Mitch Payton's comment on the FIM

MX558 wrote:

Mahe we don't need FIM but let's face it the AMA is a joke . They let the factories make and enforce the rules as they...

Mahe we don't need FIM but let's face it the AMA is a joke . They let the factories make and enforce the rules as they see fit .

machine wrote:

Exactly!...Stewart would have been racing if it was up to the AMA, even though he blatantly cheated. The bottom line is if your a JS fan...

Exactly!...Stewart would have been racing if it was up to the AMA, even though he blatantly cheated. The bottom line is if your a JS fan the FIM sucks, if your not, they are alright and did their jobs and kept the sport from becoming corrupt in this instance.

ACBraap wrote:

I don't think he blatantly cheated, but just for arguments sake, suppose he was*. The problem with the FIM signing on with WADA is the one...

I don't think he blatantly cheated, but just for arguments sake, suppose he was*. The problem with the FIM signing on with WADA is the one size fits all approach to penalties. In endurance sports like cycling or marathons, EPO is like running a big bore. It's a massive difference, the difference between winning and losing. If JS had a fuel violation, or had run a big bore, or some other equipment violation, he probably would have lost points for one race, and maybe the team put on probation. A punishment much more commensurate with the violation, IMO. Penalties should reflect the advantage gained in a specific sport. It's hard to believe an inadvertent drug violation could receive a penalty so drastically different than an equipment or conduct violation.


*But, he presumably did sign forms at various points saying he was subject to WADA testing and rules, and it was his and his teams responsibility to understand and follow those rules.

Motor_Centre wrote:

Under normal circumstances the FIM is the general governing body for all Motorcycle racing world wide. So to be under the FIM banner normally gives the...

Under normal circumstances the FIM is the general governing body for all Motorcycle racing world wide. So to be under the FIM banner normally gives the series legitimacy.

The problem with the AMA is that for a long time the AMA series has been the coverted series ! By Riders and Fans and the FIM MXGP not so much. So there is political will involved.

Is it just coincidental that before FIM was involved with AMA they where strong and FIM MXGP was weak? Since they have been involved the AMA the AMA series has lost ground to the MXGP series ? Make one wonder.

MXGP had a problem of rider leaving and wanting to leave and go to the more prestigious AMA series - Big problem for FIM.

Now that FIM are involved with AMA its the otherway round - Go figure. RV has gone the other way round - Herling is staying in MXGP. So it is in the FIM's interest financially and other wise to have a rider like James Stewart banned from racing becuase is strenghtens their own cause. That is the exact problem with FIM overuling AMA. Whether JS banning was right or wrong does not matter. The point is their board that decides these matter cannot have an un biased rulling on AMA becuase decisions they make directly impacts their own jobs. So if FIM impact the AMA series by banning one of it draw card to the series people will think they are doing it on purpose wether they are or not is irelevant and for that reason alone they should not rule in AMA !

IMO take the FIM out of AMA will make the AMA better - The reverse has alread been proven.

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Btw, about to have a tooth yanked, so off to lala land and out of the loop for a day or so. Cheers

scott_nz wrote:

is this because the AMA has a great history of running motorcycling championships? like the road race series which died? like the flat track series that...

is this because the AMA has a great history of running motorcycling championships?

like the road race series which died? like the flat track series that nearly died?

Motor_Centre wrote:

Under normal circumstances the FIM is the general governing body for all Motorcycle racing world wide. So to be under the FIM banner normally gives the...

Under normal circumstances the FIM is the general governing body for all Motorcycle racing world wide. So to be under the FIM banner normally gives the series legitimacy.

The problem with the AMA is that for a long time the AMA series has been the coverted series ! By Riders and Fans and the FIM MXGP not so much. So there is political will involved.

Is it just coincidental that before FIM was involved with AMA they where strong and FIM MXGP was weak? Since they have been involved the AMA the AMA series has lost ground to the MXGP series ? Make one wonder.

MXGP had a problem of rider leaving and wanting to leave and go to the more prestigious AMA series - Big problem for FIM.

Now that FIM are involved with AMA its the otherway round - Go figure. RV has gone the other way round - Herling is staying in MXGP. So it is in the FIM's interest financially and other wise to have a rider like James Stewart banned from racing becuase is strenghtens their own cause. That is the exact problem with FIM overuling AMA. Whether JS banning was right or wrong does not matter. The point is their board that decides these matter cannot have an un biased rulling on AMA becuase decisions they make directly impacts their own jobs. So if FIM impact the AMA series by banning one of it draw card to the series people will think they are doing it on purpose wether they are or not is irelevant and for that reason alone they should not rule in AMA !

IMO take the FIM out of AMA will make the AMA better - The reverse has alread been proven.

scott_nz wrote:

is this because the AMA has a great history of running motorcycling championships? like the road race series which died? like the flat track series that...

is this because the AMA has a great history of running motorcycling championships?

like the road race series which died? like the flat track series that nearly died?

TeamGreen wrote:

Hmmmmm... 10 Months for a DUI...errrr...I mean [b]RACING WHILE UNDER THE INFLUENCE[/b]..? This... [b]THIS...Is what I all Catching Break! [/b] Thursday 26th February 2015, 14:23 On...

Hmmmmm...

10 Months for a DUI...errrr...I mean RACING WHILE UNDER THE INFLUENCE..?

This...

THIS...Is what I all Catching Break!



Thursday 26th February 2015, 14:23

On 17 August 2014, Mr Darcy Ward underwent an alcohol test at the round of the 2014 FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship held in Daugavpils, Latvia. The test was positive for a level above the threshold specified in the FIM Anti-Doping Code (P.1 Alcohol).

On 28 August 2014, the FIM provisionally suspended Mr Ward pending the CDI’s decision adjudicating on the merits of the case. Since then, Mr Ward has been provisionally barred from participating in any competition. The case was referred to the CDI and Mr Lars Nilsson of Sweden was appointed by the Director of the International Commission of Judges (CJI) as CDI Single Judge to hear the case. On 19 September 2014, a Request made by the Rider on 3 September 2014 for the lifting of his provisional suspension was denied by the CDI.

Mr Ward was heard by the CDI during a Hearing held in a hotel situated near the headquarters of the FIM on 30 January 2015.

The CDI has now issued the operative part of its decision in advance of the reasons at the special request of Mr Ward. The CDI found that Mr Ward committed an anti-doping rule violation under the 2014 FIM Anti-Doping Code.

The CDI ruled that Mr Ward is sanctioned with a period of ineligibility of ten (10) months commencing on the date of the decision, 25 February 2015, and that the period of the provisional suspension already served by Mr Ward shall be credited against the period of the sanction.

Consequently, the period of ineligibility imposed on Mr Ward will end on 27 June 2015 at midnight.

Moreover, the CDI ruled that the results obtained by Mr Ward in all the Competitions in which he participated subsequent to the positive test, from 17 August 2014 until 27 August 2014, are cancelled, with all resulting consequences, including forfeiture of any points and prizes.

An appeal against the decision of the CDI may be lodged by the parties before the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in Lausanne (Switzerland) within 21 days of the date of receipt of the full reasoned CDI decision.

scott_nz wrote:

10 months from the decision, so it ends up similar to JS7's which was 16 months from the test, he was barred from racing from the...

10 months from the decision, so it ends up similar to JS7's which was 16 months from the test, he was barred from racing from the test date, which James was still able to race,

philG wrote:

World sports need world rules.... NASCAR NBA , and NFL are sports nobody outside the US does or cares about,they can do what they like...

World sports need world rules.... NASCAR NBA , and NFL are sports nobody outside the US does or cares about,they can do what they like , but MX is a global sport , where bikes are produced by many manufacturers all over the world , so the rules need to apply all over the world , for world , and national championships.

Else is makes it just another made up sport that nobody else does.

FreshTopEnd wrote:

All sports are "made up" substitutes for war. The issue is whether the system is efficient and predictable. All you need is competent people and commercial...

All sports are "made up" substitutes for war. The issue is whether the system is efficient and predictable.

All you need is competent people and commercial checks and balances ~ stability and predictability that induces people to expend the time and energy to participate. What sorts of organization does that is beside the point.

Unfortunately, we seem to attract more iconoclasts than stable and predictable people, made worse by them populating multiple entities that think they run things.

The FIM and the AMA are anachronism riding the coattails of Feld and Youthstream.

gsxrcr28 wrote:

Blatantly cheated? We know Machine is a lost cause, but you're smarter than that Skippie. WADA"s panel of physicians agreed he should be taking the medication.

Skippie wrote:

I wasn't agreeing with his assessment of Stewart. Just that according to the rules previously set up, he did. I guess cheating isn't the best word...

I wasn't agreeing with his assessment of Stewart. Just that according to the rules previously set up, he did. I guess cheating isn't the best word, violated more like it. Either way the point is if you're a die hard Stewart fan you hate the FIM, if you're a fan of the sport and all it's riders you see why the decision had to be made.

gsxrcr28 wrote:

I don't think anyone hates the FIM. I'm a fan of the sport as well as all the riders, always have been since 1976. There's never...

I don't think anyone hates the FIM. I'm a fan of the sport as well as all the riders, always have been since 1976. There's never been a rider I didn't like. I think what Mitch, DC, McGrath, Deegan, president of the AMA and other industry people have spoken up about is the way the FIM handled the situation due to its length of time to make a decision, and the penalty not fitting the crime. Nobody would have a problem with the penalty if it was for someone who they think was trying to cheat, or for Steroids, EPO, etc..,

Atmos wrote:

Mitch obviously doesn't understand the AMA/FIM relationship. Perhaps he should stick to building race engines.