West cost 250SX break... Izzi got rolled up with Johnny Law

3/17/2015 4:06pm
Sometimes addicted persons use to avoid the withdrawal. Once you become chemically dependent on something it isn't as easy to quit as saying "stop being a shit head" I've never come into contact with a patient that wanted to continue down this road of destruction. it's basically kicking the can down the road.

Needs surrounded by the right people all the time because it's a consistent battle with addiction. Hope he can get ahead of the dependency.
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I get addicted to reading these threads for a second time so I can see how many opinions disappear!
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I get addicted to reading these threads for a second time so I can see how many opinions disappear!
Just the stupid ones.

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All I will say is that it absolutely kills me to know that Nico is going through this. Sure he is doing it to himself, but that doesn't negate the fact that someone who was once THE most promising star in moto is spending time behind bars because of addiction.

Addiction truly hits home, I have had family battle it and it is insane to watch. One day you are watching a meth head on cops and wondering how someone could ever do that to themselves, and the next day you get a call you have to go pick up a relative from county because of drug possession.

I will say one thing though, the person has to WANT to quit. There is no forcing rehab. Even if you do force someone into it, and they complete the rehab with flying colors, it wont be long until they are back to their old way because they don't believe that they have a problem.

I truly hope that Nico gets his life together, because the only thing worse than doing drugs is coming off them and realizing you through your life away. Time is something we cant get back, and his window to change is rapidly closing.
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All I will say is that it absolutely kills me to know that Nico is going through this. Sure he is doing it to himself, but...
All I will say is that it absolutely kills me to know that Nico is going through this. Sure he is doing it to himself, but that doesn't negate the fact that someone who was once THE most promising star in moto is spending time behind bars because of addiction.

Addiction truly hits home, I have had family battle it and it is insane to watch. One day you are watching a meth head on cops and wondering how someone could ever do that to themselves, and the next day you get a call you have to go pick up a relative from county because of drug possession.

I will say one thing though, the person has to WANT to quit. There is no forcing rehab. Even if you do force someone into it, and they complete the rehab with flying colors, it wont be long until they are back to their old way because they don't believe that they have a problem.

I truly hope that Nico gets his life together, because the only thing worse than doing drugs is coming off them and realizing you through your life away. Time is something we cant get back, and his window to change is rapidly closing.
great post! ..I rarely ever say that, very rarely in fact.
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3/17/2015 6:36pm
Anybody remember an ad or story about nico when he was on minis for suzuki and wearing a straw cowboy hat with an fmf patch or something on it? It was so long ago that I can't remember the details, but I remember he was "the guy" at that time.
3/17/2015 6:41pm
He was cranking the elevator at gatorback on a 105 no problem lap after lap. He was definitely fast as a kid and insane.
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The only way he is going to get clean is if "HE" wants to get clean. I have fought the same daemons he is going thru right now with pain killers. I am in recovery right now and have 134 days clean. Was abusing norcos for the past 8 years. Almost lost everything. Hope he gets clean for his sake.
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3/17/2015 6:48pm
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The only way he is going to get clean is if "HE" wants to get clean. I have fought the same daemons he is going thru...
The only way he is going to get clean is if "HE" wants to get clean. I have fought the same daemons he is going thru right now with pain killers. I am in recovery right now and have 134 days clean. Was abusing norcos for the past 8 years. Almost lost everything. Hope he gets clean for his sake.
That's good to hear. Stick with it man and good luck. Sounds like you're on the right track.

On a side note, I just noticed your location and I think my cousin used to write for y'all's newspaper a year or two ago. Not important, I know, just thought it was one of those "small world" deals haha
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3/17/2015 7:04pm Edited Date/Time 3/17/2015 7:04pm
yzken250x wrote:
The only way he is going to get clean is if "HE" wants to get clean. I have fought the same daemons he is going thru...
The only way he is going to get clean is if "HE" wants to get clean. I have fought the same daemons he is going thru right now with pain killers. I am in recovery right now and have 134 days clean. Was abusing norcos for the past 8 years. Almost lost everything. Hope he gets clean for his sake.
You know Ken you are in pretty good shape! The problem with rehab is that 30-45 days is not going to correct anything. You my friend have made it past the 90 day point and that is huge. Hopefully the cravings have eased up for you and you beat it like I know you can.

When I was young I used to think guys that could ride like Nico were gods when in fact they are just normal humans that have problems like we all do. Blame it on injuries or whatever you want but there is a good chance guys like that would become addicts no matter what they were doing for a living.

Best of luck to you YZKen
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Addiction is an ugly thing. He's only 24 years old! I've never been a fan, but assuming it's true, I hope he can get on the...
Addiction is an ugly thing. He's only 24 years old! I've never been a fan, but assuming it's true, I hope he can get on the right path and stay on it. Racing or not, I'm pulling for the guy. Hate to see anyone throw their life away.
+1 It's a shame what happens to these guys from racing injuries. All these douchebags judging the kid should take a step back. It's pretty easy...
+1 It's a shame what happens to these guys from racing injuries. All these douchebags judging the kid should take a step back. It's pretty easy to get addicted to painkillers if you're on them constantly. Look at the NFL.
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Hillbilly, I know you've mentioned the dog a couple times, but I'm less sure that it was a drug dog, and suspect more that it was...
Hillbilly, I know you've mentioned the dog a couple times, but I'm less sure that it was a drug dog, and suspect more that it was looking for explosives. They spend a lot of time doing that...like when you pull into the entrance for the gold lot, and they have you open the trunk, and also run a mirror around the car to look at the undercarriage.

I've heard of Nico's arrest, and from what I've been told, it was not a prescription drug or painkillers, and it was shortly before A3.
Really?

Man,i figured for sure to be a drug dog. I saw the deal out front near will call .

Eh,we kill ourselves other ways than a bomb.
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Ive done my time with painmeds in the last 15 yrs. After breaking my neck in o3 i went off the rails. I'm in tremendous pain daily,today,tomorrow,and ever day till i die. So,you build a tolerance.

In 04ish before they stopped the internet ordering it was wide open.. 40 or 50 a day was many day,always 20 at least. Of lortab 10mg.

Quit,shit,puke,shake,sweat. It is hell. Back to endless pain,start again,on and on.

Ive had friends that turned to slamming that stuff and they never came back,not one,all dead or in jail.

Hard row to hoe.

Bad times.
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3/17/2015 8:53pm Edited Date/Time 3/17/2015 9:00pm
Seems like a common denominator with my moto buddies that quit riding for some reason or another and buddies coming home from combat. Obviously not trying to compare the two but from a chemical standpoint your brain is doing similar things(producing lots of endorphins). This is the "high" feeling you get after a good moto or after hitting a big jump for the first time. Once you aren't doing whatever it was to make your body produce adrenaline and endorphins, sadly it's partying that often takes its place. It also doesn't help that a lot of moto careers often end from injury and there you are with idle time and a script.
I lost my wife's younger brother(badass go kart racer as a kid) to overdose 4 years ago, and he's not the only one. I have been clean for almost 8 yrs now.
Best advice that I can give is to do something to fill that adrenaline void. If you ever stop riding moto, ride a mountain bike, road bike, run, play guitar, lift weights, anything to get those endorphins going.
There are people who participate in these same things and never develope habits of any kind. They should feel great about the choices that they have made and people that have surrounded them. Some are not so fortunate. I am sorry for the very long post, but this kinda hits home for me and it took me years to come to some of these realizations so maybe it will help someone who is still in the "fog" of addiction or might God forbid, encounter it in the future.
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3/17/2015 9:58pm
The detox period when you stop taking opiates is fucking rough for about 2 weeks, then you start feeling normal again after about a month. You just have to wear it at first, but you do eventually start feeling normal again, it just takes time, at least thats what happened to me with morphine and norcos. Weed helps too
3/17/2015 11:15pm
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Seems like a common denominator with my moto buddies that quit riding for some reason or another and buddies coming home from combat. Obviously not trying...
Seems like a common denominator with my moto buddies that quit riding for some reason or another and buddies coming home from combat. Obviously not trying to compare the two but from a chemical standpoint your brain is doing similar things(producing lots of endorphins). This is the "high" feeling you get after a good moto or after hitting a big jump for the first time. Once you aren't doing whatever it was to make your body produce adrenaline and endorphins, sadly it's partying that often takes its place. It also doesn't help that a lot of moto careers often end from injury and there you are with idle time and a script.
I lost my wife's younger brother(badass go kart racer as a kid) to overdose 4 years ago, and he's not the only one. I have been clean for almost 8 yrs now.
Best advice that I can give is to do something to fill that adrenaline void. If you ever stop riding moto, ride a mountain bike, road bike, run, play guitar, lift weights, anything to get those endorphins going.
There are people who participate in these same things and never develope habits of any kind. They should feel great about the choices that they have made and people that have surrounded them. Some are not so fortunate. I am sorry for the very long post, but this kinda hits home for me and it took me years to come to some of these realizations so maybe it will help someone who is still in the "fog" of addiction or might God forbid, encounter it in the future.
Best advice is to never touch any of that shit. Ever. Rx pain killers, heroin...meth..........all it will do is ruin your life and your families.
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Sometimes addicted persons use to avoid the withdrawal. Once you become chemically dependent on something it isn't as easy to quit as saying "stop being a...
Sometimes addicted persons use to avoid the withdrawal. Once you become chemically dependent on something it isn't as easy to quit as saying "stop being a shit head" I've never come into contact with a patient that wanted to continue down this road of destruction. it's basically kicking the can down the road.

Needs surrounded by the right people all the time because it's a consistent battle with addiction. Hope he can get ahead of the dependency.
"Sometimes addicted persons use to avoid the withdrawl." Yes, I'm gonna have to do some quick math but I'd say roughly 100% of them. Everyone welcome, Captain Obvious has entered the thread. Haha jus having a lil fun bro
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I've went thru opiate withdrawal 2x. Once after I burned the skin off my back and arms and was on the pills for 3 months.
Frankly, the pain of withdrawal isn't that big of a deal imo. It's like a bad flu and being sore all over from a really hard workout for like 2 weeks. If you have shattered bones, or dislocated limbs, you've experienced worse peak pain for sure.
I don't believe the pain of withdrawal is what keeps people hooked. Obviously there is an emotional addiction that is way more powerful.
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I've went thru opiate withdrawal 2x. Once after I burned the skin off my back and arms and was on the pills for 3 months. Frankly...
I've went thru opiate withdrawal 2x. Once after I burned the skin off my back and arms and was on the pills for 3 months.
Frankly, the pain of withdrawal isn't that big of a deal imo. It's like a bad flu and being sore all over from a really hard workout for like 2 weeks. If you have shattered bones, or dislocated limbs, you've experienced worse peak pain for sure.
I don't believe the pain of withdrawal is what keeps people hooked. Obviously there is an emotional addiction that is way more powerful.
Withdrawals from opiates can be a lot more severe than you described. The longer/harder opiate you use, the worse your WD's will be.
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moscrop940 wrote:
All I will say is that it absolutely kills me to know that Nico is going through this. Sure he is doing it to himself, but...
All I will say is that it absolutely kills me to know that Nico is going through this. Sure he is doing it to himself, but that doesn't negate the fact that someone who was once THE most promising star in moto is spending time behind bars because of addiction.

Addiction truly hits home, I have had family battle it and it is insane to watch. One day you are watching a meth head on cops and wondering how someone could ever do that to themselves, and the next day you get a call you have to go pick up a relative from county because of drug possession.

I will say one thing though, the person has to WANT to quit. There is no forcing rehab. Even if you do force someone into it, and they complete the rehab with flying colors, it wont be long until they are back to their old way because they don't believe that they have a problem.

I truly hope that Nico gets his life together, because the only thing worse than doing drugs is coming off them and realizing you through your life away. Time is something we cant get back, and his window to change is rapidly closing.
Katoomey wrote:
great post! ..I rarely ever say that, very rarely in fact.
Well I appreciate it.

As the days continue to pass I cant help but notice how parallel Nico's career is becoming to Ben Riddle's...

Both Suzuki's number one amateur, both the topic prospect in the county, countless Loretta titles, factory Suzuki contract with a shit ton of money at 16-17, both seem to have a decent amount of injuries in the early stages of their careers, and now both have turned to pills or harder drugs. Both have literally thrown away their God given talent for a stupid fucking high which has landed both of them in jail.....

The list goes on and on. I just cant help but feel that I am watching history repeat itself before my very eyes.

3/18/2015 8:26am
Man, when Izzi stepped off that big jump and broke his feet that just killed his career.

http://motocross.transworld.net/1000083881/features/catching-up-withnic…

When I got hurt no one really even called me to see how I was doing. Roger DeCoster never called to see how I was doing. I mean, I know I wasn’t out there winning every race, but I did get five podiums in a row. I just think everyone should be treated the same and I never even just got a phone call to check up on me. Even the next day after Jacksonville: nothing. I had to call Roger and say, “Hey, how’s it going? I am actually laying in the hospital right now, did you know that?” And he said, “Oh, yeah. How is everything going?” And I just said, “Oh, it’s going great! Thanks!”
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Now that this has become a lot about pain, please take this advice. I broke my neck 16 years ago and have tried everything non-drug-related in the healing world, I mean everything.

Recently I got "teeter" inversion table. It has completely changed my life. All of that compaction, Burning and swelling from the sciatic all the way down the leg has gone into complete remission. It's helped everything from my ankles all the way up. Even my brother that only has minor pain is up here at least once a week for a 20 minute hang, Says it gives him full relief!
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Man, when Izzi stepped off that big jump and broke his feet that just killed his career. http://motocross.transworld.net/1000083881/features/catching-up-withnico-izzi-4/ When I got hurt no one really even...
Man, when Izzi stepped off that big jump and broke his feet that just killed his career.

http://motocross.transworld.net/1000083881/features/catching-up-withnic…

When I got hurt no one really even called me to see how I was doing. Roger DeCoster never called to see how I was doing. I mean, I know I wasn’t out there winning every race, but I did get five podiums in a row. I just think everyone should be treated the same and I never even just got a phone call to check up on me. Even the next day after Jacksonville: nothing. I had to call Roger and say, “Hey, how’s it going? I am actually laying in the hospital right now, did you know that?” And he said, “Oh, yeah. How is everything going?” And I just said, “Oh, it’s going great! Thanks!”
I read that at the time, and similar stories concerning riders who got hurt riding for Roger. Stories are all similar, pretty shitty if you ask me, i don't get the hero worship of that guy.
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3/18/2015 9:45am Edited Date/Time 3/18/2015 9:53am
hammertime wrote:
Now that this has become a lot about pain, please take this advice. I broke my neck 16 years ago and have tried everything non-drug-related in...
Now that this has become a lot about pain, please take this advice. I broke my neck 16 years ago and have tried everything non-drug-related in the healing world, I mean everything.

Recently I got "teeter" inversion table. It has completely changed my life. All of that compaction, Burning and swelling from the sciatic all the way down the leg has gone into complete remission. It's helped everything from my ankles all the way up. Even my brother that only has minor pain is up here at least once a week for a 20 minute hang, Says it gives him full relief!
Are you serious? I thought about trying one of those tables to relieve back and neck pain but worry about it pulling on my knee too much. Any thoughts on that?
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hammertime wrote:
Now that this has become a lot about pain, please take this advice. I broke my neck 16 years ago and have tried everything non-drug-related in...
Now that this has become a lot about pain, please take this advice. I broke my neck 16 years ago and have tried everything non-drug-related in the healing world, I mean everything.

Recently I got "teeter" inversion table. It has completely changed my life. All of that compaction, Burning and swelling from the sciatic all the way down the leg has gone into complete remission. It's helped everything from my ankles all the way up. Even my brother that only has minor pain is up here at least once a week for a 20 minute hang, Says it gives him full relief!
Hut wrote:
Are you serious? I thought about trying one of those tables to relieve back and neck pain but worry about it pulling on my knee too...
Are you serious? I thought about trying one of those tables to relieve back and neck pain but worry about it pulling on my knee too much. Any thoughts on that?
For sure. You can adjust those tables to any degree of inversion you like. If you hang straight upside down it definitely pulls on your knees. I like to go About 45°, put on a podcast or something and just relax for about a half hour. It really does the job on the back and neck without the stress on the knees. Sometimes if I really want a good stretch out, I will hang at a much steeper angle but just keep my knees slightly bent so that the pressure is more on the ankles.
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For sure. You can adjust those tables to any degree of inversion you like. If you hang straight upside down it definitely pulls on your knees...
For sure. You can adjust those tables to any degree of inversion you like. If you hang straight upside down it definitely pulls on your knees. I like to go About 45°, put on a podcast or something and just relax for about a half hour. It really does the job on the back and neck without the stress on the knees. Sometimes if I really want a good stretch out, I will hang at a much steeper angle but just keep my knees slightly bent so that the pressure is more on the ankles.
Right on, thanks
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Withdrawals from opiates can be a lot more severe than you described. The longer/harder opiate you use, the worse your WD's will be.
i'm so ripped and tan right now, solid bro
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Man, when Izzi stepped off that big jump and broke his feet that just killed his career. http://motocross.transworld.net/1000083881/features/catching-up-withnico-izzi-4/ When I got hurt no one really even...
Man, when Izzi stepped off that big jump and broke his feet that just killed his career.

http://motocross.transworld.net/1000083881/features/catching-up-withnic…

When I got hurt no one really even called me to see how I was doing. Roger DeCoster never called to see how I was doing. I mean, I know I wasn’t out there winning every race, but I did get five podiums in a row. I just think everyone should be treated the same and I never even just got a phone call to check up on me. Even the next day after Jacksonville: nothing. I had to call Roger and say, “Hey, how’s it going? I am actually laying in the hospital right now, did you know that?” And he said, “Oh, yeah. How is everything going?” And I just said, “Oh, it’s going great! Thanks!”
Trav138 wrote:
I read that at the time, and similar stories concerning riders who got hurt riding for Roger. Stories are all similar, pretty shitty if you ask...
I read that at the time, and similar stories concerning riders who got hurt riding for Roger. Stories are all similar, pretty shitty if you ask me, i don't get the hero worship of that guy.
Think of him as the Belgian Clint Eastwood. He's there to kick ass and win titles, not play mommy.

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