Can we agree RV and TC

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BD233 3/8/2015 4:58pm
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They shortened the race because of heat???? Lmfao. That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. It was only like 98-100 degrees??
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pilotdude 3/8/2015 5:03pm
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BobbyM wrote:
RV has the balls to race out of his comfort zone and hit the gp circuit. TC lacks the balls to race SX and Mx in...
RV has the balls to race out of his comfort zone and hit the gp circuit. TC lacks the balls to race SX and Mx in the US.

BIG difference.
This all the fucking way.
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karsmakers 3/8/2015 5:07pm
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2strokerider wrote:
nobody racing 250fs in the US would get anywhere near herlings outdoors- don't kid yourself.... herlings is on another level
karsmakers wrote:
How do you know? Covington got 5th in that class. Jeremy is super fast outdoors and though I would agree that Herlings is better overall, I...
How do you know? Covington got 5th in that class. Jeremy is super fast outdoors and though I would agree that Herlings is better overall, I still believe a few of the AMA riders could get"very near him".

Top Ten riders.....not in order of speed:
RV
AC
Dungey
DeSaille
Herlings
Rocsen
Paulin
Tomac
Canard
Nagl, Febrve, Musquin,Strijbos, Martin,Bam Bam

Thats five from each series
Flex wrote:
Funny you didn't include JS7 but you include guys that have 0 titles and that Stewart has consistently beat.
I hear you......James is fast and has been faster than most listed above...but he is slowing down and becoming more inconsistant. I'll stay with what I wroteWink
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pilotdude 3/8/2015 5:09pm
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moto0852 wrote:
Not sure (unfortunately) that you can put Bubba in there anymore but TC and RV and Herlings are up there no doubt. I've really gone from...
Not sure (unfortunately) that you can put Bubba in there anymore but TC and RV and Herlings are up there no doubt. I've really gone from being an american chest thumper to just hoping upon hope that everyone stays healthy this year and we see some good racing.
bd wrote:
Herlings comes to US, there are a few riders who will race with him every week. The 250F MXGP class is weaker than the US counterpart...
Herlings comes to US, there are a few riders who will race with him every week. The 250F MXGP class is weaker than the US counterpart (at the moment).

450F MX and 450GP mirror each other
2strokerider wrote:
nobody racing 250fs in the US would get anywhere near herlings outdoors- don't kid yourself.... herlings is on another level
The last time I head the words, "he is on another level" were in September 2007 in Maryland. It was being said by a bunch of drunk British fans around me talking about Antonio Cairolli.

That was on Saturday shortly before qualifying. It got pretty quiet from there on out.

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2strokerider wrote:
nobody racing 250fs in the US would get anywhere near herlings outdoors- don't kid yourself.... herlings is on another level
In Europe maybe. He's not coming over here and waxing everybody his first year.

The heat, tracks, food, it would take a season to learn.

That's also saying he can stay out of the party scene, being young and rich in so cal .....
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Barrett57 3/8/2015 5:23pm
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roost wrote:
Doesn't take balls to come to the greatest Country on the planet and have a great time with fun loving Americans... It takes balls to leave...
Doesn't take balls to come to the greatest Country on the planet and have a great time with fun loving Americans...

It takes balls to leave the greatest Country on the planet to go race in shithole fields with Anti-American Bigots.
Greatest country on the planet? They went to the USA not Australia.

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Flex 3/8/2015 5:31pm
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karsmakers wrote:
How do you know? Covington got 5th in that class. Jeremy is super fast outdoors and though I would agree that Herlings is better overall, I...
How do you know? Covington got 5th in that class. Jeremy is super fast outdoors and though I would agree that Herlings is better overall, I still believe a few of the AMA riders could get"very near him".

Top Ten riders.....not in order of speed:
RV
AC
Dungey
DeSaille
Herlings
Rocsen
Paulin
Tomac
Canard
Nagl, Febrve, Musquin,Strijbos, Martin,Bam Bam

Thats five from each series
Flex wrote:
Funny you didn't include JS7 but you include guys that have 0 titles and that Stewart has consistently beat.
karsmakers wrote:
I hear you......James is fast and has been faster than most listed above...but he is slowing down and becoming more inconsistant. I'll stay with what I...
I hear you......James is fast and has been faster than most listed above...but he is slowing down and becoming more inconsistant. I'll stay with what I wroteWink
James had 3 moto wins outdoors this year and was on the rise before he had a major downfall after all the stuff going on. 5 Supercross wins..

He is faster than most on that list.

You put 250 riders on the list yet no JS7, I find that hilarious. Bam Bam is not on the same level as JS7 outdoors or indoors.
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bsharkey 3/8/2015 5:32pm
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BobbyM wrote:
RV has the balls to race out of his comfort zone and hit the gp circuit. TC lacks the balls to race SX and Mx in...
RV has the balls to race out of his comfort zone and hit the gp circuit. TC lacks the balls to race SX and Mx in the US.

BIG difference.
shuggs wrote:
Eh no. RV had enough of racing in US and then (from what I understand) had to race something for the last year of his contract...
Eh no. RV had enough of racing in US and then (from what I understand) had to race something for the last year of his contract - not because he wanted too but it was going to cost him to get out of contract. HE THEN had the balls to go GP racing and IMO so far it seems to be working as seen him with a smile on his face a few times.

US fans need to realise that SX/ MX is a seriously long season and does take it toll and only a special few can cope with that for any length of time - eg RC retired (too) early, MC supercross only, on the other hand KW could handle it.

Leave it with you to come back with your thoughts..........
it is amazing how many wins Rc had retiring at 26. !!! what even more amazing is how relatively injury free he was too. I wonder is Rv could have come close to rickys records had he not missed 2 complete sx seasons and
2 outdoor seasons
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karsmakers 3/8/2015 5:38pm
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Flex wrote:
Funny you didn't include JS7 but you include guys that have 0 titles and that Stewart has consistently beat.
karsmakers wrote:
I hear you......James is fast and has been faster than most listed above...but he is slowing down and becoming more inconsistant. I'll stay with what I...
I hear you......James is fast and has been faster than most listed above...but he is slowing down and becoming more inconsistant. I'll stay with what I wroteWink
Flex wrote:
James had 3 moto wins outdoors this year and was on the rise before he had a major downfall after all the stuff going on. 5...
James had 3 moto wins outdoors this year and was on the rise before he had a major downfall after all the stuff going on. 5 Supercross wins..

He is faster than most on that list.

You put 250 riders on the list yet no JS7, I find that hilarious. Bam Bam is not on the same level as JS7 outdoors or indoors.
James isn't presently racing.....plus him and Chad are old enough to have grand babby"s if they live in FloridaLaughing Just fkn with ya...of course your right that james could beat damn near anyone on a given day so we will slide him in with the wanna be's at level 10Wink
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BobbyM wrote:
RV has the balls to race out of his comfort zone and hit the gp circuit. TC lacks the balls to race SX and Mx in...
RV has the balls to race out of his comfort zone and hit the gp circuit. TC lacks the balls to race SX and Mx in the US.

BIG difference.
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BobbyM wrote:
RV has the balls to race out of his comfort zone and hit the gp circuit. TC lacks the balls to race SX and Mx in...
RV has the balls to race out of his comfort zone and hit the gp circuit. TC lacks the balls to race SX and Mx in the US.

BIG difference.
And you can assure me 100% it was nothing contractual?
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mumhra 3/9/2015 9:39am
3/9/2015 9:39am Edited Date/Time 3/9/2015 9:51am
What a sad place this forum has become. Almost every thread ends in a discussion about who is he best rider, whcih series is better, where the better riders are, etc etc etc.
But when i hear a european rider talk about RV i hear nothing but the utmost respect. When i hear RV talk about the European riders i hear the same thing. But some jerkoff's here who, let's be honoust, have proved absolutely nothing in their meaningless lives, keep on bashing on the GP series, theGP riders, the AMA series, RV,.... I have a few names on my list who i'm thinking about but i won't say them out loud. You probably know well enough yourself if you are one of them. If RV can give respect to AC, the other European riders and the series in general, and if all those European riders cangive respect to RV, then why can't you jerkoff's?
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ChrisB10 3/9/2015 9:57am
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bd wrote:
Herlings comes to US, there are a few riders who will race with him every week. The 250F MXGP class is weaker than the US counterpart...
Herlings comes to US, there are a few riders who will race with him every week. The 250F MXGP class is weaker than the US counterpart (at the moment).

450F MX and 450GP mirror each other
2strokerider wrote:
nobody racing 250fs in the US would get anywhere near herlings outdoors- don't kid yourself.... herlings is on another level
pilotdude wrote:
The last time I head the words, "he is on another level" were in September 2007 in Maryland. It was being said by a bunch of...
The last time I head the words, "he is on another level" were in September 2007 in Maryland. It was being said by a bunch of drunk British fans around me talking about Antonio Cairolli.

That was on Saturday shortly before qualifying. It got pretty quiet from there on out.
LOL. RV on the 250f....
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peelout 3/9/2015 10:00am
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i was really hoping RV would track down Desalle and Cairoli, but i understand why he may not have. there are a lot of factors, being consistent early after a horrible weekend last week. the weather. Cairoli and Desalle were just riding great. who really cares. great race all around and props to RV for his first overall and also to Desalle for his red plate and Cairoli for his moto win. this is going to be an awesome season, that is apparent.


also, i have no fucking clue why anyone is bringing a guy that isn't racing ANY series right now into the topic. some of you guys just love fishing.
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Titan1 3/9/2015 10:27am
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roost wrote:
AC222: "Then I was able to get a good start in my second race to be out in front and to make a good rhythm on...
AC222:
"Then I was able to get a good start in my second race to be out in front and to make a good rhythm on a track that was very dangerous. I like jumps but this was way too much and also some were very sketchy"...


Sounds like the tender lady wouldn't like SX....
St Ann More wrote:
Must have hurt to see that tender lady smoke RV like a cheap cigar in the second moto...
I forget, who won the overall?

BristolBlue 3/9/2015 10:55am
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roost wrote:
AC222: "Then I was able to get a good start in my second race to be out in front and to make a good rhythm on...
AC222:
"Then I was able to get a good start in my second race to be out in front and to make a good rhythm on a track that was very dangerous. I like jumps but this was way too much and also some were very sketchy"...


Sounds like the tender lady wouldn't like SX....
St Ann More wrote:
Must have hurt to see that tender lady smoke RV like a cheap cigar in the second moto...
Titan1 wrote:
I forget, who won the overall?

This week or last week? Getting boring.....Zzzz

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Olson 3/9/2015 10:56am
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Man, can't believe I ended up going through another stupid thread. Possibly ever more stupid than the other.
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St Ann More wrote:
Must have hurt to see that tender lady smoke RV like a cheap cigar in the second moto...
Titan1 wrote:
I forget, who won the overall?

BristolBlue wrote:
This week or last week? Getting boring.....Zzzz
This week...when he got good starts, didn't crash twice (or was it three times?), stall on the gate, or have rear brake problems.
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moto0852 wrote:
Not sure (unfortunately) that you can put Bubba in there anymore but TC and RV and Herlings are up there no doubt. I've really gone from...
Not sure (unfortunately) that you can put Bubba in there anymore but TC and RV and Herlings are up there no doubt. I've really gone from being an american chest thumper to just hoping upon hope that everyone stays healthy this year and we see some good racing.
James finished 4th in the SX series last year and he really only had three really bad rounds. He only scored 1 point in each of the last two rounds and 4 at the opening round. 24 more points and he would have finished 2nd in the series. Also, James won 5 rounds last year which was more than any outer rider than RV. With RV out James would have been a title threat for sure especially considering that there is only one guy that out there now that is super consistent.


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ATKpilot99 3/9/2015 11:30am
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Olson wrote:
Man, can't believe I ended up going through another stupid thread. Possibly ever more stupid than the other.
Agreed . Bunch of wankers .
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Olson 3/9/2015 12:22pm
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Olson wrote:
Man, can't believe I ended up going through another stupid thread. Possibly ever more stupid than the other.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Agreed . Bunch of wankers .
That's an insult to the true wankers.
StartedTooLate 3/9/2015 12:52pm
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US Riders spend 75% of their year focusing on SX. They start outdoor testing 2 weeks before MX. After the season is over, it is back to SX.

SX
AMA Pro MX
GP MX

They are all different. GP tracks have a different flow. There are a lot more big singles, and they get choppier, as has been discussed here. Because they get so choppy and rough, they require a different set up (much softer if you believe that DV has a clue)

So what the heck does "best" mean. Best at SX? Best at AMA style MX? Best at GP MX? Best overall? OK...how to you weight each?

One thing I am pretty sure is that the top 10 AMA SX Pros will be a lot stronger in the GPs...than the top 10 GP riders would be in SX. TC has said many times that he has no desire to ride SX, and is not very good at it. He could not even main a 450 SX main without a LOT of work.

If we throw out SX....and just compare AMA MX to GP MX...I would say the fields are pretty comparable within the top 10. Outside the top 10...the AMA field is a lot deeper.
2WheelsForTheMasses 3/9/2015 2:39pm
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Im not completely sold on Rv being faster than Clement Desalle at the moment. You watch 2 races and now you are considering Rv being on of the two best riders in the world?
The Source 3/9/2015 3:46pm
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The best rider in the world at the moment is the only one with the Red Plate..end of discussion.
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GrapeApe 3/9/2015 3:47pm
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The Source wrote:
The best rider in the world at the moment is the only one with the Red Plate..end of discussion.
Dungey? Hard to argue with you . . .
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peelout 3/9/2015 3:49pm
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The Source wrote:
The best rider in the world at the moment is the only one with the Red Plate..end of discussion.
GrapeApe wrote:
Dungey? Hard to argue with you . . .
i think he's talking about Muskin, only logical answer besides the Dung

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