Are tracks in Cali going to have to cut back on watering?

Wasatch Rider 4/2/2015 1:25pm
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Not unless they get their water from municipal sources.

The res is its own country. They do what they want for the most part.

For the above, A full Folsom doesnt mean much. Its not that deep.
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hvaughn88 wrote:
Aren't you guys in California close to a pretty large body of water?Tongue
Cygnus wrote:
Water a track with salt water? Woohoo
Perhaps I should have used more emoticons.
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Will have to man up and practice on dry dusty hard pack like they did in the 80's!
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What lakes are you talking about? You can barely get a boat on Benbrook lake. Eagle Mountain is still SUPER low. The water at our lake...
What lakes are you talking about? You can barely get a boat on Benbrook lake. Eagle Mountain is still SUPER low. The water at our lake house is about 5 yards past our dock. I was able to ride the dirt bike around the lake a couple of weekends ago. We need a good 2 weeks of solid rain to fill them up. I remember 7 or 8 years ago we got some hellacious floods that filled the lakes up. I'd take that again just to not have to worry about the water situation.
Lewisville, Grapevine and Ray Hubbard.

If you want info on lake levels you can check this out. http://www.lakelevels.info/?StateID=TX

I drive by Lake Lewisville and Lake Ray Hubbard pretty routinely and mountain bike next to Lake Grapevine. Some of the lakes are certainly still down but they look a heck of a lot better than they did 2 years ago.
Wasatch Rider 4/2/2015 1:33pm
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NV825 wrote:
I am praying we get some late season snow and rain storms.
March and April usually brings some heavy snow and rains to the western states and even into May and June Ive seen 3-4 foot dumps, but the weather patterns arent looking good.


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Northern California needs to turn off the taps to Southern and we'd be fine. Wink We have gotten plenty of rain to survive but it wasn't saved because we couldn't build anything that would upset the the spotted cheese worm. Yeah libs.
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Wasatch Rider wrote:
Not unless they get their water from municipal sources. The res is its own country. They do what they want for the most part. For the...
Not unless they get their water from municipal sources.

The res is its own country. They do what they want for the most part.

For the above, A full Folsom doesnt mean much. Its not that deep.
Wrong. While they have plenty of water rights but it's still covered by the government and strict regulations. I have studied water quite a bit.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_law_in_the_United_States
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Just kill off farming and CA will have all the water they need for dust control and watering lawns.


In the desert.
That was tongue in cheek right ? Without farming in California good luck with food prices.

Two simple facts explain why: California is the most productive agricultural state in the union, and agriculture uses 80 percent of California’s water. In a year with practically none of the stuff, that’s enough to send ripple effects throughout the country.

California is the nation’s leading producer of almonds, avocados, broccoli, carrots, cauliflower, grapes, lettuce, milk, onions, peppers, spinach, tomatoes, walnuts, and dozens of other commodities, according to a 2012 Department of Agriculture report (PDF). The state produces one-third of our vegetables and two-thirds of our nuts and fruits each year. While fields in iconic agricultural states like Iowa, Kansas, and Texas primarily produce grain (most of which is used to fatten animals), pretty much everything you think of as actual food is grown in California. Simply put: We can’t eat without California.
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"But the fact is that California’s 2014 water crisis is actually the result of 20 years of accumulated environmental regulation that makes fish more important than people, jobs, our local and state economies and the food California farmers grow that feeds you, the nation and the world."

http://www.familiesprotectingthevalley.com/news.php?ax=v&n=10&id=10&nid=386

http://naturalresources.house.gov/issues/issue/?IssueID=5921
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Just a bit of info:

There are two types of water rights, Riparian and Prior Appropriation. For the most part, Riparian rights are seen in the east and appropriation in the west, east and west being determined by the 20" rainfall line (roughly the Mississippi River).

In the case of a drought, if you have riparian rights, all WR owners proportionately cut back on water usage. If you have appropriation rights, it's first in time = first in right, so Senior rights holders have priority of junior rights holders, hence the name prior appropriation.

I think California is actually a hybrid system where public lands are appropriations and private lands are riparian. So, essentially, if there's a cutback on water, it means ALL private owners and most likely junior rights holders of public lands.
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The bad part is that when it does rain significantly, all we hear about are mudslides resulting in destruction.
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NV825 4/2/2015 3:30pm
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NV825 wrote:
I am praying we get some late season snow and rain storms.
Wasatch Rider wrote:
March and April usually brings some heavy snow and rains to the western states and even into May and June Ive seen 3-4 foot dumps, but...
March and April usually brings some heavy snow and rains to the western states and even into May and June Ive seen 3-4 foot dumps, but the weather patterns arent looking good.


This time last year we got a decent dumping of snow. They are forecasting some snow through the beginning of next week but not enough to make any type of impact. We'll take anything right now, beggars can't be choosers.
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I lived in cali from 1970 through 2004, not sure what the state or people were thinking, socal has always been a desert. They kept on building houses and not controlling the border. I feel for my family, but a lot of people got rich in realesate, and now it's time to pay. My own opinion the state and federal government don,t control the weather but they sure enabled the over development of a desert that never really had the resources to support such a large population. I wish everyone good luck cuz I think it will get pretty desperate.
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moto45 wrote:
"But the fact is that California’s 2014 water crisis is actually the result of 20 years of accumulated environmental regulation that makes fish more important than...
"But the fact is that California’s 2014 water crisis is actually the result of 20 years of accumulated environmental regulation that makes fish more important than people, jobs, our local and state economies and the food California farmers grow that feeds you, the nation and the world."

http://www.familiesprotectingthevalley.com/news.php?ax=v&n=10&id=10&nid=386

http://naturalresources.house.gov/issues/issue/?IssueID=5921
I have a feeling that many of those environmental regulations are going to go the way of the dodo bird when push comes to shove. The people are generally fine with the green fairies running the show, as long as they are comfortable, and have plenty to eat and drink. However, when water becomes scarce/expensive, the citizens of the state will probably start demanding change. Ol' Moonbeam may have to tell his radical environmentalist buddies to take a hike.
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Dtat720 wrote:
Cali wouldnt have this water problem if they had researched some of the water projects and river projects that have diverted water away from the valley...
Cali wouldnt have this water problem if they had researched some of the water projects and river projects that have diverted water away from the valley and in some cases, the state.. Cali water being sold to nevada. Upstate water being diverted from the valley to the bay area, completely cutting a source out from mid state. Its been happening for decades. Just the past 2 decades the impact is being felt. Or a more recent one, diverting a river to protect a minnow from farming industry... That is where the water is going. You change the water based landscape, you dont get the waterbased landscape. Hence no snow.
IceMan446 wrote:
This.

Politicians and tree huggers get the blame.
Thats a good one,,,, Politicians an tree huggers kept the rain from falling..

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Aceofspades 4/2/2015 3:44pm
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moto45 wrote:
"But the fact is that California’s 2014 water crisis is actually the result of 20 years of accumulated environmental regulation that makes fish more important than...
"But the fact is that California’s 2014 water crisis is actually the result of 20 years of accumulated environmental regulation that makes fish more important than people, jobs, our local and state economies and the food California farmers grow that feeds you, the nation and the world."

http://www.familiesprotectingthevalley.com/news.php?ax=v&n=10&id=10&nid=386

http://naturalresources.house.gov/issues/issue/?IssueID=5921
'The Law Of Unintended Consequences'. Also known as "reality", and is usually the result of Liberal policies enacted by people who have no clue as to what theyre doing.
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Glen Helen is listening. Tongue
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This is from Wikipedia.
California has 17 desalination plants in the works, either partially constructed or through exploration and planning phases.[148] The list of locations includes Bay Point, in the Delta, Redwood City, seven in the Santa Cruz / Monterey Bay, Cambria, Oceaneo, Redondo Beach, Huntington Beach, Dana Point, Camp Pendleton, Oceanside and Carlsbad.

Carlsbad: The United States' largest desalination plant is being constructed by Poseidon Resources and is expected to go online 2016.[149] It is expected to produce 50 million gallons a day to 110,000 customers in San Diego County at an estimated cost of $1b.
Concord: Planned to open in 2020, producing 20 million gallons a day.
Monterey County: Sand City, two miles north of Monterey, with a population of 334, is the only city in California completely supplied with water from a desalination plant.
Santa Barbara: The Charles Meyer Desalination Facility[150] was constructed in Santa Barbara, California, in 1991–92 as a temporary emergency water supply in response to severe drought. While it has a high operating cost, the facility only needs to operate infrequently, allowing Santa Barbara to use its other supplies more extensively.
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bonafide wrote:
This is from Wikipedia. California has 17 desalination plants in the works, either partially constructed or through exploration and planning phases.[148] The list of locations includes...
This is from Wikipedia.
California has 17 desalination plants in the works, either partially constructed or through exploration and planning phases.[148] The list of locations includes Bay Point, in the Delta, Redwood City, seven in the Santa Cruz / Monterey Bay, Cambria, Oceaneo, Redondo Beach, Huntington Beach, Dana Point, Camp Pendleton, Oceanside and Carlsbad.

Carlsbad: The United States' largest desalination plant is being constructed by Poseidon Resources and is expected to go online 2016.[149] It is expected to produce 50 million gallons a day to 110,000 customers in San Diego County at an estimated cost of $1b.
Concord: Planned to open in 2020, producing 20 million gallons a day.
Monterey County: Sand City, two miles north of Monterey, with a population of 334, is the only city in California completely supplied with water from a desalination plant.
Santa Barbara: The Charles Meyer Desalination Facility[150] was constructed in Santa Barbara, California, in 1991–92 as a temporary emergency water supply in response to severe drought. While it has a high operating cost, the facility only needs to operate infrequently, allowing Santa Barbara to use its other supplies more extensively.
Maybe pumping seawater to desalination plants will counteract the rising seas levels due to the polar ice caps melting and then just maybe my house won't be under water in 20 years like the local news reported last week. Tongue
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You guys have no idea about extended drought and water shortages. Try living in the driest continent on earth...
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Spartacus wrote:
Just kill off farming and CA will have all the water they need for dust control and watering lawns.


In the desert.
MotoMalyDad wrote:
That was tongue in cheek right ? Without farming in California good luck with food prices. Two simple facts explain why: California is the most productive...
That was tongue in cheek right ? Without farming in California good luck with food prices.

Two simple facts explain why: California is the most productive agricultural state in the union, and agriculture uses 80 percent of California’s water. In a year with practically none of the stuff, that’s enough to send ripple effects throughout the country.

California is the nation’s leading producer of almonds, avocados, broccoli, carrots, cauliflower, grapes, lettuce, milk, onions, peppers, spinach, tomatoes, walnuts, and dozens of other commodities, according to a 2012 Department of Agriculture report (PDF). The state produces one-third of our vegetables and two-thirds of our nuts and fruits each year. While fields in iconic agricultural states like Iowa, Kansas, and Texas primarily produce grain (most of which is used to fatten animals), pretty much everything you think of as actual food is grown in California. Simply put: We can’t eat without California.
Thats a croc of BS. The reason the midwest only grows corn and not many of these other foods is cause corn pays way more as it subsidized out the wazoo, Cut government funding for corn and the rest of the country can go back to growing food and California can return to the desert it was meant to be.
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And everybody laughed at me when I started drinking my own piss a few years ago.......who's laughing now............
Thanks for conserving.




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It depends on whether they have their own wells, ponds, etc.

I was at Glen Helen today, and they do have to deal with it, and on windy days like today it doesn't help. It was pretty dusty.

They can get some reclaimed water from their neighbors, and will make use of that for this weekend's Loretta's Area qualifier, and I'm sure the same will go for the National.
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Damn, better get a good start...
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Dx3moto wrote:
Glen Helen is listening. :P [img]https://four10photos.smugmug.com/Other/TH27RideDay/i-jL9wCqv/0/XL/IMG_4677-XL.jpg[/img]
Glen Helen is listening. Tongue
poor air filter, national better not be like this

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