What's eating Ryan Villopoto?

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SquidBro 3/29/2015 11:30pm
3/29/2015 11:30pm Edited Date/Time 3/29/2015 11:32pm
So if the series moved to the U.S for the remainder of the season R.V would win it no matter who showed up? ?

Forgot to quote your post madmax.
madmaxperformance 3/29/2015 11:37pm
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So if the series moved to the U.S for the remainder of the season R.V would win it no matter who showed up? ? Forgot to...
So if the series moved to the U.S for the remainder of the season R.V would win it no matter who showed up? ?

Forgot to quote your post madmax.
No. I don't believe he would. Top guys from all over the world, he would not win every race.
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He is "right there"? My friend, I'll help you with your math, if Desalle just keeps coming in 2nd without winning any motos ,RV "Mr Right...
He is "right there"? My friend, I'll help you with your math, if Desalle just keeps coming in 2nd without winning any motos ,RV "Mr Right There" would have to win the next 9 motos in a row just to tie the current Red Plate holder. You consider that being "right there". You do realise they are now returning to the real tracks in Europe. I would consider lowering your expectations of "Mr Right there" to a realistic lower top ten in points if he manages to make it to the end of the season, For a rookie"s first GP season I personally would consider that a very good season and a thumbs up with respect for RV.
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You'll be one of the guys that are shocked when the season ends and RV is in the lead in points. But go ahead and keep...
You'll be one of the guys that are shocked when the season ends and RV is in the lead in points. But go ahead and keep doing your trolling , it makes you look more dumb with every post. " Mr California ". Never even been to a GP I bet.
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Jeffro just stop. Everytime you open your mouth about MXGPs you prove you know nothing about them. Why not just watch them for a year or...
Jeffro just stop. Everytime you open your mouth about MXGPs you prove you know nothing about them. Why not just watch them for a year or two and learn something.
I hate to break it to you there sparky , but I've been following the GP's since the Lackey and Laporte days. Probably longer than you have been alive to be honest. So don't tell me what I know and what I don't. Jesus Christ....I could whip out some old VHS tapes from the early 80's on the GP's I recorded off of TV. Your post about my GP knowledge is about as retarded as you thinking you know me or anything about me.
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Mikeyam187 3/29/2015 11:58pm
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I don't get why some people are saying that RV needs to learn "that style of racing".
Fast is Fast, however it is accomplished...sure, its different for him, being out of the Country all of the time and that surely affects his performance but he will more than likely work it out. I just think he is not 100% yet, due to his time off from racing. He has shown that he has their speed but just not every lap. My only worry is that with 4 major contenders in the class, it might be too late by mid season, if thats what it takes for him to hit his peak. I have no doubt that he is the best guy on the track if he was 100%.
Desalle, Nagle and Krollie are excellent though and this is without a doubt, the best GP season in many, many years!

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Sideways 3/30/2015 12:18am
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I have read all the posts on this "whats eating RV thread" People mentioning lack of race time, new series, fitness, setup (correct), faster series, slower...
I have read all the posts on this "whats eating RV thread" People mentioning lack of race time, new series, fitness, setup (correct), faster series, slower series etc... No one mentioned his qualifying race on a perfect track. Everyone was giving it 100% and RV set the fastest lap time at 1.46.5 and went from 10th to within a second of first. It rains over night, the track changes and gets more cut up. Nothing else has changed. First moto and RV is off the pace and comes back shaking his head, In between moto's they changed his bike setup then comes out second moto to stay within a few seconds of the leaders at the end.
Logic dictates that a major factor in Argentina was that he struggled with Bike Setup for changing conditions.



No one is giving 100% in the quali race except poto.
Nagl even mentioned letting RV by so he can see what lines he took.
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Sideways 3/30/2015 12:29am
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By not dominating, there's something wrong with him? Who would be naive enough to believe that someone could hop over to a new series, race in...
By not dominating, there's something wrong with him?

Who would be naive enough to believe that someone could hop over to a new series, race in new countries & tracks, on a new team & new bike (essentially,) after coming back from a major knee injury and not having had raced Motocross in 1 year, 6 months and 4 days (Lake Elsinore National on 8/24/2013) against riders who've been doing this for years.

Just to be competitive at this point is pretty badass. If you rewatch some of the 450 outdoor nationals in the past, RV didn't exactly set the world on fire the first couple rounds. He's getting way too over-analyzed right now. Wink

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Just to expand on your 2nd paragraph, leaving speed aside I think a lot of Americans have totally under-estimated the challenge any US rider faces in...
Just to expand on your 2nd paragraph, leaving speed aside I think a lot of Americans have totally under-estimated the challenge any US rider faces in the first year riding GPs.

Every single aspect of RV's personal and professional life will be COMPLETELY different to what he's grown up with. And it isn't just different once, he has to adjust to 15+ different cultures in the space of just 7 months. The Euros are brought up traveling to different countries from an early age and are used to adjustment. It's for that reason I think it's easier for Euros to go over and race the AMA nationals because they only have to adjust once. RV was always going to be disadvantaged.

It's a shame he's only planned one season in MXGP because he's only a few seconds off the pace and the experience of a year would have made all the difference in my view.

You guys are totally overreacting with the "The GPs are totaly different and hes not used to the travel and the food etc, the setuo is all wrong" comments.

Why would the travel be so hard on RV and not the others? RV has never been in a plane before? Food and culture has nothing to do with ut. The teams have there own food and the chefs makes whatever food they want. These excuses im reading are just lame. RV is doing well against tougher competition, hes getting better but its not going to be easy.
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Rewindcaz wrote:
By not dominating, there's something wrong with him? Who would be naive enough to believe that someone could hop over to a new series, race in...
By not dominating, there's something wrong with him?

Who would be naive enough to believe that someone could hop over to a new series, race in new countries & tracks, on a new team & new bike (essentially,) after coming back from a major knee injury and not having had raced Motocross in 1 year, 6 months and 4 days (Lake Elsinore National on 8/24/2013) against riders who've been doing this for years.

Just to be competitive at this point is pretty badass. If you rewatch some of the 450 outdoor nationals in the past, RV didn't exactly set the world on fire the first couple rounds. He's getting way too over-analyzed right now. Wink

Edge-Of-Adhesion wrote:
Just to expand on your 2nd paragraph, leaving speed aside I think a lot of Americans have totally under-estimated the challenge any US rider faces in...
Just to expand on your 2nd paragraph, leaving speed aside I think a lot of Americans have totally under-estimated the challenge any US rider faces in the first year riding GPs.

Every single aspect of RV's personal and professional life will be COMPLETELY different to what he's grown up with. And it isn't just different once, he has to adjust to 15+ different cultures in the space of just 7 months. The Euros are brought up traveling to different countries from an early age and are used to adjustment. It's for that reason I think it's easier for Euros to go over and race the AMA nationals because they only have to adjust once. RV was always going to be disadvantaged.

It's a shame he's only planned one season in MXGP because he's only a few seconds off the pace and the experience of a year would have made all the difference in my view.

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You guys are totally overreacting with the "The GPs are totaly different and hes not used to the travel and the food etc, the setuo is...
You guys are totally overreacting with the "The GPs are totaly different and hes not used to the travel and the food etc, the setuo is all wrong" comments.

Why would the travel be so hard on RV and not the others? RV has never been in a plane before? Food and culture has nothing to do with ut. The teams have there own food and the chefs makes whatever food they want. These excuses im reading are just lame. RV is doing well against tougher competition, hes getting better but its not going to be easy.
I don't know what you do for a living but try travelling to 15 different countries over the next 7 months and see if you're as successful at it. I doubt it.
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RY4N37 3/30/2015 1:18am
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St Ann More wrote:
You don't get points for lap times...
mikebrownsound wrote:
No but you tell me how many points behind he is ? cause he is right there. oh my bad 27 not 17. yeah well those...
No but you tell me how many points behind he is ? cause he is right there. oh my bad 27 not 17. yeah well those who shit talks are pathetic like i said. Idc wich side of the pond you are. But everyone have their right to cheer on their favorite rider and say that they believe he would win, But those who post shit like " pu*sy euros etc" well they just make themself look foolish and we dont feed the trolls right?
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He is "right there"? My friend, I'll help you with your math, if Desalle just keeps coming in 2nd without winning any motos ,RV "Mr Right...
He is "right there"? My friend, I'll help you with your math, if Desalle just keeps coming in 2nd without winning any motos ,RV "Mr Right There" would have to win the next 9 motos in a row just to tie the current Red Plate holder. You consider that being "right there". You do realise they are now returning to the real tracks in Europe. I would consider lowering your expectations of "Mr Right there" to a realistic lower top ten in points if he manages to make it to the end of the season, For a rookie"s first GP season I personally would consider that a very good season and a thumbs up with respect for RV.
I agree with you. I may not have put it as bluntly as that, but you're right in what you're saying. He's heading into the most difficult part of the season already 27 points down. I would think Desalle, Cairoli and Nagl are very happy with how these first three rounds have gone
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Sideways 3/30/2015 1:27am
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Edge-Of-Adhesion wrote:
I don't know what you do for a living but try travelling to 15 different countries over the next 7 months and see if you're as...
I don't know what you do for a living but try travelling to 15 different countries over the next 7 months and see if you're as successful at it. I doubt it.
I never said it was easy! But its the same for everyone. And the schedule in the GP´s are less hectic than in the US.
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Jefro98 3/30/2015 1:31am
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Zracer wrote:
Everybody seems to want to see RV run the sand , but I want to see how his' steer with the rear' setup works on the...
Everybody seems to want to see RV run the sand , but I want to see how his' steer with the rear' setup works on the some of the concrete hard , slick tracks in Europe complete with square edge bumps and no berms.
You'll get what you want then in the next GP in Italy.
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DeStouwer 3/30/2015 1:35am
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Give the dude some slack people. Maybe he just had a bad (read: less good) day. To go home with a 4-4 on a bad day isn't that bad at all. GP of Argentina wasn't the place to be 100% yet. It was three weeks since Thailand and it's another three weeks until the GP of Italy. As I said, not the time to be 100% with so much time between GP's. When the scene hits European soil, the races will follow eachother faster, that's when you have to be in shape, like Cairoli understands and has stated. I'm sure Villo thinks the same.
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DeStouwer wrote:
Give the dude some slack people. Maybe he just had a bad (read: less good) day. To go home with a 4-4 on a bad day...
Give the dude some slack people. Maybe he just had a bad (read: less good) day. To go home with a 4-4 on a bad day isn't that bad at all. GP of Argentina wasn't the place to be 100% yet. It was three weeks since Thailand and it's another three weeks until the GP of Italy. As I said, not the time to be 100% with so much time between GP's. When the scene hits European soil, the races will follow eachother faster, that's when you have to be in shape, like Cairoli understands and has stated. I'm sure Villo thinks the same.
True also in his 2nd race he was right on the tail of the 1st three
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OXBOY 3/30/2015 2:38am
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Ryan Villopoto just needs time, to get used to ride three races per GP...I'm not worried....
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Crush 3/30/2015 3:14am
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Again, 30 motos to go...17 pts down on the current champ... and the other two guys who beat him haven't finished a season in forever.... Everyone needs to calm the fuck down
ttproducts 3/30/2015 3:22am
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What is wrong with some of you people?

The bloke's left almost everything he knows behind and travelled half way around the world to work in a new job with people he's never met. He's racing against guys who specialise in motocross and who are equally talented and driven. He's coming back from a long lay off. RV is currently 4th in the world MX championship in his rookie year, he's had race wins and he's right up there with the top guys in the races.

The bike set-up does look a problem at times but totally changing that as well as everything else is a big ask. He sets up and rides his way because it's been effective in the past. Him and his team need to figure a compromise that keeps him happy on the bike and the bike happy on the track. They all still have a lot to learn but it's not exactly disastrous - far from it in fact.

He could just have claimed he was injured, packed his bags and gone fishing. Instead he's put himself on the line and taken a big risk. We should all be enjoying that and thanking him for doing it.
TheCynic82 3/30/2015 3:28am
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Next race will be on probably the most tricky terrain he has ever saw.
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TheCynic82 wrote:
Next race will be on probably the most tricky terrain he has ever saw.
Yup. Hard pack with shit load of small gravel on top.
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TheCynic82 wrote:
Next race will be on probably the most tricky terrain he has ever saw.
kongols wrote:
Yup. Hard pack with shit load of small gravel on top.
definitely nothing like St Jean D'Angely....... wait a sec...... Wink Wink Laughing

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Seamorbutts 3/30/2015 3:46am
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TheCynic82 wrote:
Next race will be on probably the most tricky terrain he has ever saw.
With the way the predictions have gone around here he just might kill it..LOL, I doubt it, but you know what I'm getting at.
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Yup. That and not racing MX in 2 years. Along with new teams and new tracks. None of the euros would do as good as he's...
Yup. That and not racing MX in 2 years. Along with new teams and new tracks.

None of the euros would do as good as he's doing over there over here. It's still a 2nd class racing league compared to the Ama nationals.
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Vi-tard!! You obviously don't remember when CD25 went over for a race, with no testing etc and finished second place? Also, the current ama outdoor champ...
Vi-tard!! You obviously don't remember when CD25 went over for a race, with no testing etc and finished second place? Also, the current ama outdoor champ is a euro.
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Ha dumbass... CD came over year before last with Stribos and both of the got like 5th and 6th two weeks in a row and one...
Ha dumbass... CD came over year before last with Stribos and both of the got like 5th and 6th two weeks in a row and one was at a new track. CD has never beat RD in America.....The reality is that its super tough to come over and win in either series right away. And Kroc and Marvin couldn't break into the top 3 their first full year.
marvin was injured for the majority of his first year, and ken spent most of his first year in the top 3!

regarding desalle- he has done several cameo appearances in the ama series, on a borrowed bike, whilst on vacation (not racing in the series he is employed to race in) - with his best finished being 2,2 (Unadilla 2010) and a 3rd place moto finish at Washougal in 09 (on a stock, used Honda 450)- you can hardly compare that to villipoto who is racing in gps full time, on his own bike....
TheCynic82 3/30/2015 3:56am
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Next race will be on probably the most tricky terrain he has ever saw.
kongols wrote:
Yup. Hard pack with shit load of small gravel on top.
ayearinmx wrote:
definitely nothing like St Jean D'Angely....... wait a sec...... Wink Wink Laughing
no, nothing like stjean
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ksithumper wrote:
After 6 races, it is plain to see that RV has a problem with his diet.

He needs to eat less roost.
Laughing Laughing Laughing awesome !

As my dad always tells me. 'Let the riding do the talking' or 'when the gate drops the bullshit stops' ..... Not on vital it seems ?
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RY4N37 3/30/2015 4:13am
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OXBOY wrote:
Ryan Villopoto just needs time, to get used to ride three races per GP...I'm not worried....
Unfortunately, he doesn't have much time
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It's the third round...
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ayearinmx 3/30/2015 4:26am
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no, nothing like stjean
nothing??? really?? i'd say St Jean is pretty hard-pack with a load of gravel on top... sure it might have more lines in the corners but to say they aren't similar is just wrong... but whatever, we'll find out soon enough

interestingly people said he'd really struggle at St Jean as well....







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TheCynic82 wrote:
Next race will be on probably the most tricky terrain he has ever saw.
kongols wrote:
Yup. Hard pack with shit load of small gravel on top.
That sounds awful. Is that really what it's like?
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That sounds awful. Is that really what it's like?
see "2" of the videos above for the Arco track... the other track is St Jean, where he's ridden before
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RY4N37 3/30/2015 4:43am
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mimafia wrote:
That sounds awful. Is that really what it's like?
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see "2" of the videos above for the Arco track... the other track is St Jean, where he's ridden before
see "2" of the videos above for the Arco track... the other track is St Jean, where he's ridden before
I would say they are quite a bit different. Especially on race day, St Jean isn't as slick as Arco imo
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Edge-Of-Adhesion wrote:
Just to expand on your 2nd paragraph, leaving speed aside I think a lot of Americans have totally under-estimated the challenge any US rider faces in...
Just to expand on your 2nd paragraph, leaving speed aside I think a lot of Americans have totally under-estimated the challenge any US rider faces in the first year riding GPs.

Every single aspect of RV's personal and professional life will be COMPLETELY different to what he's grown up with. And it isn't just different once, he has to adjust to 15+ different cultures in the space of just 7 months. The Euros are brought up traveling to different countries from an early age and are used to adjustment. It's for that reason I think it's easier for Euros to go over and race the AMA nationals because they only have to adjust once. RV was always going to be disadvantaged.

It's a shame he's only planned one season in MXGP because he's only a few seconds off the pace and the experience of a year would have made all the difference in my view.

Agreed
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Edge-Of-Adhesion wrote:
Just to expand on your 2nd paragraph, leaving speed aside I think a lot of Americans have totally under-estimated the challenge any US rider faces in...
Just to expand on your 2nd paragraph, leaving speed aside I think a lot of Americans have totally under-estimated the challenge any US rider faces in the first year riding GPs.

Every single aspect of RV's personal and professional life will be COMPLETELY different to what he's grown up with. And it isn't just different once, he has to adjust to 15+ different cultures in the space of just 7 months. The Euros are brought up traveling to different countries from an early age and are used to adjustment. It's for that reason I think it's easier for Euros to go over and race the AMA nationals because they only have to adjust once. RV was always going to be disadvantaged.

It's a shame he's only planned one season in MXGP because he's only a few seconds off the pace and the experience of a year would have made all the difference in my view.

machine wrote:
Agreed
I really hope that he places top 5 in the standings and and opts to stay for one more year after finding out what it's gonna take to win an MXGP title.

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