What's eating Ryan Villopoto?

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That_Guy 4/1/2015 8:30am
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why dont everyone just agree that the euros arent as shitty as many of you thought and that theyre top riders are as fast as the american top riders and the riders on each side of the lake have a homefield advantage because theyre more used too those tracks which is why rv2 could kill everyone at budds because hes been riding budds since he was born so when racing the gp guys on tracks theyre used to he is going to not just kill everyone as predicted
just admit that if you took top guys from gps and top guys from the us no matter what country their from youd have a great race
rv2 isnt the god of moto many of you thought
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hvaughn88 4/1/2015 8:32am
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That_Guy wrote:
why dont everyone just agree that the euros arent as shitty as many of you thought and that theyre top riders are as fast as the...
why dont everyone just agree that the euros arent as shitty as many of you thought and that theyre top riders are as fast as the american top riders and the riders on each side of the lake have a homefield advantage because theyre more used too those tracks which is why rv2 could kill everyone at budds because hes been riding budds since he was born so when racing the gp guys on tracks theyre used to he is going to not just kill everyone as predicted
just admit that if you took top guys from gps and top guys from the us no matter what country their from youd have a great race
rv2 isnt the god of moto many of you thought
Please tell me the grammar is an april fool's joke.
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RY4N37 4/1/2015 8:33am
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That_Guy wrote:
why dont everyone just agree that the euros arent as shitty as many of you thought and that theyre top riders are as fast as the...
why dont everyone just agree that the euros arent as shitty as many of you thought and that theyre top riders are as fast as the american top riders and the riders on each side of the lake have a homefield advantage because theyre more used too those tracks which is why rv2 could kill everyone at budds because hes been riding budds since he was born so when racing the gp guys on tracks theyre used to he is going to not just kill everyone as predicted
just admit that if you took top guys from gps and top guys from the us no matter what country their from youd have a great race
rv2 isnt the god of moto many of you thought
And breathe
mikebrownsound 4/1/2015 8:36am
4/1/2015 8:36am Edited Date/Time 4/1/2015 8:45am
That_Guy wrote:
why dont everyone just agree that the euros arent as shitty as many of you thought and that theyre top riders are as fast as the...
why dont everyone just agree that the euros arent as shitty as many of you thought and that theyre top riders are as fast as the american top riders and the riders on each side of the lake have a homefield advantage because theyre more used too those tracks which is why rv2 could kill everyone at budds because hes been riding budds since he was born so when racing the gp guys on tracks theyre used to he is going to not just kill everyone as predicted
just admit that if you took top guys from gps and top guys from the us no matter what country their from youd have a great race
rv2 isnt the god of moto many of you thought
There is a handful of them shit talking each continent. I have no problem denying that Ryan got straight up beaten in some motos and ofc i have huge respect for the GP`s, they are top notch and Cairoli is one of the best in the world at riding GP ´motocross or he is the best at riding GP´s motocross. Desalle, Nagl, etc they are not far behind they are quality riders, but i still believe in Ryan and i believe he is more than capable to beat these guys , he just need more time , i was never one of those who thought it was going to be a walk in the park, drop teh gate and adios, especially not since he´s been of for 1,5 year of racing outdoor.

Everything talks against ryan but he already got a overall and top five in points after three rounds, i think he get where he wants to be soon. And i have no doubt he can challenge Tony for this titel and actually personal opinion i believe he is better than desalle, nagl , paulin etc, he just have to feel comfy.

( and i also admit that i thought he was going to be better) not dominate the series but being on pair from the start.

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jamma10 4/1/2015 8:47am
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TMV wrote:
With the decade of experience the team has in the GPs, if they were really dictating him anything, I can tell you he wouldn't have ridden...
With the decade of experience the team has in the GPs, if they were really dictating him anything, I can tell you he wouldn't have ridden that chopper in Qatar...
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When RV forms his own Independent team like DP19 he can have any setting he believes will work for him. RV is just a hired rider...
When RV forms his own Independent team like DP19 he can have any setting he believes will work for him. RV is just a hired rider on the flagship Kawasaki Factory Racing Team. This team has been developing & engineering the Kawasaki bikes on your showroom floor for years. They have no production rule to follow like in the AMA, they can design and build any bike RV can dream of. RV's lack of experience in the GP's has become painfully visible in the ongoing bewilderment of finding "settings" that work considering that KRT has had no prior problems having a GP level bike on the gate.The only major change to the KRT team has been the replacement of their riders for this season, connect the dots.
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As pointed out already, how has that attitude (if it actually even exists) worked out for Kawasaki when it comes to championships in the MXGP/MX1/450 class...
As pointed out already, how has that attitude (if it actually even exists) worked out for Kawasaki when it comes to championships in the MXGP/MX1/450 class over the last decade? Apparently they've had lots of problems developing a championship winning bike, based on the lack of championships.

If they want to continue to not win titles, then not listening to what your racer wants is an excellent plan to meet that goal.
The only real problem they've had is riders staying healthy and a little Sicilian guy who happens to be pretty good.

This is Paulin winning the Qatar GP last year with KRT


This is Paulin again on his way to a race win at Arco di Trento last year


This is KRT rider Paulin finishing 2nd overall in Bulgaria having won the opening moto


This is Paulin breaking his collarbone at round six at Valkenswaard after winning the opening moto


This is Paulin winning the last race of 2014 in Mexico after returning from injury


Here are two KRT 450's last September


mikebrownsound 4/1/2015 8:50am
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The only real problem they've had is riders staying healthy and a little Sicilian guy who happens to be pretty good. This is Paulin winning the...
The only real problem they've had is riders staying healthy and a little Sicilian guy who happens to be pretty good.

This is Paulin winning the Qatar GP last year with KRT


This is Paulin again on his way to a race win at Arco di Trento last year


This is KRT rider Paulin finishing 2nd overall in Bulgaria having won the opening moto


This is Paulin breaking his collarbone at round six at Valkenswaard after winning the opening moto


This is Paulin winning the last race of 2014 in Mexico after returning from injury


Here are two KRT 450's last September


Has this anything to do with Ryan ? KRT is still not a team with plenty of championships to rely on What works for paulin with KYB suspension wotn work for ryan ?
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jamma10 4/1/2015 8:57am
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mikebrownsound wrote:
Has this anything to do with Ryan ? KRT is still not a team with plenty of championships to rely on What works for paulin with...
Has this anything to do with Ryan ? KRT is still not a team with plenty of championships to rely on What works for paulin with KYB suspension wotn work for ryan ?
People are beginning to doubt the teams credentials because they don't have a title, Im just pointing out the fact that they do know how to win races.
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TMV 4/1/2015 9:09am
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jamma10 wrote:
People are beginning to doubt the teams credentials because they don't have a title, Im just pointing out the fact that they do know how to...
People are beginning to doubt the teams credentials because they don't have a title, Im just pointing out the fact that they do know how to win races.
Once they will have listed all the possible reasons for Ryan's good but not so incredible start of season maybe some will listen to what He has to say about it and stop looking for excuses...
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GuyB 4/1/2015 9:13am
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That_Guy wrote:
why dont everyone just agree that the euros arent as shitty as many of you thought and that theyre top riders are as fast as the...
why dont everyone just agree that the euros arent as shitty as many of you thought and that theyre top riders are as fast as the american top riders and the riders on each side of the lake have a homefield advantage because theyre more used too those tracks which is why rv2 could kill everyone at budds because hes been riding budds since he was born so when racing the gp guys on tracks theyre used to he is going to not just kill everyone as predicted
just admit that if you took top guys from gps and top guys from the us no matter what country their from youd have a great race
rv2 isnt the god of moto many of you thought
hvaughn88 wrote:
Please tell me the grammar is an april fool's joke.
He's just being that guy.
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RY4N37 4/1/2015 9:14am
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mikebrownsound wrote:
Has this anything to do with Ryan ? KRT is still not a team with plenty of championships to rely on What works for paulin with...
Has this anything to do with Ryan ? KRT is still not a team with plenty of championships to rely on What works for paulin with KYB suspension wotn work for ryan ?
jamma10 wrote:
People are beginning to doubt the teams credentials because they don't have a title, Im just pointing out the fact that they do know how to...
People are beginning to doubt the teams credentials because they don't have a title, Im just pointing out the fact that they do know how to win races.
You're bang on in what you're saying. If a teams credentials was based purely on titles, then nobody in the paddock apart from KTM are good enough. There's plenty of teams in that paddock, and KRT is one of them, that have a great bike, very clever mechanics and technicians with great knowledge on how to set up a bike for GP racing, they just don't have Antonio Cairoli
mikebrownsound 4/1/2015 9:16am
4/1/2015 9:16am Edited Date/Time 4/1/2015 11:02am
mikebrownsound wrote:
Has this anything to do with Ryan ? KRT is still not a team with plenty of championships to rely on What works for paulin with...
Has this anything to do with Ryan ? KRT is still not a team with plenty of championships to rely on What works for paulin with KYB suspension wotn work for ryan ?
jamma10 wrote:
People are beginning to doubt the teams credentials because they don't have a title, Im just pointing out the fact that they do know how to...
People are beginning to doubt the teams credentials because they don't have a title, Im just pointing out the fact that they do know how to win races.
No one doubt their capability to win? Did you make that up? Just saying that they got no championship experience, cause they have not won any major titel?.

I think KRT is a excellent team, but still, what works for paulin wont work for RV, so how is the guys from KRT suppose to tell Ryan this is what we run deal with it, i think they probably tested plenty of things, and tbh i dont think Ryan likes the setup of a gp bike just beacuse he is not used to it ( he needs time), its a far cry from what he is used to ride. So how is he suppose to listen to them and stick with it, my personal opinion is that they just have to search together and i think they came along way since Qatar, that was just bad in my opinion, and tbh i think alot of it is his way to aproach the qualify race? conserve energy instead of charging and waste so much energy, but that is just speculation by me
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Olson 4/1/2015 9:20am
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No one doubt their capability to win? Did you make that up? Just saying that they got no championship experience, cause they have not won any...
No one doubt their capability to win? Did you make that up? Just saying that they got no championship experience, cause they have not won any major titel?.

I think KRT is a excellent team, but still, what works for paulin wont work for RV, so how is the guys from KRT suppose to tell Ryan this is what we run deal with it, i think they probably tested plenty of things, and tbh i dont think Ryan likes the setup of a gp bike just beacuse he is not used to it ( he needs time), its a far cry from what he is used to ride. So how is he suppose to listen to them and stick with it, my personal opinion is that they just have to search together and i think they came along way since Qatar, that was just bad in my opinion, and tbh i think alot of it is his way to aproach the qualify race? conserve energy instead of charging and waste so much energy, but that is just speculation by me
Ever heard of a thing called "Quote Last Post Only"?
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TMV 4/1/2015 9:21am
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mikebrownsound wrote:
No one doubt their capability to win? Did you make that up? Just saying that they got no championship experience, cause they have not won any...
No one doubt their capability to win? Did you make that up? Just saying that they got no championship experience, cause they have not won any major titel?.

I think KRT is a excellent team, but still, what works for paulin wont work for RV, so how is the guys from KRT suppose to tell Ryan this is what we run deal with it, i think they probably tested plenty of things, and tbh i dont think Ryan likes the setup of a gp bike just beacuse he is not used to it ( he needs time), its a far cry from what he is used to ride. So how is he suppose to listen to them and stick with it, my personal opinion is that they just have to search together and i think they came along way since Qatar, that was just bad in my opinion, and tbh i think alot of it is his way to aproach the qualify race? conserve energy instead of charging and waste so much energy, but that is just speculation by me
In Qatar maybe they should have told him a word or two cause he rode with the settings he was used to and missed all the ruts...
mikebrownsound 4/1/2015 9:23am
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Ever heard of a thing called "Quote Last Post Only"?
Tried three times it didnt work, the website did not want to load thats why i reposted. Byt u cab Quote this for some reason. Google chrome jacks with me hehe.
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APLMAN99 4/1/2015 9:26am
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When RV forms his own Independent team like DP19 he can have any setting he believes will work for him. RV is just a hired rider...
When RV forms his own Independent team like DP19 he can have any setting he believes will work for him. RV is just a hired rider on the flagship Kawasaki Factory Racing Team. This team has been developing & engineering the Kawasaki bikes on your showroom floor for years. They have no production rule to follow like in the AMA, they can design and build any bike RV can dream of. RV's lack of experience in the GP's has become painfully visible in the ongoing bewilderment of finding "settings" that work considering that KRT has had no prior problems having a GP level bike on the gate.The only major change to the KRT team has been the replacement of their riders for this season, connect the dots.
APLMAN99 wrote:
As pointed out already, how has that attitude (if it actually even exists) worked out for Kawasaki when it comes to championships in the MXGP/MX1/450 class...
As pointed out already, how has that attitude (if it actually even exists) worked out for Kawasaki when it comes to championships in the MXGP/MX1/450 class over the last decade? Apparently they've had lots of problems developing a championship winning bike, based on the lack of championships.

If they want to continue to not win titles, then not listening to what your racer wants is an excellent plan to meet that goal.
jamma10 wrote:
The only real problem they've had is riders staying healthy and a little Sicilian guy who happens to be pretty good. This is Paulin winning the...
The only real problem they've had is riders staying healthy and a little Sicilian guy who happens to be pretty good.

This is Paulin winning the Qatar GP last year with KRT


This is Paulin again on his way to a race win at Arco di Trento last year


This is KRT rider Paulin finishing 2nd overall in Bulgaria having won the opening moto


This is Paulin breaking his collarbone at round six at Valkenswaard after winning the opening moto


This is Paulin winning the last race of 2014 in Mexico after returning from injury


Here are two KRT 450's last September


After 3 rounds last year, the top KRT rider was 30 points off the leader. This year the top KRT rider is 27 points from the leader. This is with the speculation that the rider isn't gelling with the team's idea of how a bike should be set up.

Again, the last decade has been pretty good for Villopoto winning championships. It hasn't been as good for KRT by a long shot. Perhaps if you want to win championships, you might start by consulting a champion.
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Olson 4/1/2015 9:28am
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Tried three times it didnt work, the website did not want to load thats why i reposted. Byt u cab Quote this for some reason. Google...
Tried three times it didnt work, the website did not want to load thats why i reposted. Byt u cab Quote this for some reason. Google chrome jacks with me hehe.
No worries, I just lose interest in a thread when the same 45 pictures are quoted over and over. On the other hand, I lose interest in RV, AMA vs MXGP, 2 stroke vs 4 strokes threads after the second post anyway.
mikebrownsound 4/1/2015 9:28am
4/1/2015 9:28am Edited Date/Time 4/1/2015 9:36am
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In Qatar maybe they should have told him a word or two cause he rode with the settings he was used to and missed all the...
In Qatar maybe they should have told him a word or two cause he rode with the settings he was used to and missed all the ruts...
Agreed. Well we all have our opinions how a bike "should work" DV said some words on pulp etc, They working their butts of, and i hope it clicks for him soon , if it does he probably contend for the top spot of the podium.. Like we all pointed out he dosent look comfy, but thats the beauty of racing to, adapt and learn and its only round 3. But no matter how much Ryan is "struggling" right now " wich is not to bad since he is still top 4-5 in points, got a overall etc. People cant take anything away from nagl, desalle, cairoli they are doing great. And i never thought Clement was going to lead the series by now so i am most impressed by him steady as a rock and consistent
scottydogmx 4/1/2015 9:57am
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All I hope is that whatever is eating RV gets ate before its too late and then it doesn't matter how many times he stands on the top step he won't bring home the crown jewels ,with the other contenders ( probably AC, but who knows?) just doing enough to wear the crown.
On the other hand that may make RV want to do another year because he will have felt robbed, in which case us fans will be the winners.
I just want to see good racing right up to Glen !Smile

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PressPassP 4/1/2015 2:41pm
4/1/2015 2:41pm Edited Date/Time 4/1/2015 2:42pm
mikebrownsound wrote:
No one doubt their capability to win? Did you make that up? Just saying that they got no championship experience, cause they have not won any...
No one doubt their capability to win? Did you make that up? Just saying that they got no championship experience, cause they have not won any major titel?.

I think KRT is a excellent team, but still, what works for paulin wont work for RV, so how is the guys from KRT suppose to tell Ryan this is what we run deal with it, i think they probably tested plenty of things, and tbh i dont think Ryan likes the setup of a gp bike just beacuse he is not used to it ( he needs time), its a far cry from what he is used to ride. So how is he suppose to listen to them and stick with it, my personal opinion is that they just have to search together and i think they came along way since Qatar, that was just bad in my opinion, and tbh i think alot of it is his way to aproach the qualify race? conserve energy instead of charging and waste so much energy, but that is just speculation by me
I'm with you that what works for one guy doesn't always work for another but Ryan was quoted during pre season testing etc as saying he was happy with things,using mostly what he knows and minimal extra factory stuff,he's gone back and forth across the pond,then had top suspension guys try to work things out after Qatar,was scorching in Thailand but maybe he faded and/or then the competition responded had 2-3 weeks of,testing and practicing again in Europe and then was damn fast in Thailand

I'd say with a timeline of that magnitude that surely they're working together,his first ride in Europe was mid October

KRT are indeed a great team and know their stuff over a decade of the GP's,the tracks develop differently over 2 days,even the fly aways,the top guys' race times often ebb and flow over a race or Moto,suggesting arm pump like AC in the qualifying race,dropping 1-2 seconds for a few laps,also suggesting the track changing

It could be possible to "chase the set-up",I know Strijbos runs a lot of the same settings and rides through it,just some my thoughts again,make of it what you will Smile
mikebrownsound 4/1/2015 2:54pm
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PressPassP wrote:
I'm with you that what works for one guy doesn't always work for another but Ryan was quoted during pre season testing etc as saying he...
I'm with you that what works for one guy doesn't always work for another but Ryan was quoted during pre season testing etc as saying he was happy with things,using mostly what he knows and minimal extra factory stuff,he's gone back and forth across the pond,then had top suspension guys try to work things out after Qatar,was scorching in Thailand but maybe he faded and/or then the competition responded had 2-3 weeks of,testing and practicing again in Europe and then was damn fast in Thailand

I'd say with a timeline of that magnitude that surely they're working together,his first ride in Europe was mid October

KRT are indeed a great team and know their stuff over a decade of the GP's,the tracks develop differently over 2 days,even the fly aways,the top guys' race times often ebb and flow over a race or Moto,suggesting arm pump like AC in the qualifying race,dropping 1-2 seconds for a few laps,also suggesting the track changing

It could be possible to "chase the set-up",I know Strijbos runs a lot of the same settings and rides through it,just some my thoughts again,make of it what you will Smile
You got some interesting points. I do have to say he was gambling a bit when he opted not to race preseason to get a feel for the bike in race situation and how to get some nervs of the back. I actually ( po) that he thought he was as good or felt like he was going to performe just as he left of in 2011 or maybe " not exactly as good" but not far from it, and he got caught by suprise a bit at Qatar. But yeah its not over and Ryan usually starts of with kinda so so performance til he gets into shape and a good setup and then he just kills it, not saying that would be the case but its quite common with him.
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h&m_cycle 4/1/2015 3:14pm
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After 3 rounds last year, the top KRT rider was 30 points off the leader. This year the top KRT rider is 27 points from the...
After 3 rounds last year, the top KRT rider was 30 points off the leader. This year the top KRT rider is 27 points from the leader. This is with the speculation that the rider isn't gelling with the team's idea of how a bike should be set up.

Again, the last decade has been pretty good for Villopoto winning championships. It hasn't been as good for KRT by a long shot. Perhaps if you want to win championships, you might start by consulting a champion.
Maybe they are as fast or faster then he is... Fuck the des nations, that's like going by the Ryder Cup.
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You're bang on in what you're saying. If a teams credentials was based purely on titles, then nobody in the paddock apart from KTM are good...
You're bang on in what you're saying. If a teams credentials was based purely on titles, then nobody in the paddock apart from KTM are good enough. There's plenty of teams in that paddock, and KRT is one of them, that have a great bike, very clever mechanics and technicians with great knowledge on how to set up a bike for GP racing, they just don't have Antonio Cairoli
There is the possibility that the "setup" confusion is due to a lack actual competitive track time in preseason and having to perform "preseason" adjustments with a new rider/style on 3 tracks without much prior data to rely on while in the points race. Now that they are back on familiar tracks with mega data in their possession on those track's unique setup requirements maybe we will see a different side of RV & Tyla. The "they just don't have Antonio Cairoli" line is priceless.
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dean122 4/1/2015 4:27pm
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All of this non-sense banter because of a one liner from Casey Stoner in an interview. We have no idea what the relationship is between KRT and RV and all this opinion sounding off as fact means absolutely nada.

And for all the numnuts thinking RV is heavier, take a look at his instagram photos of him chair lifting in his hotel for exercise. His bodyweight looks on point. You can't take one or two photos of him just after a brutal moto with his hair jacked, beard on full tilt and muscles all pumped up and translate that to eating quarter pounders at will. Some of you sound like complete fools.
mikebrownsound 4/1/2015 4:38pm
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The Source wrote:
There is the possibility that the "setup" confusion is due to a lack actual competitive track time in preseason and having to perform "preseason" adjustments with...
There is the possibility that the "setup" confusion is due to a lack actual competitive track time in preseason and having to perform "preseason" adjustments with a new rider/style on 3 tracks without much prior data to rely on while in the points race. Now that they are back on familiar tracks with mega data in their possession on those track's unique setup requirements maybe we will see a different side of RV & Tyla. The "they just don't have Antonio Cairoli" line is priceless.
for once i agree with what you say.
mikebrownsound 4/1/2015 4:39pm
4/1/2015 4:39pm Edited Date/Time 4/1/2015 5:02pm
dean122 wrote:
All of this non-sense banter because of a one liner from Casey Stoner in an interview. We have no idea what the relationship is between KRT...
All of this non-sense banter because of a one liner from Casey Stoner in an interview. We have no idea what the relationship is between KRT and RV and all this opinion sounding off as fact means absolutely nada.

And for all the numnuts thinking RV is heavier, take a look at his instagram photos of him chair lifting in his hotel for exercise. His bodyweight looks on point. You can't take one or two photos of him just after a brutal moto with his hair jacked, beard on full tilt and muscles all pumped up and translate that to eating quarter pounders at will. Some of you sound like complete fools.
Who said anything about his weight? I think Ryan looks as fit as ever.
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dean122 4/1/2015 4:52pm
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mikebrownsound wrote:
Who said anything about his weight? I think Ryan looks as fit as ever.
It's been talked about throughout this entire thread. Seamorebutts for example.
thegoblin 4/1/2015 4:53pm
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jamma10 wrote:
Before Qatar Stoner also said in an interview that he felt Cairoli has only been dominant in the GPs because his opposition has been weak!

So....


Stoner also said, just before his retirement, that Valentino Rossi was over and done for. Little did he know...
mikebrownsound 4/1/2015 5:07pm
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dean122 wrote:
It's been talked about throughout this entire thread. Seamorebutts for example.
Thats just crazy!
The Source 4/1/2015 5:28pm
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The Source wrote:
There is the possibility that the "setup" confusion is due to a lack actual competitive track time in preseason and having to perform "preseason" adjustments with...
There is the possibility that the "setup" confusion is due to a lack actual competitive track time in preseason and having to perform "preseason" adjustments with a new rider/style on 3 tracks without much prior data to rely on while in the points race. Now that they are back on familiar tracks with mega data in their possession on those track's unique setup requirements maybe we will see a different side of RV & Tyla. The "they just don't have Antonio Cairoli" line is priceless.
mikebrownsound wrote:
for once i agree with what you say.
Sorry about that.
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mikebrownsound wrote:
for once i agree with what you say.
But how many times ca the same shit be said over and over and over and over and over and over and FUCK IT!

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