, and seeing that it was SO big that only a handful ever went for it, actually changed my opinion of it. It allowed the best to do something that others couldn't. It allowed 450s to do something that 250s couldn't (but full props to AC for trying it!). And it had a forgiving enough landing that coming up short didn't end anyone's day.

IMO it was fine.
Great minds think alike RE changing our initial impression. Hey I am a scratch for the State Championship due to my hernia. Speaking of scratch with the work I will be missing don't think it will be in the cards to drop 300 bucks plus to fly over to spectate. God luck!
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5/17/2015 4:39pm
bader3245 wrote:
Sorry to be a negative Nancy, but this trend in US MX is making the sport LESS appealing for those of us who actually (used to)...
Sorry to be a negative Nancy, but this trend in US MX is making the sport LESS appealing for those of us who actually (used to) race and support it every weekend

This man-made jump was ludicrous and should NEVER be on a MX track. This is not what MX is about. It was a marketing ploy and obstacles like this continue to be the death of the sport.

I take Millville for example. in the early 2000's, a good C/B rider could navigate all the obstacles on that track. A B-rider might have to "huck" a jump that was easily clearable by the pros, but it was doable. They have made it so that even the local A guys on Amateur day have a real struggle with that stuff. For the 90% of the riders that show up to camp/ride/spectate the pro race, this stuff is impossible & disheartening and takes the fun right out of the weekend from the riding stand point. Every obstacle of pro MX is not supposed to rival X-Games Freestyle jumps.

Many local tracks are following suit by making bigger and badder jumps. After getting hurt in 2013 on the Millville Chadapult, I have all but hung up the boots. Being a 30+ B rider is apparently not good enough to have fun anymore.

Jump for show, corner for dough has been passed up. It is now Jump for Dough, corners are boring.
Sorry for your injury. I didn't think anyone got hurt on big jumps after reading threads here. Are you done racing or coming back I hope?
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5/17/2015 4:45pm
bader3245 wrote:
Sorry to be a negative Nancy, but this trend in US MX is making the sport LESS appealing for those of us who actually (used to)...
Sorry to be a negative Nancy, but this trend in US MX is making the sport LESS appealing for those of us who actually (used to) race and support it every weekend

This man-made jump was ludicrous and should NEVER be on a MX track. This is not what MX is about. It was a marketing ploy and obstacles like this continue to be the death of the sport.

I take Millville for example. in the early 2000's, a good C/B rider could navigate all the obstacles on that track. A B-rider might have to "huck" a jump that was easily clearable by the pros, but it was doable. They have made it so that even the local A guys on Amateur day have a real struggle with that stuff. For the 90% of the riders that show up to camp/ride/spectate the pro race, this stuff is impossible & disheartening and takes the fun right out of the weekend from the riding stand point. Every obstacle of pro MX is not supposed to rival X-Games Freestyle jumps.

Many local tracks are following suit by making bigger and badder jumps. After getting hurt in 2013 on the Millville Chadapult, I have all but hung up the boots. Being a 30+ B rider is apparently not good enough to have fun anymore.

Jump for show, corner for dough has been passed up. It is now Jump for Dough, corners are boring.
This isn't just toward you so please don't take this as a personal shot, but some of you guys are getting rediculous about this. Were any of you guys at the race that are complaining about the jump? I'm going to guess no, because if you were there you would understand how rediculous some of the things being said are. This is not a do or die jump, it was very well built and by the crowd reaction every time someone hit the triple it was a major success. The old section was just two little jumps that really added nothing to the track, this however created an awesome new feature for fans to see and really added some excitement to the race. This was not a freestyle jump, nor was it dangerous, so before people from far away pass judgment on something they didn't see in person they might want to take into account what those who were present have said about it. It looked like it could have used a little more run-in, but other than that it seemed perfect.

Seriously, give it a rest already, the track was incredible as was the event. Dirt Diggers and DC keep doing what your doing, every year the event improves and this was no exception.

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5/17/2015 4:47pm Edited Date/Time 5/17/2015 4:52pm
Some of you would have complained when DeCoster did his first cross up.

People seem to be dealing with this as some abstraction. It wasn't even close to an SX feature. It's basically the same jump that's been on this area for about 20 years without any comment whatsoever only now with about five more feet of dirt piled on it. There were other places on he track more treacherous in terms of the likelihood and severity getting wrong were a lot higher. It probably wouldn't look as bad if they could have grass, but that ain't Prairie City.

What Dunge and Tomac were doing was a bit like that pass RC put on Windham in 03 (?) at Binghamton when he hucked a double into a triple. Something just barely possible that only the best can do. That's a huge part of going to a pro race.

It's terribly placed for photography, with poor sight lines and those power poles that seem to curse most tracks, and it doesn't do a thing to put a photogenic jump that encourages whips at that track.
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5/17/2015 4:51pm
Moto810 wrote:
Maybe 145 feet would be better? Adam came up about 5 feet short the first time! He went for it though.
Completely off-topic but after seeing Adam's speed at the beginning of the first moto yesterday and the fact that he's the only one on a 250 to nut up and go for that jump, I predict he will be winning soon and absolutely dominate Supercross next year.
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5/17/2015 7:14pm
bader3245 wrote:
Sorry to be a negative Nancy, but this trend in US MX is making the sport LESS appealing for those of us who actually (used to)...
Sorry to be a negative Nancy, but this trend in US MX is making the sport LESS appealing for those of us who actually (used to) race and support it every weekend

This man-made jump was ludicrous and should NEVER be on a MX track. This is not what MX is about. It was a marketing ploy and obstacles like this continue to be the death of the sport.

I take Millville for example. in the early 2000's, a good C/B rider could navigate all the obstacles on that track. A B-rider might have to "huck" a jump that was easily clearable by the pros, but it was doable. They have made it so that even the local A guys on Amateur day have a real struggle with that stuff. For the 90% of the riders that show up to camp/ride/spectate the pro race, this stuff is impossible & disheartening and takes the fun right out of the weekend from the riding stand point. Every obstacle of pro MX is not supposed to rival X-Games Freestyle jumps.

Many local tracks are following suit by making bigger and badder jumps. After getting hurt in 2013 on the Millville Chadapult, I have all but hung up the boots. Being a 30+ B rider is apparently not good enough to have fun anymore.

Jump for show, corner for dough has been passed up. It is now Jump for Dough, corners are boring.
JM485 wrote:
This isn't just toward you so please don't take this as a personal shot, but some of you guys are getting rediculous about this. Were any...
This isn't just toward you so please don't take this as a personal shot, but some of you guys are getting rediculous about this. Were any of you guys at the race that are complaining about the jump? I'm going to guess no, because if you were there you would understand how rediculous some of the things being said are. This is not a do or die jump, it was very well built and by the crowd reaction every time someone hit the triple it was a major success. The old section was just two little jumps that really added nothing to the track, this however created an awesome new feature for fans to see and really added some excitement to the race. This was not a freestyle jump, nor was it dangerous, so before people from far away pass judgment on something they didn't see in person they might want to take into account what those who were present have said about it. It looked like it could have used a little more run-in, but other than that it seemed perfect.

Seriously, give it a rest already, the track was incredible as was the event. Dirt Diggers and DC keep doing what your doing, every year the event improves and this was no exception.
Amen JM485. I stood in that section during practice and the reaction from the crowd was priceless. If you had the speed out of the corner (which tomac did) they just sailed it. If you didn't you just doubled. No problem. The riders were not forced to jump it. Did anyone get carted off because they failed to make it? No. These are pro motocross racers not pro ice skaters. Safe for the pro's and safe for the not so pros... we need these jumps to grow the sport. sorry to say it but its true.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg8AGOZzWYc&feature=youtu.be

how is this not pure moto... listen to the crowd.. it was awesome!!!!

I have been riding since the late 80's so I think I have a good perspective on the progress of the sport. I was more negative on the halfpipe but after seeing it in person it was a really great addition to the track!
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5/17/2015 8:44pm Edited Date/Time 5/17/2015 8:45pm
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bvm111 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg8AGOZzWYc&feature=youtu.be how is this not pure moto... listen to the crowd.. it was awesome!!!! I have been riding since the late 80's so I think I...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg8AGOZzWYc&feature=youtu.be

how is this not pure moto... listen to the crowd.. it was awesome!!!!

I have been riding since the late 80's so I think I have a good perspective on the progress of the sport. I was more negative on the halfpipe but after seeing it in person it was a really great addition to the track!
Piece of cake.....
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5/18/2015 5:10am
Just Lucky the jump was sponsored by FLY and not FOX!

For marketing purposes if it was fox it would have been at least 30 foot longer and been the FOX 180, or they could have gone for a crack at a FOX 360!
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bader3245 wrote:
Sorry to be a negative Nancy, but this trend in US MX is making the sport LESS appealing for those of us who actually (used to)...
Sorry to be a negative Nancy, but this trend in US MX is making the sport LESS appealing for those of us who actually (used to) race and support it every weekend

This man-made jump was ludicrous and should NEVER be on a MX track. This is not what MX is about. It was a marketing ploy and obstacles like this continue to be the death of the sport.

I take Millville for example. in the early 2000's, a good C/B rider could navigate all the obstacles on that track. A B-rider might have to "huck" a jump that was easily clearable by the pros, but it was doable. They have made it so that even the local A guys on Amateur day have a real struggle with that stuff. For the 90% of the riders that show up to camp/ride/spectate the pro race, this stuff is impossible & disheartening and takes the fun right out of the weekend from the riding stand point. Every obstacle of pro MX is not supposed to rival X-Games Freestyle jumps.

Many local tracks are following suit by making bigger and badder jumps. After getting hurt in 2013 on the Millville Chadapult, I have all but hung up the boots. Being a 30+ B rider is apparently not good enough to have fun anymore.

Jump for show, corner for dough has been passed up. It is now Jump for Dough, corners are boring.
I think the "big" jump is great on pro day, but agree with above post for weekend warriors don't need that stuff on the track for local races
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5/18/2015 5:28am
It was a great addition to the track - some of the best racing happens in the air.
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5/18/2015 6:07am
Jump was good. Crowd loved it. Stop being a baby about a big jump. There called pros for a reason. Flat tracks with turns are boring, big jumps make the racing good
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bader3245 wrote:
Sorry to be a negative Nancy, but this trend in US MX is making the sport LESS appealing for those of us who actually (used to)...
Sorry to be a negative Nancy, but this trend in US MX is making the sport LESS appealing for those of us who actually (used to) race and support it every weekend

This man-made jump was ludicrous and should NEVER be on a MX track. This is not what MX is about. It was a marketing ploy and obstacles like this continue to be the death of the sport.

I take Millville for example. in the early 2000's, a good C/B rider could navigate all the obstacles on that track. A B-rider might have to "huck" a jump that was easily clearable by the pros, but it was doable. They have made it so that even the local A guys on Amateur day have a real struggle with that stuff. For the 90% of the riders that show up to camp/ride/spectate the pro race, this stuff is impossible & disheartening and takes the fun right out of the weekend from the riding stand point. Every obstacle of pro MX is not supposed to rival X-Games Freestyle jumps.

Many local tracks are following suit by making bigger and badder jumps. After getting hurt in 2013 on the Millville Chadapult, I have all but hung up the boots. Being a 30+ B rider is apparently not good enough to have fun anymore.

Jump for show, corner for dough has been passed up. It is now Jump for Dough, corners are boring.
Totally disagree considering this jump was about as safe as you could make it, even if you came up short on the step up double it's still a fairly flat bit of dirt and there's no big face to land into like a SX jump.
5/18/2015 8:04am
after standing next to it during the race it was awesome seeing guys go big. if everyone was able to do it it woulndt be that...
after standing next to it during the race it was awesome seeing guys go big. if everyone was able to do it it woulndt be that awesome. second if you watch footage from 2003 hangtown it used to be a table top then a roller down the hill. back then it wasnt thought of to be some massive triple. i personally never liked the second jump down the hill
I liked the second jump personally.

Guys like Baggett would hip it and land on the embankment of the hill on the right hand side to get out of the bumps. It was awesome seeing him thread the needle and land on something that small at that angle. Now that creativity is gone. Just pin it or don't.
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I have always thought the best racing takes place on the ground and not floating through the air.

If you are going to make huge jumps in outdoor MX then use this one as a model, for a 150'er it seemed pretty safe for those that came up a little short. I thought this Hangtown track was one of the best from the Dirtdiggers
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5/18/2015 9:13am
Fucking pussies, I say make it 300' and give em a long straight before they hit it. Make it a table top so it's safe though......

Why the fuck not? They claim to be the best in the world .

PS Whining about people whining is still whining you whiners.
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5/18/2015 11:02am
Is everyone forgetting the days where 125's couldn't clear all the jumps on a SX track much less an outdoor MX track?............It seems like it the same guys complaining? Reward those who have the skill/balls to take the risk just like in real life. Or are we now wanting to "dumb down" MX just like other sports so everyone is a winner?...................
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5/18/2015 1:24pm
The Rock wrote:
Great minds think alike RE changing our initial impression. Hey I am a scratch for the State Championship due to my hernia. Speaking of scratch with...
Great minds think alike RE changing our initial impression. Hey I am a scratch for the State Championship due to my hernia. Speaking of scratch with the work I will be missing don't think it will be in the cards to drop 300 bucks plus to fly over to spectate. God luck!
Rock that is a bummer and I hope your recovery goes well, I'm just glad we got to meet up last year! Looks like the championship will be my last race in Hawaii, we are moving to Tacoma, Washington in late-July. Hawaii has been fun but I can't wait to see what moto has to offer in the PNW and hopefully get a chance to race Washougal one day.
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5/18/2015 1:26pm
hah, can't make this shit up bros
5/18/2015 8:08pm
SlowMoFo wrote:
Too big? Double and roll it, hell that's what I do with every triple anyways!
KMC440 wrote:
Mine goes single to face single to face single to flat land clutch it hard and wheelie !!

Not for the weak.
hahah had a good laugh at this!! thanks

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