2014 SA MX Championship - doping scandal

Edited Date/Time 2/5/2015 11:35pm
Word on the street is that a certain rider who bagged a Championship or two tested positive for Ritalin and one other substance.

Both A & B sample was tested positive.

The MSA (Motorsport South Africa) who falls under the FIM has failed to release a statement regarding their decision to allow for this rider to be on the start-line for 2015.

People and fellow competitors, are not happy at being left in the dark. James Stewart was punished for Adderall which is on par with Ritalin.

We want fair play but most are afraid to speak out.

A simple statement on the findings and the outcome would go very far with the rest of us.
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I always enjoy when a thread starts with "word on the street". How can a rumour flourish about both A and B tests being positive? How is it even possible to have such information leaked? Very unprofessional. I can only assume that information like that is only shared between very few before an offical statement is made.
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Word on the street is that a certain rider who bagged a Championship or two tested positive for Ritalin and one other substance. Both A &...
Word on the street is that a certain rider who bagged a Championship or two tested positive for Ritalin and one other substance.

Both A & B sample was tested positive.

The MSA (Motorsport South Africa) who falls under the FIM has failed to release a statement regarding their decision to allow for this rider to be on the start-line for 2015.

People and fellow competitors, are not happy at being left in the dark. James Stewart was punished for Adderall which is on par with Ritalin.

We want fair play but most are afraid to speak out.

A simple statement on the findings and the outcome would go very far with the rest of us.
And it feels a lot like your only reason to start an account just to keep on leaking the information. Your username doesn't help the case.
2/4/2015 10:31pm
Olson wrote:
I always enjoy when a thread starts with "word on the street". How can a rumour flourish about both A and B tests being positive? How...
I always enjoy when a thread starts with "word on the street". How can a rumour flourish about both A and B tests being positive? How is it even possible to have such information leaked? Very unprofessional. I can only assume that information like that is only shared between very few before an offical statement is made.
This is Africa and we are accustomed to corruption. That is why I have started this thread in a hope that the FIM/WADA will eventually investigate. A number of people have already reported this issue.

I have been a member here for a number of years but chose to open a new account to bring this matter to light.

This is not a rumour but a fact. The rider was tested and results came back positive. Nothing happened. No fine, no point deduction and worst of all, not explanation from our federation.

Olson, do you know the rider in question?

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2/4/2015 11:10pm
Does he go by Rad Cheed down there?

Are you saying they allowed this guy to race? Is this real?

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2/5/2015 12:29am
Stan, the rider you are referring to has a TUE I believe.

I knew the testing was coming more than a month before it happened. Allowed several riders to escape the net.

2/5/2015 12:38am
enketchum wrote:
Does he go by Rad Cheed down there?

Are you saying they allowed this guy to race? Is this real?
Not quite and I hope everyone can remain civil enough to not mention anyone's names until facts are clear.

I believe he will be on the gate this year. Yes its real.
2/5/2015 12:48am
Not quite and I hope everyone can remain civil enough to not mention anyone's names until facts are clear. I believe he will be on the...
Not quite and I hope everyone can remain civil enough to not mention anyone's names until facts are clear.

I believe he will be on the gate this year. Yes its real.
No names will be mentioned. The problem here is that there is zero correspondence throughout the industry.

2/5/2015 1:01am
Not quite and I hope everyone can remain civil enough to not mention anyone's names until facts are clear. I believe he will be on the...
Not quite and I hope everyone can remain civil enough to not mention anyone's names until facts are clear.

I believe he will be on the gate this year. Yes its real.
No names will be mentioned. The problem here is that there is zero correspondence throughout the industry.

Oh I agree and its a three ring circus. I DM'ed you a PR contact from the federation to pose these questions to.

To be fair it does take a long time to figure these doping tests out so there is always a delay.
2/5/2015 1:38am
I spoke directly to the riders father when I heard the news of the failure as I am not one for rumour mongering. He said that the rider in question did not submit his TUE at the beginning of 2014. I was under the impression, that case would follow the same route as the James Stewart one, as it is a duplicate scenario. I was quite surprised when I heard he was given the green light.

2/5/2015 1:51am Edited Date/Time 2/5/2015 2:14am
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I spoke directly to the riders father when I heard the news of the failure as I am not one for rumour mongering. He said that...
I spoke directly to the riders father when I heard the news of the failure as I am not one for rumour mongering. He said that the rider in question did not submit his TUE at the beginning of 2014. I was under the impression, that case would follow the same route as the James Stewart one, as it is a duplicate scenario. I was quite surprised when I heard he was given the green light.

You are correct in everything you have heard and say above.

All we want is clarity in the matter. The team should be ashamed.
2/5/2015 2:35am
Fairplaystan, have you phoned MSA ?
2/5/2015 2:39am
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Fairplaystan, have you phoned MSA ?
Sent a mail to Jaco at MSA.

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2/5/2015 7:47am
how about you just give us a name
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2/5/2015 7:59am Edited Date/Time 2/5/2015 8:00am
Due to legalities I cannot comment to much on this but was also at a loss for words he was given a warning and further to that is not allowed to race on the substance going forward even with a TUE and both samples were positive. However, in saying that SAIDS seem to have a 50/50 ratio on how they determine cases. I know of some where genuine innocence is at fault and they have handed out heavy bans where others which are pretty much done deals are let off with warnings with excuses that are mind blowing. To me the Impey case is 1 of such cases. That excuse still makes my jaw drop.

Just cause an athlete has a TUE and is tested he/she can still test + due to quantity levels of the drug. There is a difference between using it for medical reason at say 90mg a day to abusing it and having levels of triple that where it becomes a PED.



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2/5/2015 8:12am Edited Date/Time 2/5/2015 10:50am
Stan, the rider you are referring to has a TUE I believe. I knew the testing was coming more than a month before it happened. Allowed...
Stan, the rider you are referring to has a TUE I believe.

I knew the testing was coming more than a month before it happened. Allowed several riders to escape the net.

No one escaped for specific reason - none at all and you are unfortunately incorrect. Not getting into it but facts are facts. Drugfree never showed up to the National Prior to the 1 where tests were done and a noise was made and they arrived at the last National.
2/5/2015 8:26am
Mail received from the MSA

Dear XXXXXX



Thank you for your mail which was referred to me, as Rashaad, Dr. De Beer and I are responsible for Anti-Doping at MSA. Please note that a release will be sent out in due course regarding the testing that was conducted at the MX National last year.



I would just like to point out that none of the competitors contravened an anti-doping rule violation. It is important to note that certain medications can be taken during competition as long as they have a TUE and Ritalin happens to be one of them. A Newsletter was sent out recently explaining the TUE requirements and where to go for more information.



Should you have any further anti-doping queries, please do not hesitate to contact either myself, Rashaad or Dr. De Beer.





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Colonel, how do they test here in RSA? Piss in a bottle and or draw blood?
I believe that they should make it public who has TUE's and for what they have a TUE for.

I have heard many conflicting stories of this issue but no-one appears to know what actually went down.



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2/5/2015 9:23am
Canerat wrote:
Colonel, how do they test here in RSA? Piss in a bottle and or draw blood? I believe that they should make it public who has...
Colonel, how do they test here in RSA? Piss in a bottle and or draw blood?
I believe that they should make it public who has TUE's and for what they have a TUE for.

I have heard many conflicting stories of this issue but no-one appears to know what actually went down.



that is illegal under HIPPA regulations....unless, the person consents to this information.


very tricky situation for sure.
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Canerat wrote:
Colonel, how do they test here in RSA? Piss in a bottle and or draw blood? I believe that they should make it public who has...
Colonel, how do they test here in RSA? Piss in a bottle and or draw blood?
I believe that they should make it public who has TUE's and for what they have a TUE for.

I have heard many conflicting stories of this issue but no-one appears to know what actually went down.



Bruce372 wrote:
that is illegal under HIPPA regulations....unless, the person consents to this information.


very tricky situation for sure.
How are tests done in the USA, Europe and other countries?
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Why do drugs like ritaline and adderall qualify as blood doping? I mean ACTUAL blood doping is a completely different animal than those two substances
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2/5/2015 9:35am
Canerat wrote:
Colonel, how do they test here in RSA? Piss in a bottle and or draw blood? I believe that they should make it public who has...
Colonel, how do they test here in RSA? Piss in a bottle and or draw blood?
I believe that they should make it public who has TUE's and for what they have a TUE for.

I have heard many conflicting stories of this issue but no-one appears to know what actually went down.



Seems pretty clear to me what went down by the letter that fairplaystan posted. "I would just like to point out that none of the competitors contravened an anti-doping rule violation".
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2/5/2015 10:53am
Canerat wrote:
Colonel, how do they test here in RSA? Piss in a bottle and or draw blood? I believe that they should make it public who has...
Colonel, how do they test here in RSA? Piss in a bottle and or draw blood?
I believe that they should make it public who has TUE's and for what they have a TUE for.

I have heard many conflicting stories of this issue but no-one appears to know what actually went down.



In SA they do both, not every test but they do. I have had Blood and Urine samples taken and sometimes just urine. Certain athletes are also on a biological passport which has caught some athletes out and had them sanctioned.

Honestly, to try and explain PEDS, testing and procedures here is pointless as you get questions like this "Why do drugs like ritaline and adderall qualify as blood doping?" unfortunately shows that the knowledge of this subject is zero. Its like fighting with a drunk.


This is something I know very, very well so you know how to get hold of me and I'll explain everything to you one on one bud.
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Canerat wrote:
How are tests done in the USA, Europe and other countries?
Testing is standard world wide from in competition and out of competition.
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Okay, I'll swing back around by Thanks giving day, a name should be released by then!Wink Tongue
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2/5/2015 11:32am
Jim Lahey wrote:
Why do drugs like ritaline and adderall qualify as blood doping? I mean ACTUAL blood doping is a completely different animal than those two substances
they don't- you are comparing apples and oranges.

there is biologic drug doping, ie EPO, HGH drugs (often injected), some steroids that are not orally available (ie they either aren't absorbed in the gut or get metabolized in the gut etc.

there is chemical drug doping, ie. amphetamines, clenbuterol, oral steroids etc.

and then there is blood doping, homogolus where you use someone elses blood or autologous where you use your own.

and there is also other methods for boosting oxygen capacity of the blood.

there are lots of drugs out there, and they work by many different mechanisms that can improve athletic performance by all sorts of means other than supplying more oxygen to the muscles.
2/5/2015 11:52am
Stan, the rider you are referring to has a TUE I believe. I knew the testing was coming more than a month before it happened. Allowed...
Stan, the rider you are referring to has a TUE I believe.

I knew the testing was coming more than a month before it happened. Allowed several riders to escape the net.

colonel wrote:
No one escaped for specific reason - none at all and you are unfortunately incorrect. Not getting into it but facts are facts. Drugfree never showed...
No one escaped for specific reason - none at all and you are unfortunately incorrect. Not getting into it but facts are facts. Drugfree never showed up to the National Prior to the 1 where tests were done and a noise was made and they arrived at the last National.
Thanks for letting me know Wakefield.
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2/5/2015 11:58am
Word on the street is that a certain rider who bagged a Championship or two tested positive for Ritalin and one other substance. Both A &...
Word on the street is that a certain rider who bagged a Championship or two tested positive for Ritalin and one other substance.

Both A & B sample was tested positive.

The MSA (Motorsport South Africa) who falls under the FIM has failed to release a statement regarding their decision to allow for this rider to be on the start-line for 2015.

People and fellow competitors, are not happy at being left in the dark. James Stewart was punished for Adderall which is on par with Ritalin.

We want fair play but most are afraid to speak out.

A simple statement on the findings and the outcome would go very far with the rest of us.
Until we know the other substance we can't call it a "doping" scandal for the ritalin. Doping refers to blood doping, not ADD medicine.

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