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GuyB 5/16/2015 10:13pm
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bsharkey wrote:
nice pic guyb what section was this
Before the rollers.
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Seamorbutts 5/16/2015 11:23pm
5/16/2015 11:23pm Edited Date/Time 5/16/2015 11:24pm
I think they shouldn't plow so dang deep. I understand wanting it to rut up, but today seemed ridiculous. And for ya'll couch potatoes, tv doesn't do those ruts (or bumps for that matter) justice. Freestone never looked near as bad as hangtown on tv, but In person It was bad. I can only imagine how much worse hangtown was like in person today.
Edge-Of-Adhesion 5/16/2015 11:28pm
5/16/2015 11:28pm
JMR1976 wrote:
Just shows there's all kinds of rough. Can't say any of the GP tracks were much rougher then that.
Outsider wrote:
Man, I disagree.. I only know from the comfort of my couch but watching the GP's the tracks get waayy more square edge choppy shit than...
Man, I disagree.. I only know from the comfort of my couch but watching the GP's the tracks get waayy more square edge choppy shit than national tracks. Reminds me of tracks we'd ride in the hills outside of Reno.. just beat the living shit out of you and honestly weren't all that fun.

Hangtown looked rough but not like that... rutty yes, but much faster.

JMO
I agree and it's all down to the composition of the soil which is much more dense and less forgiving in Europe than California.

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Chadillac661 5/16/2015 11:39pm
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It was a very rough track, yawn. It was a very exciting race. Yawn. Pump it up, it was non competitive waste of time and boring...
It was a very rough track, yawn.
It was a very exciting race. Yawn.
Pump it up, it was non competitive waste of time and boring. Is this all the AMA has to offer the masses now. This was a pathetic show and deep down everyone knows the hype and hope couldn't be realised. Another disappointment after disappointment, yawn.
Are you sure you were on the right channel?

I saw an amazing race, lots of upsets and surprises and quite possibly the best Hangtown track we have ever seen?



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plowboy 5/16/2015 11:50pm
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The Source wrote:
It was a very rough track, yawn. It was a very exciting race. Yawn. Pump it up, it was non competitive waste of time and boring...
It was a very rough track, yawn.
It was a very exciting race. Yawn.
Pump it up, it was non competitive waste of time and boring. Is this all the AMA has to offer the masses now. This was a pathetic show and deep down everyone knows the hype and hope couldn't be realised. Another disappointment after disappointment, yawn.
Chadillac661 wrote:
Are you sure you were on the right channel? I saw an amazing race, lots of upsets and surprises and quite possibly the best Hangtown track...
Are you sure you were on the right channel?

I saw an amazing race, lots of upsets and surprises and quite possibly the best Hangtown track we have ever seen?



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The Source wrote:
It was a very rough track, yawn. It was a very exciting race. Yawn. Pump it up, it was non competitive waste of time and boring...
It was a very rough track, yawn.
It was a very exciting race. Yawn.
Pump it up, it was non competitive waste of time and boring. Is this all the AMA has to offer the masses now. This was a pathetic show and deep down everyone knows the hype and hope couldn't be realised. Another disappointment after disappointment, yawn.
Chadillac661 wrote:
Are you sure you were on the right channel? I saw an amazing race, lots of upsets and surprises and quite possibly the best Hangtown track...
Are you sure you were on the right channel?

I saw an amazing race, lots of upsets and surprises and quite possibly the best Hangtown track we have ever seen?



He is just a miserable douche, that is all.
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IceMan446 5/17/2015 12:08am
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Wait, I thought the National tracks don't get rough and are groomed after every moto and the GP tracks were the only ones to get rough?

Who knew.
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Chadillac661 5/17/2015 12:31am
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The Source wrote:
It was a very rough track, yawn. It was a very exciting race. Yawn. Pump it up, it was non competitive waste of time and boring...
It was a very rough track, yawn.
It was a very exciting race. Yawn.
Pump it up, it was non competitive waste of time and boring. Is this all the AMA has to offer the masses now. This was a pathetic show and deep down everyone knows the hype and hope couldn't be realised. Another disappointment after disappointment, yawn.
Chadillac661 wrote:
Are you sure you were on the right channel? I saw an amazing race, lots of upsets and surprises and quite possibly the best Hangtown track...
Are you sure you were on the right channel?

I saw an amazing race, lots of upsets and surprises and quite possibly the best Hangtown track we have ever seen?



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He is just a miserable douche, that is all.
I think maybe he needs to watch table tennis or something more his speed?
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Seamorbutts wrote:
I think they shouldn't plow so dang deep. I understand wanting it to rut up, but today seemed ridiculous. And for ya'll couch potatoes, tv doesn't...
I think they shouldn't plow so dang deep. I understand wanting it to rut up, but today seemed ridiculous. And for ya'll couch potatoes, tv doesn't do those ruts (or bumps for that matter) justice. Freestone never looked near as bad as hangtown on tv, but In person It was bad. I can only imagine how much worse hangtown was like in person today.
yeah, that make sense about not going too deep, you got to watch riders don't start dragging footpegs on a straight near
the face of a jump
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Crush 5/17/2015 1:53am
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The Source wrote:
It was a very rough track, yawn. It was a very exciting race. Yawn. Pump it up, it was non competitive waste of time and boring...
It was a very rough track, yawn.
It was a very exciting race. Yawn.
Pump it up, it was non competitive waste of time and boring. Is this all the AMA has to offer the masses now. This was a pathetic show and deep down everyone knows the hype and hope couldn't be realised. Another disappointment after disappointment, yawn.
Chadillac661 wrote:
Are you sure you were on the right channel? I saw an amazing race, lots of upsets and surprises and quite possibly the best Hangtown track...
Are you sure you were on the right channel?

I saw an amazing race, lots of upsets and surprises and quite possibly the best Hangtown track we have ever seen?



plowboy wrote:
X2
x2.5...

I didn't mind the prep, it's pretty standard for the US and though i'd love to see some more variety I also understand why they do it.

On the other hand, I didn't like the addition of the 150 and the step up before the old finish line, that fucked that section up and the 150 doesn't encourage good racing... The long ruts did slow them up a bit but also think it kind of hurt racing, I liked the track around 2010/11/12, it was a bit more square edge and the turns were opened up.


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Derpin' DJ 5/17/2015 1:58am
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I liked the 150. I'm sure it would have been even better in person.

I thought the step-up was good- it needed to be hit clean, and it made a difference if you cased it.
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jock 5/17/2015 2:34am
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What is the obsession with ruts? Flat corner, no berm, no rut, fuck it, lets boycott this shit.

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Crush 5/17/2015 2:36am
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
I liked the 150. I'm sure it would have been even better in person. I thought the step-up was good- it needed to be hit clean...
I liked the 150. I'm sure it would have been even better in person.

I thought the step-up was good- it needed to be hit clean, and it made a difference if you cased it.
You used to see quite a lot of passing in both those sections tho... now it was more about the jump. Sure an opportunity to make time, but it definitely removed passing opportunities.
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PressPassP 5/17/2015 2:45am
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The Source wrote:
It was a very rough track, yawn. It was a very exciting race. Yawn. Pump it up, it was non competitive waste of time and boring...
It was a very rough track, yawn.
It was a very exciting race. Yawn.
Pump it up, it was non competitive waste of time and boring. Is this all the AMA has to offer the masses now. This was a pathetic show and deep down everyone knows the hype and hope couldn't be realised. Another disappointment after disappointment, yawn.
Outsider wrote:
Today was far more impressive and exciting racing then any GP.. Watching GP's is like looking out the window in GBR in the morning.. another gray...
Today was far more impressive and exciting racing then any GP.. Watching GP's is like looking out the window in GBR in the morning.. another gray, boring day... LOL
LOL indeed,the last races that most here probably tuned to watch RV had 4 or more guys upfront within seconds of each other all race,passing and the racing really tight

I think it's down to the tracks that the AMA gets more strung out,the 250s were better than the 450s though,I thought we might have seen some fireworks there but Tomac did an RV job on them
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Crush 5/17/2015 2:54am
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jock wrote:
What is the obsession with ruts? Flat corner, no berm, no rut, fuck it, lets boycott this shit.

How'd ya fantasy team finish up bud?
dirtaddict 5/17/2015 3:07am
5/17/2015 3:07am
The Source wrote:
It was a very rough track, yawn. It was a very exciting race. Yawn. Pump it up, it was non competitive waste of time and boring...
It was a very rough track, yawn.
It was a very exciting race. Yawn.
Pump it up, it was non competitive waste of time and boring. Is this all the AMA has to offer the masses now. This was a pathetic show and deep down everyone knows the hype and hope couldn't be realised. Another disappointment after disappointment, yawn.
I bet you collect stamps too
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GuyB 5/17/2015 4:38am
5/17/2015 4:38am Edited Date/Time 5/17/2015 4:38am
Chadillac661 wrote:
I think maybe he needs to watch table tennis or something more his speed?
He gets to watch from the sidelines for a while.
Harry Backmon 5/17/2015 5:53am
5/17/2015 5:53am
GuyB wrote:
He gets to watch from the sidelines for a while.
Good choice, Gibby. That guy is a bomb thrower. He's not the only one, but I'm sure you'll get to the others before much longer.

Back to the subject. I thought the track looked brutal. I can't imagine what it looked like there in person.

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overthebars39 5/17/2015 6:06am
5/17/2015 6:06am
Track sure looked better then Spain. Whistling The racing was not that exciting apart from the first moto of the lites (altough allot was going on behind the front runners at every moto). But you can't blame the track for that. The only real annoyance are the US commercials....

Can't wait for Glenn Helen. Smile
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This coach warrior thought it was killer, all the poons whine...there's always checkers or Housewives of Beverly Hills marathons
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NV825 5/17/2015 6:14am
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Crush wrote:
x2.5... I didn't mind the prep, it's pretty standard for the US and though i'd love to see some more variety I also understand why they...
x2.5...

I didn't mind the prep, it's pretty standard for the US and though i'd love to see some more variety I also understand why they do it.

On the other hand, I didn't like the addition of the 150 and the step up before the old finish line, that fucked that section up and the 150 doesn't encourage good racing... The long ruts did slow them up a bit but also think it kind of hurt racing, I liked the track around 2010/11/12, it was a bit more square edge and the turns were opened up.


I think the jump worked out perfectly as expected. If done correctly, the jump was much faster and a rider could make up time on another rider if they jumped the whole thing. I never made it over to watch it up close, but even from a far the jump was REALLY big looking. It added a lot of excitement and fans cheered in my section everytime Tomac or Dunge would hit it. Watching Tomac land off the downhill triple and rail the outside and do a sort of fading/body whip 150 ft. where he leads the whip with more of his body (like Josh Hansen has perfected) was a thing of beauty.
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joeellis 5/17/2015 6:28am
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brimx153 wrote:
well done on the most stupid post of the day :) :) :) . you still cant say that GP riders are fast . imo tomac...
well done on the most stupid post of the day Smile Smile Smile . you still cant say that GP riders are fast . imo tomac would be outside the top 3 today if the GP guy s were there
Another perfect example the two wrongs don't make a right. Dry
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Crush 5/17/2015 6:33am
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I think the jump worked out perfectly as expected. If done correctly, the jump was much faster and a rider could make up time on another...
I think the jump worked out perfectly as expected. If done correctly, the jump was much faster and a rider could make up time on another rider if they jumped the whole thing. I never made it over to watch it up close, but even from a far the jump was REALLY big looking. It added a lot of excitement and fans cheered in my section everytime Tomac or Dunge would hit it. Watching Tomac land off the downhill triple and rail the outside and do a sort of fading/body whip 150 ft. where he leads the whip with more of his body (like Josh Hansen has perfected) was a thing of beauty.
But is a 150ft jump really a good way to separate guys?

Think about it, some, as in quite a few, of the very best guys in the world weren't doing it consistently.

Was there any passing happening there?
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NV825 5/17/2015 6:37am
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GuyB wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/05/16/91326/s1200_4Q2A0440.jpg[/img]


bsharkey wrote:
nice pic guyb what section was this
GuyB wrote:
Before the rollers.
I saw AC50 almost lose his front end and end up having to semi walk his bike through these ruts in the end of moto 2. It was brutal. I saw Filthy Phil get flipped in practice in the same section too.
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machine 5/17/2015 9:01am
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That track was damn rough, hence all the carnage. It was just as rough as any GP track. I applaud the change, hopefully we will keep seeing rough tracks throughout the year. Then maybe we will be used to it come MXDN time.
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chrisbuehler 5/17/2015 11:08am
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That track was damn rough, hence all the carnage. It was just as rough as any GP track. I applaud the change, hopefully we will keep...
That track was damn rough, hence all the carnage. It was just as rough as any GP track. I applaud the change, hopefully we will keep seeing rough tracks throughout the year. Then maybe we will be used to it come MXDN time.
I think 2009 was the last year they really went to town grooming the tracks between moto's.I remember Reedy complaining why did he train hard all week to ride smooth tracks. Since then the tracks have been knarly every year. Do they touch up a dangerous jump face or section? Sometimes but thats it. I've watched every National since then and the tracks are rough as shit. The GP's are rough in their own way, why are we constantly comparings two different series? We're just a lowly National Championship, not like the WORLD CHAMPION$HIP GP's. The dirt is similar at most of our tracks so they rut up and get rough the same way. Sorry we have beautiful loamy soil at our tracks not hard packed pieces of shit awful looking tracks like in the GP's. Oh yeah they have sand there too. Ok, I'm just fucking around now. Our tracks are rough, the GP's are rough. Their rider's bad as hell and have the advantage at their tracks. Likewise if they were to come and race our series, we have the upper hand.
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NV825 5/17/2015 11:39am
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I think the jump worked out perfectly as expected. If done correctly, the jump was much faster and a rider could make up time on another...
I think the jump worked out perfectly as expected. If done correctly, the jump was much faster and a rider could make up time on another rider if they jumped the whole thing. I never made it over to watch it up close, but even from a far the jump was REALLY big looking. It added a lot of excitement and fans cheered in my section everytime Tomac or Dunge would hit it. Watching Tomac land off the downhill triple and rail the outside and do a sort of fading/body whip 150 ft. where he leads the whip with more of his body (like Josh Hansen has perfected) was a thing of beauty.
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But is a 150ft jump really a good way to separate guys? Think about it, some, as in quite a few, of the very best guys...
But is a 150ft jump really a good way to separate guys?

Think about it, some, as in quite a few, of the very best guys in the world weren't doing it consistently.

Was there any passing happening there?
I think yes in this certain situation. I was there and saw Tomac and Dungey hit it almost every lap, and both made it look easy. A few more guys started jumping it consistently like Peick and Anderson. A whole bunch of the top riders went for it on the first or second lap of the second moto like Pourcel, Reed, a couple more Kawasaki guys. If they are the best in the world, and the leaders are hitting it fine every lap, then it doesn't make it a bad feature if every rider can't do it. The double wasn't much slower, but it was faster to do the triple because it required the rider to carry a ton of momentum starting at the right hand turn before it. I didn't hear of a single rider getting hurt on it either.
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brimx153 5/17/2015 12:43pm
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well done on the most stupid post of the day :) :) :) . you still cant say that GP riders are fast . imo tomac...
well done on the most stupid post of the day Smile Smile Smile . you still cant say that GP riders are fast . imo tomac would be outside the top 3 today if the GP guy s were there
joeellis wrote:
Another perfect example the two wrongs don't make a right. Dry
true . but saying RV would be slower than 3 rd. is kind of an big insult to RV. and the only reason he said it is to insult the GP riders , as well . but ur right i should nt of used tomac name to say he was wrong . as he could easy win in GP s. just the same crap in every thread by him
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motomike137 5/17/2015 12:48pm
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NV825 wrote:
I think yes in this certain situation. I was there and saw Tomac and Dungey hit it almost every lap, and both made it look easy...
I think yes in this certain situation. I was there and saw Tomac and Dungey hit it almost every lap, and both made it look easy. A few more guys started jumping it consistently like Peick and Anderson. A whole bunch of the top riders went for it on the first or second lap of the second moto like Pourcel, Reed, a couple more Kawasaki guys. If they are the best in the world, and the leaders are hitting it fine every lap, then it doesn't make it a bad feature if every rider can't do it. The double wasn't much slower, but it was faster to do the triple because it required the rider to carry a ton of momentum starting at the right hand turn before it. I didn't hear of a single rider getting hurt on it either.
I think the 150 ended up being a very good addition because it was an advanced obstacle once the track was rutted up. It gave the guys who did it cleanly the added bonus of a small breather while in the air. As for the half pipe I think Marvin showed us why that was a cool little section also.
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RY4N37 5/17/2015 1:43pm
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RV could have stopped to change a wheel mid moto and still been top 3

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