Where would reedy be without the black flag.

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2/22/2015 9:22am
Its not rocket science, he'd have another 10-15 points.
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2/22/2015 9:40am
Reed would be 54 points out and Canard about 18

but lets get real, Trey made a bad calculation and they crashed then Reed made a bad move retaliating, So they both have ownership in where they currently are.
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2/22/2015 9:47am
GuyB wrote:
Put yourself in the spot of having to make a decision on the penalty. What would it have been?
In most racing series' a black flag displayed to you is nothing more than a consultation flag. You pull into the pits / pit lane to discuss with the steward what the issue is. A part hanging from your car, an unknown substance leaking from your vehicle etc... including possible disqualification.

I would institute a timed penalty scenario where the rider would pull into the designated consultation zone at the end of the mechanics area and whatever penalty, including disqualification would be assesed By the steward positioned there. I would have instituted a 30 second penalty due to the rider going down.
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2/22/2015 9:50am
I think the better way to phrase this headline would be, "Where would Reed be if he didn't let his ego get the better of him?"

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2/22/2015 10:11am
he would be 4th in points, with around 120-122 points, still at least 55 off Dungey,

if he had not taken out Canard with the cheap shot off the racing line, Canard would be about 5-7 points closer to Dungey,

2/22/2015 10:18am
You have to remember that if Reed hadn't been black flagged, we would be living a completely re-written version of the future in which Reed may not have won last night. It's called the "Butterfly Effect". It's not as simple as just adding X amount of points to Reeds current total.
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logan_140 wrote:
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh...
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh well go reedy and make a statement and screw you gallager
GuyB wrote:
Put yourself in the spot of having to make a decision on the penalty. What would it have been?
I'd have made a real quick decision, that was inconsistent with what's played out recently in other heats, races.

Or maybe not let emotion make me cast a quick judgement on reeds screw-up.

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2/23/2015 3:07am
You have to remember that if Reed hadn't been black flagged, we would be living a completely re-written version of the future in which Reed may...
You have to remember that if Reed hadn't been black flagged, we would be living a completely re-written version of the future in which Reed may not have won last night. It's called the "Butterfly Effect". It's not as simple as just adding X amount of points to Reeds current total.
Yep.

Just like you can't add points from a dnf in 2011 for Dungey.

It's a different situation. The riders ride the situation and series presented. Who knows if Reedy isn't more focused with a shot at it in his mind instead of fuck it.

2/23/2015 3:26am
He'll be around 4th-5th, with Tomac, Anderson, Seely, Baggett and Short on his tale in the points.

Its a 6 rider battle right there I assume, and I believe the more consistent you are, the more chance to finish in front of the other you have. I believe that because Chad is the wiser of all of those 6, he'll be in front of most of those other 5 boys at the end of the championship. I believe we could say Eli too, because he's by far the fastest of the 6 and could get some wins that would give him some big points, but he could also have other nights like Atlanta and lose a lot of points. I believe this actual 6 way battle in points between ET3, JA21, CS14, CR22, BB4 and AS29 will be won by either the wise Chad Reed, the fast guy Eli Tomac, or the consistent Cole Seely, who is always around the top 5 or the podium (finish in the top 10 a bad night).
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2/23/2015 12:18pm
I think Blake Baggett said it best when asked for his opinion on this.

Blake said "I am pretty sure there is a starting gate and a checkered flag and anything that happens in-between is racing"

Title chase or not, the black flag will always be a black eye for the AMA.
2/23/2015 12:32pm
logan_140 wrote:
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh...
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh well go reedy and make a statement and screw you gallager
GuyB wrote:
Put yourself in the spot of having to make a decision on the penalty. What would it have been?
A fine and a season long probation....It was blatant and it was at a slow speed.
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2/23/2015 12:35pm
I think it lit a fire under Reed's belly, he has been stronger after it happened
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2/23/2015 12:42pm
agn5009 wrote:
He would be in the top 5. But realistically he wouldn't be in the title hunt. Even if reed would have got 1st place at the...
He would be in the top 5. But realistically he wouldn't be in the title hunt. Even if reed would have got 1st place at the event he was black flagged (which he wouldn't have) he'd still be behind by roughly 40 points. Mathematically, yes still in the hunt. Realistically, no he wouldn't be.
logan_140 wrote:
Never know. Dungey could have a bad night. Roczen has had 2 bad nights. And tomac always crashes. He got screwed.
Did it to himself.
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2/23/2015 12:43pm
Probably 10-15 points closer. I'd agree that it did light a fire so who knows what would have happened in the races after the DQ if there was no call.

And im with the majority of racers on the black flag; it was a bad call.
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2/23/2015 12:46pm Edited Date/Time 4/9/2015 9:50am
500guy wrote:
Reed would be 54 points out and Canard about 18 but lets get real, Trey made a bad calculation and they crashed then Reed made a...
Reed would be 54 points out and Canard about 18

but lets get real, Trey made a bad calculation and they crashed then Reed made a bad move retaliating, So they both have ownership in where they currently are.
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mxpro252 wrote:
Probably 10-15 points closer. I'd agree that it did light a fire so who knows what would have happened in the races after the DQ if...
Probably 10-15 points closer. I'd agree that it did light a fire so who knows what would have happened in the races after the DQ if there was no call.

And im with the majority of racers on the black flag; it was a bad call.
I actually supported the black flag, that doesnt mean i hate Chad Reed (before that is said!!)
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2/23/2015 12:51pm
mxpro252 wrote:
Probably 10-15 points closer. I'd agree that it did light a fire so who knows what would have happened in the races after the DQ if...
Probably 10-15 points closer. I'd agree that it did light a fire so who knows what would have happened in the races after the DQ if there was no call.

And im with the majority of racers on the black flag; it was a bad call.
I agree. I think the original incident would have lit the fire without the retaliation move. That was a real frustrating moment for CR especially given how his season had gone up to that point. Hoping Reed can get himself back into it. Moreso I'd like to see him end the season healthy.
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2/23/2015 12:54pm
He`d be 3 points behind Dungey.
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2/23/2015 1:08pm
When was there a black flag used last in SX?
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2/23/2015 1:24pm
mxpro252 wrote:
Probably 10-15 points closer. I'd agree that it did light a fire so who knows what would have happened in the races after the DQ if...
Probably 10-15 points closer. I'd agree that it did light a fire so who knows what would have happened in the races after the DQ if there was no call.

And im with the majority of racers on the black flag; it was a bad call.
I've heard the argument is for 12 points...for where he estimated that he'd finish.

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2/23/2015 1:27pm
GuyB wrote:
I've heard the argument is for 12 points...for where he estimated that he'd finish.

Seems about right.
2/23/2015 1:38pm


This intentional move was accepted payback by NASCAR officials. In a sport like MX/SX there's also sponsors who want to see riders contending for the Championship. Tomac is proving you don't need a black flag to take yourself out of title contention. We don't need black flags to settle a decision that could be made after the race is over. A monetary fine and/or probation should always be the first choice if possible. Taking points away or black flagging a racer for getting caught up in the emotional battle of racing sounds like a severe penalty for both the rider and sponsor.
2/23/2015 2:05pm
andymoto wrote:
When was there a black flag used last in SX?
when Kyle Chisholm got into a battle with Reed while being lapped, this is after he let his teammate James Stewart though, then tried to block pass Reed back,
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2/23/2015 2:19pm
For fock's sake, this again?

As usual the Reed 'dislikers" slant things their way.

As EVERYONE could see it was just bad luck and bad timing that Reed happened to 'bump' Canard while Canard had one hand off the bars playing with his goggles. Clearly the initial bump would not have done much if Canard had both hands on the bars. I highly doubt Gallagher would have done much as well if Canard had stayed up.

So if it was mainly a bump is Reed really the incarnation of Satan? There has been plenty of bumping and rubbing in the series so far. The main difference is the 'bumpee' in those cases has had both hands on the bars.

YES, Reed clearly intended to go after Canard. But if he had done the exact same thing and Canard had both hands on the bars and merely bobbled for a moment ( but did not crash ) would anyone still be talking about this?


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2/23/2015 2:31pm
logan_140 wrote:
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh...
Seventh in points now seems to me he'd easily be top 5 and could still be in the title hunt.. 0 points really hurt him. Oh well go reedy and make a statement and screw you gallager
GuyB wrote:
Put yourself in the spot of having to make a decision on the penalty. What would it have been?
Personally, I think minimum of 16 months would have been sufficient penalty for this...possibly an 8 month waiting/probation to hear the penalty.
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2/23/2015 2:33pm
race wrote:
For fock's sake, this again? As usual the Reed 'dislikers" slant things their way. As EVERYONE could see it was just bad luck and bad timing...
For fock's sake, this again?

As usual the Reed 'dislikers" slant things their way.

As EVERYONE could see it was just bad luck and bad timing that Reed happened to 'bump' Canard while Canard had one hand off the bars playing with his goggles. Clearly the initial bump would not have done much if Canard had both hands on the bars. I highly doubt Gallagher would have done much as well if Canard had stayed up.

So if it was mainly a bump is Reed really the incarnation of Satan? There has been plenty of bumping and rubbing in the series so far. The main difference is the 'bumpee' in those cases has had both hands on the bars.

YES, Reed clearly intended to go after Canard. But if he had done the exact same thing and Canard had both hands on the bars and merely bobbled for a moment ( but did not crash ) would anyone still be talking about this?


But he did go down, and he did go after him like a small child having a temper tantrum. You are clearly a Rees lover and your biased statement shows that.
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2/23/2015 2:40pm
BobPA wrote:
But he did go down, and he did go after him like a small child having a temper tantrum. You are clearly a Rees lover and...
But he did go down, and he did go after him like a small child having a temper tantrum. You are clearly a Rees lover and your biased statement shows that.
Facts are biased?

How often does a guy have a hand off the bars on the track in the middle of a race?

If he had both hands on the bars and Reed still cleaned him out then fine ... throw the book at him.

I'm merely pointing out that it was Canard's hands being of the bars and not the force of Reeds contact that caused the whole fuss. Bad luck and bad timing. It was a fluke combination of actions.
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2/23/2015 2:44pm
race wrote:
For fock's sake, this again? As usual the Reed 'dislikers" slant things their way. As EVERYONE could see it was just bad luck and bad timing...
For fock's sake, this again?

As usual the Reed 'dislikers" slant things their way.

As EVERYONE could see it was just bad luck and bad timing that Reed happened to 'bump' Canard while Canard had one hand off the bars playing with his goggles. Clearly the initial bump would not have done much if Canard had both hands on the bars. I highly doubt Gallagher would have done much as well if Canard had stayed up.

So if it was mainly a bump is Reed really the incarnation of Satan? There has been plenty of bumping and rubbing in the series so far. The main difference is the 'bumpee' in those cases has had both hands on the bars.

YES, Reed clearly intended to go after Canard. But if he had done the exact same thing and Canard had both hands on the bars and merely bobbled for a moment ( but did not crash ) would anyone still be talking about this?


I am sure a lot more people would be talking if this clear 'bump' would of caused a injury to Canard or if he crashed he went into the track on the other side causing other riders to go down (and cause injury) or if Canard had stayed up then Reed might of tried to take him out again

Yes, lots of conjecture and what if's in my post, same as what yours had

Fact is, no one will try this again due to the precedence it has sent to all riders, thats got to be a good thing in the end doesnt it? And regardless of whether Canard had one hand or not on the handlebars it was dangerous and reckless and stupid
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2/23/2015 2:46pm
BobPA wrote:
But he did go down, and he did go after him like a small child having a temper tantrum. You are clearly a Rees lover and...
But he did go down, and he did go after him like a small child having a temper tantrum. You are clearly a Rees lover and your biased statement shows that.
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Facts are biased? How often does a guy have a hand off the bars on the track in the middle of a race? If he had...
Facts are biased?

How often does a guy have a hand off the bars on the track in the middle of a race?

If he had both hands on the bars and Reed still cleaned him out then fine ... throw the book at him.

I'm merely pointing out that it was Canard's hands being of the bars and not the force of Reeds contact that caused the whole fuss. Bad luck and bad timing. It was a fluke combination of actions.
so a blatant take out with both hands on the bars is not good but with one hand on its ok????



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