RV training at Lommel

overthebars39 3/22/2015 1:34pm
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just.another.nickname wrote:
I think it was Stefan Everts that called Ryan Villipoto the fastest MX rider in the "world", was it not :-P
His exact words in a intervieuw for the Flemish tv: "One of the most talented MX and SX riders of all times" Smile
just.another.nickname 3/22/2015 1:39pm
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I think it was Stefan Everts that called Ryan Villipoto the fastest MX rider in the "world", was it not :-P
overthebars39 wrote:
His exact words in a intervieuw for the Flemish tv: "One of the most talented MX and SX riders of all times" Smile
I was just looking for it for a comical standpoint... as I thought he meant that even above the beloved Jeffrey H.

I don't really care one way or another but thanks for correcting me. I wasn't finding it as I stated.
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No, it's not magical sand and yes, it can be learned. Problem is that in practice you never have the same conditions then you have on...
No, it's not magical sand and yes, it can be learned. Problem is that in practice you never have the same conditions then you have on a GP weekend. The track is completely different in a GP weekend just because the riders that ride that weekend are a lot faster then on any practice weekend. You just can't compare it.

And that is Ryan's problem. For him it will be completely new. He can win in Lommel, just not in his first year. It took Antonio several years to become succesfull in Lommel. And he lived for all those years almost next to the track. He went there almost on a daily basis.
Believe me, a podium in Lommel will be a fantastic achievement for Ryan. And that is more then enough. Going to chase after AC would just be plain stupid. Damage control, score as many points as possible. That is all that he has to do in Lommel.

A bit of rain would be fantastic for Ryan. In that case the sand won't be as soft as normally. If that's the case he will be closer to AC, i agree with you there.
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You realize that every track in the US is different on national day than any other time of the year. Bumps, ruts, corners, develop differently than...
You realize that every track in the US is different on national day than any other time of the year. Bumps, ruts, corners, develop differently than any other day of the year. By your reasoning it would take several years before any rookie could win at any track. I'm not going to go as far as saying he'll win but it would not surprise me, you're talking about a guy who is better than any GP rider on a wider range of tracks, I don't think that can even be disputed. To say that it's impossible for him to win on a condition that he still has 5 months to prepare for makes you the one seeing fairies and unicorns.
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RV hasn't proved he is better at motocross than Cairoli or anyone yet! Until he wins a World title, there is no proof he is, just...
RV hasn't proved he is better at motocross than Cairoli or anyone yet! Until he wins a World title, there is no proof he is, just unfounded presumption.

And the World Championship has much more variables with tracks and different countries than the US Nationals... that's why it's the barometer for the best motocross rider in the world. That's why if RV wins it - and he could - then he will be the best.

Stop presuming superiority and being offended when others don't presume RV is superior to everyone else.

Please stop calling people the best in the world when they haven't won the world title yet, give RV the chance to win it first at Glen Helen, then call him the best...thanks in advance.

I said "a guy who is better than any GP rider on a wider range of tracks". That includes Supercross if that wasn't apparent. I don't think anyone could argue that with any seriousness.

I also said "I'm not going to go as far as saying he'll win but it would not surprise me".

Funny, I respond to someone saying RV can't win the first year and I'm the one "presuming superiority".

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Another longer video has popped up. I have to admit, i'm not that impressed.


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machine wrote:
Another longer video has popped up. I have to admit, i'm not that impressed. [embed] https://youtu.be/OlSf0DR2wU0 [/embed]
Another longer video has popped up. I have to admit, i'm not that impressed.


He'll get there... he's got a race to win in Argentina or somewhere next week Wink
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Another longer video has popped up. I have to admit, i'm not that impressed. [embed] https://youtu.be/OlSf0DR2wU0 [/embed]
Another longer video has popped up. I have to admit, i'm not that impressed.


After watching this vid I thought I'd have a look back at this one to see how the other US guys came over and practiced at Lommel

http://youtu.be/-4kHzh9KWzE

I certainly don't think they looked any slower than RV at this point. Bagged in particular looked very comfortable. I just wonder whether the way RV rides is going to hinder him when it starts getting really choppy. We'll see soon enough I guess
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Glory 3/22/2015 4:35pm
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Maybe RV should go to this place for a couple of days think he could really benefit from it

doesn'l look very fun lol but some damn good training

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy5usVwCjiQ
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Obviously Herlings is the established best rider in the sand but on tracks like this nobody really looks "fast" . At least not in the same way they do on hardpack. And I do realize some portions of this vid were slo mo. Very rough track also.
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Glory wrote:
Maybe RV should go to this place for a couple of days think he could really benefit from it doesn'l look very fun lol but some...
Maybe RV should go to this place for a couple of days think he could really benefit from it

doesn'l look very fun lol but some damn good training

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy5usVwCjiQ
Not looking all that fast there either.. sand has a way of doing that..lol. Looks like a deeper version of the Mojave desert
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Glory 3/22/2015 4:56pm
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Yeah but it's the fact that he's always gets his frontire up and jumps over the bumps that makes him so special in the sand(and how he carries the momentum through the corners obv). I mean look at this for example, first you watch Searle go through the section @31:45 minutes in to the clip and then you watch Herlings @ 36:10. Night and day
Another good example is Searle @37:45, Van Horebeek @39:15 and Herlings @41:50. Just another level

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXWJk0N8UbU
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Herlings seems to hop and float over the bumps, using them like jumps. He also seems to carry more speed through the corners. Looking at RV (RIGHT NOW) he seems to be plowing through the bumps hitting every one. That would be hard to do for 40 minutes. Just an observation...
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machine wrote:
Herlings seems to hop and float over the bumps, using them like jumps. He also seems to carry more speed through the corners. Looking at RV...
Herlings seems to hop and float over the bumps, using them like jumps. He also seems to carry more speed through the corners. Looking at RV (RIGHT NOW) he seems to be plowing through the bumps hitting every one. That would be hard to do for 40 minutes. Just an observation...
I've watched both videos of Herlings and RV in the sand. I will say it again....RV is bouncing around more and his back end is swapping due to his stiff suspension settings. Particularly his front forks never seem to compress more than half way through the stroke. How fast can anyone go in sand while only using 6 inches of travel? The stubborn redhead is still running his shit to stiff.
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Herlings seems to hop and float over the bumps, using them like jumps. He also seems to carry more speed through the corners. Looking at RV...
Herlings seems to hop and float over the bumps, using them like jumps. He also seems to carry more speed through the corners. Looking at RV (RIGHT NOW) he seems to be plowing through the bumps hitting every one. That would be hard to do for 40 minutes. Just an observation...
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I've watched both videos of Herlings and RV in the sand. I will say it again....RV is bouncing around more and his back end is swapping...
I've watched both videos of Herlings and RV in the sand. I will say it again....RV is bouncing around more and his back end is swapping due to his stiff suspension settings. Particularly his front forks never seem to compress more than half way through the stroke. How fast can anyone go in sand while only using 6 inches of travel? The stubborn redhead is still running his shit to stiff.
Quick sand riders run stiffer suspension than on chop, at least that's what I read? Wink


What's really interesting is that none of these Euro posters (posers) took the bet I offered at the season's start.. not Ryan47, not the Source of nonsense, not Philgay, no one...

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I'll take Herlings in the sand any day. RV on a soft to hard motocross track, and TC or kroc to smoke both their asses at either if they are feeling the track. Desalle could get em at any on his best day. We live in good times for motocross.
just.another.nickname 3/23/2015 12:04am
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I think it was Stefan Everts that called Ryan Villipoto the fastest MX rider in the "world", was it not :-P
overthebars39 wrote:
His exact words in a intervieuw for the Flemish tv: "One of the most talented MX and SX riders of all times" Smile
Actually I found it: http://racerxonline.com/2013/12/23/insight-stefan-everts

Question: "You were talking with Johnny O’Mara here a little while and you were pretty direct in the fact that you see Villopoto as the best rider in the world. Is that how you see it?"

Answer: "Yeah, for sure. The way he works, the way he trains, the way he is prepared—he doesn’t let destiny decide how it will go. He takes most of the destiny in his own hands. He really works with details. He puts his all into it, and that’s why he is dominating and why he is so strong. For me, if he doesn’t get any injuries, he will be the guy to beat in the new season, for sure."

Since I know you guys across the pond are stuck on your "worldliness", King Stefan has spoken Wink

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Actually I found it: http://racerxonline.com/2013/12/23/insight-stefan-everts Question: "You were talking with Johnny O’Mara here a little while and [i]you were pretty direct in the fact that you...
Actually I found it: http://racerxonline.com/2013/12/23/insight-stefan-everts

Question: "You were talking with Johnny O’Mara here a little while and you were pretty direct in the fact that you see Villopoto as the best rider in the world. Is that how you see it?"

Answer: "Yeah, for sure. The way he works, the way he trains, the way he is prepared—he doesn’t let destiny decide how it will go. He takes most of the destiny in his own hands. He really works with details. He puts his all into it, and that’s why he is dominating and why he is so strong. For me, if he doesn’t get any injuries, he will be the guy to beat in the new season, for sure."

Since I know you guys across the pond are stuck on your "worldliness", King Stefan has spoken Wink

Boom!


PhilG to say how it isn't so in 5, 4, 3...
overthebars39 3/23/2015 12:52am
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just.another.nickname wrote:
Actually I found it: http://racerxonline.com/2013/12/23/insight-stefan-everts Question: "You were talking with Johnny O’Mara here a little while and [i]you were pretty direct in the fact that you...
Actually I found it: http://racerxonline.com/2013/12/23/insight-stefan-everts

Question: "You were talking with Johnny O’Mara here a little while and you were pretty direct in the fact that you see Villopoto as the best rider in the world. Is that how you see it?"

Answer: "Yeah, for sure. The way he works, the way he trains, the way he is prepared—he doesn’t let destiny decide how it will go. He takes most of the destiny in his own hands. He really works with details. He puts his all into it, and that’s why he is dominating and why he is so strong. For me, if he doesn’t get any injuries, he will be the guy to beat in the new season, for sure."

Since I know you guys across the pond are stuck on your "worldliness", King Stefan has spoken Wink

Thing is, it does not mean he will sweep everyone under the rug in the GP's. Altough some statements on this board say otherwise since it's a 2nd rate series. Laughing

Since I know you guys across the pond are stuck on your "worldliness"

'You guys'..... Look, if some European member says something here, it does not mean they speak on the behalf of all of us.


All I have been saying is that the GP is no less competitive then the US series.
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Thing is, it does not mean he will sweep everyone under the rug in the GP's. Altough some statements on this board say otherwise since it's...
Thing is, it does not mean he will sweep everyone under the rug in the GP's. Altough some statements on this board say otherwise since it's a 2nd rate series. Laughing

Since I know you guys across the pond are stuck on your "worldliness"

'You guys'..... Look, if some European member says something here, it does not mean they speak on the behalf of all of us.


All I have been saying is that the GP is no less competitive then the US series.
I was poking a little fun since the "beat on RV" seems pretty redick'ulous. My apologies.

I to respect both series and all the racers.



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Herlings seems to hop and float over the bumps, using them like jumps. He also seems to carry more speed through the corners. Looking at RV...
Herlings seems to hop and float over the bumps, using them like jumps. He also seems to carry more speed through the corners. Looking at RV (RIGHT NOW) he seems to be plowing through the bumps hitting every one. That would be hard to do for 40 minutes. Just an observation...
karsmakers wrote:
I've watched both videos of Herlings and RV in the sand. I will say it again....RV is bouncing around more and his back end is swapping...
I've watched both videos of Herlings and RV in the sand. I will say it again....RV is bouncing around more and his back end is swapping due to his stiff suspension settings. Particularly his front forks never seem to compress more than half way through the stroke. How fast can anyone go in sand while only using 6 inches of travel? The stubborn redhead is still running his shit to stiff.
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Quick sand riders run stiffer suspension than on chop, at least that's what I read? ;) What's really interesting is that none of these Euro posters...
Quick sand riders run stiffer suspension than on chop, at least that's what I read? Wink


What's really interesting is that none of these Euro posters (posers) took the bet I offered at the season's start.. not Ryan47, not the Source of nonsense, not Philgay, no one...

Sometimes actions speak louder than words Whistling

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If you want to get that RV wins the title then I'll go for that no problem. It was more the fact that, I'm not really a betting man that I didn't take you up on your offer, not my lack of confidence that Cairoli would get the job done.
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Herlings seems to hop and float over the bumps, using them like jumps. He also seems to carry more speed through the corners. Looking at RV...
Herlings seems to hop and float over the bumps, using them like jumps. He also seems to carry more speed through the corners. Looking at RV (RIGHT NOW) he seems to be plowing through the bumps hitting every one. That would be hard to do for 40 minutes. Just an observation...
I agree. Looking at the vid (NOT trying to tell RV how to ride etc - again, just a fan of the sport observing a vid on a message board) it sounds to me like he's running a gear low in places, like the bike is getting buried down and revving out. Obviously the ideal scenario is to float over that stuff in a higher gear and use the momentum. No idea whether that's actually what's happening but he doesn't sound smooth everywhere imo.

Still he has time to work on it and if anyone can adapt fast it's Ryan. Probably not for beating Tony round Lommel (though vice versa is probably true round Glen Helen) but for salvaging valuable points anywhere in the top 3 or 5.
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Another longer video has popped up. I have to admit, i'm not that impressed. [embed] https://youtu.be/OlSf0DR2wU0 [/embed]
Another longer video has popped up. I have to admit, i'm not that impressed.


There's some work to be done there, not a pretty sight. The effort and energy he's wasting riding in a "nice" sand track is noticeable. In this present state of RV's attitude towards sand it seems as though it's not going to be a productive race weekend for KRT at Lommel or Valkenswaard. Where is Tyla? Shouldn't his input on his sand experience & strategy be included in RV's transition to becoming a competitive sand rider?
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There's some work to be done there, not a pretty sight. The effort and energy he's wasting riding in a "nice" sand track is noticeable. In...
There's some work to be done there, not a pretty sight. The effort and energy he's wasting riding in a "nice" sand track is noticeable. In this present state of RV's attitude towards sand it seems as though it's not going to be a productive race weekend for KRT at Lommel or Valkenswaard. Where is Tyla? Shouldn't his input on his sand experience & strategy be included in RV's transition to becoming a competitive sand rider?
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The Source wrote:
There's some work to be done there, not a pretty sight. The effort and energy he's wasting riding in a "nice" sand track is noticeable. In...
There's some work to be done there, not a pretty sight. The effort and energy he's wasting riding in a "nice" sand track is noticeable. In this present state of RV's attitude towards sand it seems as though it's not going to be a productive race weekend for KRT at Lommel or Valkenswaard. Where is Tyla? Shouldn't his input on his sand experience & strategy be included in RV's transition to becoming a competitive sand rider?
There's some work to be done there, not a pretty sight: opinion
The effort and energy he's wasting riding in a "nice" sand track is noticeable: opinion
In this present state of RV's attitude towards sand it seems as though it's not going to be a productive race weekend for KRT at Lommel or Valkenswaard: assumption
Where is Tyla? Shouldn't his input on his sand experience & strategy be included in RV's transition to becoming a competitive sand rider?: assumption
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DV watched that video and publicly said that RV was looking pretty good in the sand.

By the way, RV and Herlings were both at Leirop today, few small videos going around.
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RV no worse than 2nd at Lommel. book it

Has Tyla ever finished ahead of RV on any surface?

"..For me, if he doesn’t get any injuries, he will be the guy to beat..."
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The Source wrote:
There's some work to be done there, not a pretty sight. The effort and energy he's wasting riding in a "nice" sand track is noticeable. In...
There's some work to be done there, not a pretty sight. The effort and energy he's wasting riding in a "nice" sand track is noticeable. In this present state of RV's attitude towards sand it seems as though it's not going to be a productive race weekend for KRT at Lommel or Valkenswaard. Where is Tyla? Shouldn't his input on his sand experience & strategy be included in RV's transition to becoming a competitive sand rider?
Such an expert.....hahahaha! what a friggin joke! I mean really nobody cares about your "unbiased" opinion...keep trolling!
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machine wrote:
Another longer video has popped up. I have to admit, i'm not that impressed. [embed] https://youtu.be/OlSf0DR2wU0 [/embed]
Another longer video has popped up. I have to admit, i'm not that impressed.


I haven't been to Lommel in a while - but that track doesn't look like it.

Buildings are unfamiliar, tunnel under jump, tree lines and parking area not familiar, grass in the background, etc, etc. Of course, buildings can be built, a 'dozer can push sand up over a concrete tube / box, and ground can be left fallow . And Lommel, is literally, just a expanse of flat sand, in an industrial estate, that gets pushed around into a track. Sounds piss poor, but is an awesome track.

Locals - Anyone, is this really Lommel?

As for all of this about RV not being able to ride Lommel well? Well, I'm no USA, USA chanter, nor a RV luuuurver, or hater, but he's got until August 2, and he'll probably have hundreds of laps in at the track by then . And, a shedload of those will probably be late in the week / after local / national races.

What will be the difficulty, as in all of the races, are the riders he's racing against. They are not the same blokes he's raced against for years. Especially on a track like Lommel.

Valkenswaard should be good - especially if it's cold, and the ground underneath the top layer of sand is frozen......... Aye Carumbah, that holds some surprises, for all and sundry.

How Luongo has conned the Assen promoters into doing that race, there, is beyond me. All they have to look at is the abysmal turn out of spectators at Lausitzring (?) in 2013. People voted with their wallets, and didn't go to it. Actually, it was a reasonable track, but the sports followers, went "F*** You, Giuseppe" and went to other GPs / or the MXDN at Teutschenthal . After paying Luongo's / Youthstreams 'fees', I think there are buggerall sources of income from the event, for any of the promoters, other than gate takings.
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Glory 3/23/2015 10:06am
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Yes that's Lommel mate Wink

Can someone link the videos from Lierop floating around?
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Yes that's Lommel mate ;) Can someone link the videos from Lierop floating around?
Yes that's Lommel mate Wink

Can someone link the videos from Lierop floating around?
I guess it was Eindhoven or Veldhoven, not Leirop. My bad. RV and Jeffrey were still both there though.

http://instagram.com/p/0kuWgqICBW/
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moto282 3/23/2015 11:04am
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Funny how much weight people put on Lommel and a practice video. Using pre-season practice videos you would've thought Barcia would be the SX points leader right now. And regarding RV's style - who would've thought Barcia could get a 3rd at Lommel with his aggressive style?

It will obviously be tough for RV to win at Lommel since it's new to him and like a home track to Cairoli - just like it will be tough for Cairoli to beat RV at Glen Helen. But using videos of practice to judge where they will finish in a race is dumb IMO.

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