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1/21/2015 5:16am
So many injuries from bad form with crossfit. If you slow down and maintain good form (yes that means less weight) you can get something out of it.

Something I've found out about crossfit, it's like a cult. They are equally as annoying as vegans who want everyone to know the choices they've made.
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1/21/2015 5:46am
I live on 20 acres and have a long list of stuff that always needs to be done. I charge only $40 an hour to let you come "train" at my exclusive outdoor crossfit gym. Bring gloves.
1/21/2015 6:33am
MXD wrote:
Has anyone tried this? If so, can you give me some feedback? I'm a 40 year old vet B rider, hockey player and casual road and...
Has anyone tried this? If so, can you give me some feedback? I'm a 40 year old vet B rider, hockey player and casual road and mountain biker. I'm in above average shape for the average 40 year old but I really want to step up my overall condition and athleticism. One important detail is that 2 and half years ago I had a microdiscectomy for a ruptured disc. The surgery was a total success and I have returned to a normal life but I still need to take certain precautions while working out.
MXD,

I highly recommend giving it a try. I had a big misconception before I started that I needed to be in extremely good shape to be able to make it through a workout before I actually went. I have now been doing crossfit six days a week for the past year and half and I have never been as pleased with a workout regimen as I am with crossfit. We do something different everyday and it never gets old. Learning the correct technique is crucial to avoid injury and also to get better but if you're going to do something you should do it right anyways. I have had four knee surgeries and with the proper coaching and discipline I am currently squatting 360 with no problems. I have found that the sense of community and competition within our class fuel me to get better everyday. Some people can workout on their own but I personally do better within a group environment with encouragement. If your main focus is to do it in order to get better on the bike conditioning then stick to lighter weights in the workouts. To make a long story short, jump in and give it a try. Find a local gym that suits you best and give it a shot. If you do I would love to hear your feedback. Good luck in your journey!
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I took a break, but was doing it quite a bit a year ago. I lost 18 pounds and put on a lot of strength. I really like it....our gym stresses only doing what you feel comfortable doing. I'd much rather do a 40 minute crossfit workout, than go to the meat head section of the gym, do a set of 3, then look at myself in the mirror for the next 10 minutes with my buddies....

To each their own.

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1/21/2015 6:40am
I'm sure others said it, but you can get hurt bad doing crossfit with the wrong group or teachers & they're a friggin cult obsessed with palieo diet. I did crossfit for a while & was amazed at the olympic lifts with bad form & going fast. Kettle ball swings, front squats, burpees, using the rower, pull ups all good stuff. But some of the other dumb shit they will have you do will hurt your back, knees & it is not good for a guy in his 40's to be thrust into Crossfit.
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1/21/2015 8:33am Edited Date/Time 1/21/2015 8:35am
I'm 32 and have disc issues in my back and fresh off a knee surgery ..i've been doing Crossfit for 2 years now and im in the best shape of my life. Not to mention my back pain is GONE due to building muscle in my low back. In the first 3 months i dropped 20 lbs and got a six pack.. I've never had one injury because of it either! Now with that being said i personally believe the biggest factor is how good the trainers and programming are at your local Crossfit facility? I am lucky enough have one of the best in the country a few miles from my house and form & safety are the main concern.

Sadly new box's are popping up all over with trainers that have little to no experience and are giving Crossfit a terrible name by letting people lift heavy with bad form.. people complain about the price but when you compare it to having a personal trainer 3-5 days a week it's cheap.

I recommend it to anyone but 1st Check your ego at the door its your biggest enemy. 2nd never lift to heavy so you can maintain proper form. 3rd forget the competition aspect and do it for yourself and your fitness . this is another part of crossfit that causes problems..the main goal for many is to compete,training the body past its natural limits in order to compete against the worlds best athletes. Look at any sporting competition like gymnastics or football/ basketball. Injuries are prevalent because people push the body past its limits trying to beat the other guy. Same goes for Crossfit but you will never be Rich Froning. One of the best things is it's definitely the most motivating form of exercise there is because of the environment..the people are great and encourage you to live a healthy lifestyle. .. the girls working out with you in teeny tiny booty shorts aren't bad either.
1/21/2015 9:02am
I know a girl that does crossfit. The first year, damn, she turned an absolutely amazing body. Her entire body, wow wow wow. She was addicted to that style of workout. Then she started to look too muscular. Maybe it was just her body type, but when a woman gets bigger shoulders and arms than the average man, yuck. She still has the best 40 yr old booty I've ever seen, but her upper muscles, oommmph.
1/21/2015 9:08am
I found a cool gym near me that has crossfit "style" classes.

They utilize the same high intensity training methodology, but with less of an emphasis on the olympic lifts (squat, snatch, dead lift..) It's crossfit light, if you will. They are significantly safer, and much more useful for a sport like moto that doesn't demand brute strength.

I absolutely love it. In six months I've dropped my body fat by 6% and am stronger than I have ever been.

The scheduled classes with a daily programed workout are addicting. They are much more efficient in utilizing your time and are specifically scheduled in a way that maximizes variety throughout the week.

Plus, it's very motivating to have a community of people around you partaking in the same brutality.

I'm so hooked on fit women.
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1/21/2015 10:15am
MXD wrote:
Has anyone tried this? If so, can you give me some feedback? I'm a 40 year old vet B rider, hockey player and casual road and...
Has anyone tried this? If so, can you give me some feedback? I'm a 40 year old vet B rider, hockey player and casual road and mountain biker. I'm in above average shape for the average 40 year old but I really want to step up my overall condition and athleticism. One important detail is that 2 and half years ago I had a microdiscectomy for a ruptured disc. The surgery was a total success and I have returned to a normal life but I still need to take certain precautions while working out.
MXD, Ive worked as a trainer at a Crossfit gym for the last 4 years so I can give you some insight. Ive also raced Mountain...
MXD,

Ive worked as a trainer at a Crossfit gym for the last 4 years so I can give you some insight. Ive also raced Mountain bikes at an expert level locally and race Vet Jr:

- Watch your back. Crossfit is high impact, but a good gym/trainer should be able to work with you and make the appropriate modifications to work around your back. Id say high rep Deadlift workouts are a no go for you.

- Take a look at your local gyms and visit each one. Every gym will have a different member base/feel and its important to find one that fits you

- Intro classes. I highly suggest going to a gym that has some sort of an on ramp class that teaches you the fundamentals, or at least re-inforces them, before you get into classes with everyone. We go it over 4-6 sessions at our gym one on one with a trainer.

- Programming is important. So many gyms have sporadic programming that leads overuse and repetitiive strain injuries. Finding a gym that incorperates a Strength workout and shorter conditioning workout afterwards would work well for you.

- Class sizes: 1 coach to a maximum of 8-10 people. Going into a group as a beginner with 15 people and 1 coach is going to be a gongshow.

Once you find a gym and join:

- Slow and steady: Learn the fundamentals. Dont rush things. Scale the workouts so that your using correct technique even if it means your using an empty barbell.

- Prioritize strength: If you road and mountain bike already, Id say 2-3 days TOPS of Crossfit. In season maybe 1-2 days depending on how much your riding. Recovery and a proper hormonal balance as you get older is key. Overreaching and overtraining are very real in my opinion given the intensity of both MX and Crossfit

- Stretch/Recover hard then you workout: Mobility is key as you get older as is recovery. Take the time before and after workouts to focus on it.

-Dont commit to a full year off the get go. Go for 3 months and see if its for you.


For perspective, heres what I currently do as a 31 year old Vet racer:

- 4-5 Days on my roadbike/trainer (winter in Canada). 2 Longer Steady state workouts after workout days. 1 Tempo ride, 1 Long Hard ride (race simulation). Nothing more then 90mins.

- 1 Strength day. Full body, 3 sets of 8-10.

- 2 days of olympic lifting. One Snatch/One Clean and Jerk focused. Low rep (1-5 range), Complexes on the minute for 20-25 mintutes. Rest 10 mins. 20 minute Crossfit workout thats on the lighter end of things with a rower/airdyne. I keep my Heart rate close to what I race at.

- 2 days rest. 1 completely off. 1 active recover (30 min z1 ride and mobility).


Hope that helps.



All good points that Firefit makes. I assume that you already eat pretty clean ??

There is no reason why you have to be entirely commited to CF. Learn about it, incorporate some of the movements that will help your specific needs. A good gym/trainer can help you learn about your weak points. For most 40 yr olds (I am 52) core strength is the single weakest point (and hardest to work on). I don't mean 7 zillion sit ups so you have a 6pack. Glutes, traps, abs ....all of that makes up the core. All of that is also the first thing that weakens and stiffens up as you age typically. Stretch often.

CF is cool to integrate into an overall plan once you have a good overall fitness level but be very careful showing up at your local box and jumping in.

You can get an awesome basic fitness level without any machines. You do need some quality guidance to avoid the injuries.....especially at 40+ yrs old.

One thing that I have taught many young and old athletes is working on balance. Bosu ball, medicine ball, slackline......all these things can make a huge difference....especially as we age.

Start slow and build up strength and endurance with a 2 year time frame in mind. You won't get fit in 30 days like you see on TV. Improvements.....for sure but not truly fit.

Lots of good answers here. Glad to see a smart approach.

Good luck and stick with it.
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1/21/2015 10:23am Edited Date/Time 1/21/2015 10:30am
Hgibbs566 wrote:
I tried it and hurt myself pretty good. Tore my bicep.

I prefer the normal gym workouts with cycling during the week over crossfit.
same here, i strained a muscle in my neck really bad. i couldn't turn my head or look up or down for about 2 weeks. i never went back and called to cancel my membership, the guy gave me a hard time but i really didn't give a shit.

the first 2 weeks i was doing Cross-Fit, i really enjoyed it. i think it was mainly because it was grinding me to the point of exhaustion/vomiting and i thought that was a good thing. over the next 3 months, i was feeling better but the work-outs were so sporadic that i'm still not entirely sure what type of shape i was getting in. the injury did it for me. the $95 per month was a tough pill to swallow as well.

i'm like you, except now i work out at home and MTB every day.


and the saying is true, "how do you know if someone does crossfit? they don't stop talking about crossfit"

i also like this one, "if you're a vegan that does crossfit, which one do you talk about first"
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1/21/2015 10:37am
My wife does crossfit and olympic lifting. While I don't understand how it is at all enjoyable, she is very passionate about it and loves it. I wonder how RV or some of the top guys would do in crossfit. I imagine they would kill it.
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All good info, thanks. A little more about me and my activity levels. I slowly let myself get way out of shape over about a 5-7 year period and when my disc went bad, I was basically bedridden for almost 7 months waiting for surgery which just compounded the problem. Once I had surgery and felt "normal" again, I decided to change my lifestyle. About 12 months ago I hired a personal trainer for about 4-5 months. In that time, I learned how to eat, workout and live an overall healthier life. I also lost 45 pounds and got into the best shape of my adult life. Since that ended (roughly last May), I haven't touched a weight but I am still extremely active and have maintained my weight loss. I mountain bike 2-3 days a week for about 2-2.5 hours per ride and when the weather permits, I mix in some road biking as well. Once the longer days arrive, I cycle about 4-5 days a week. I also play ice hockey 2 nights a week in 2 different leagues. So my cardio and diet are all in check. I eat pretty clean. I don't go near fast food, I rarely eat out unless I have to and my snacks have gone from things like chips and soda to sweet peppers or carrots with water. Due to my diet and activity level, I am in above average cardio vascular shape . In fact, the 20 something year olds on my hockey team were joking last week that the "old man" was barely breathing heavy and they were all ready to puke. My issue is that I would like to lean out a little more and shed another 10-12 pounds and in order to do that I feel I need to work in some weight training. I know I can do it at home but I struggle with consistency unless I am accountable to someone. So my thought process behind a program like Crossfit is that it costs a fraction of what a personal trainer 3x a week for 5 months cost me but it will give me a comparable level of accountability.
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1/21/2015 10:53am
mjskier wrote:
I don't do crossfit, but I watch it for entertainment. I'm sure it can be done properly, but seems to me a lot of locations encourage...
I don't do crossfit, but I watch it for entertainment.
I'm sure it can be done properly, but seems to me a lot of locations encourage people to go way too heavy with crappy form. Good way to get hurt.

Outsider wrote:
How do you think cavemen did it? A story, a young boy was asked to carry a baby lamb up to the village... he did this...
How do you think cavemen did it?

A story, a young boy was asked to carry a baby lamb up to the village... he did this for years. After a few years the lamb became huge and so did the boy.


The moral of the story? Lift big infrequently and you will get big. Big translates into strength for moto imo
Lift big infrequently? Isnt the moral of the story if you frequently work out over a period of time you naturally get stronger?
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1/21/2015 11:21am
huck wrote:
I took a break, but was doing it quite a bit a year ago. I lost 18 pounds and put on a lot of strength. I...
I took a break, but was doing it quite a bit a year ago. I lost 18 pounds and put on a lot of strength. I really like it....our gym stresses only doing what you feel comfortable doing. I'd much rather do a 40 minute crossfit workout, than go to the meat head section of the gym, do a set of 3, then look at myself in the mirror for the next 10 minutes with my buddies....

To each their own.

Because that is EXACTLY what everybody else does.
1/21/2015 11:34am
moscrop940 wrote:
Lift big infrequently? Isnt the moral of the story if you frequently work out over a period of time you naturally get stronger?
That's periodization, which CF says isn't the way to go. Wall ball throws and handstand pushups are the way!
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1/21/2015 1:32pm
Ok here's the deal. I'm not saying it's the greatest thing since sliced bread come along but it's a good way to improve your strength and conditioning. I know a lot of people say that there are certain risks for injury if you do crossfit. And to some extent this is true if you overdo it or try to do workouts or certain lifts (particularly in Olympic style lifts) that you do not have the proper mobility, strength, or have the proper technique developed to perform the lift or move. My advice is to try it out for 4-6 weeks and see what you think.
Start slow and and repeat this word for me "S-C-A-L-E". If you come upon a workout that has a prescribed weight to use, scale the weight back so that you can properly perform the workout and stay healthy. There's nothing wrong with doing that and trust me you'll still get a great workout. I think that's where a lot of people get hurt doing crossfit. Not scaling back the weight, or not scaling back the reps, or not subbing in different moves for the more difficult/technical ones.
The crossfit workouts are fun for me because it hits you on so many different levels; cardio, strength, strength endurance, HIIT. I love them because it's something different each time and not the same old "I'm going cycling for 1-1/2 hours or running for 5 miles" all the time, day-in and day-out. It will also expose your weaknesses and let you know what you need to work on.
Anyway, best of luck and have fun no matter what you decide.

Brandon
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1/21/2015 1:46pm
Dipship and Firefit_112 have good points.
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1/21/2015 2:20pm
Cross shit
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1/21/2015 3:51pm
mjskier wrote:
I don't do crossfit, but I watch it for entertainment. I'm sure it can be done properly, but seems to me a lot of locations encourage...
I don't do crossfit, but I watch it for entertainment.
I'm sure it can be done properly, but seems to me a lot of locations encourage people to go way too heavy with crappy form. Good way to get hurt.

Those people in that video are beyond sketchy! how the fuck are they still in business??
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1/22/2015 6:54am
Travis250F wrote:
Those people in that video are beyond sketchy! how the fuck are they still in business??
Those people in that video are beyond sketchy! how the fuck are they still in business??
I have no answer for that one. There's no way that's a real CF gym. smh
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1/22/2015 7:47am
Stretch out the hips, hip flexors, abductors bro. There are tons of videos on those stretches. You don't want to blow out your groin/nuts during a sick front squat.
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1/22/2015 8:09am
Travis250F wrote:
Those people in that video are beyond sketchy! how the fuck are they still in business??
Those people in that video are beyond sketchy! how the fuck are they still in business??
Mx Wildcat wrote:
I have no answer for that one. There's no way that's a real CF gym. smh
http://albanycrossfit.com/

They are an affiliate...

Remember all it takes to open an official affiliate is to get your level 1 cert by taking a 2 day class and passing a 55 question multiple choice exam...
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1/22/2015 8:26am Edited Date/Time 1/22/2015 8:26am
Wow, I just watched that Albany CrossFit vid to the 1:05 mark. All I can say is "Are you shitting me?"

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1/22/2015 8:36am
Hgibbs566 wrote:
I tried it and hurt myself pretty good. Tore my bicep.

I prefer the normal gym workouts with cycling during the week over crossfit.
peelout wrote:
same here, i strained a muscle in my neck really bad. i couldn't turn my head or look up or down for about 2 weeks. i...
same here, i strained a muscle in my neck really bad. i couldn't turn my head or look up or down for about 2 weeks. i never went back and called to cancel my membership, the guy gave me a hard time but i really didn't give a shit.

the first 2 weeks i was doing Cross-Fit, i really enjoyed it. i think it was mainly because it was grinding me to the point of exhaustion/vomiting and i thought that was a good thing. over the next 3 months, i was feeling better but the work-outs were so sporadic that i'm still not entirely sure what type of shape i was getting in. the injury did it for me. the $95 per month was a tough pill to swallow as well.

i'm like you, except now i work out at home and MTB every day.


and the saying is true, "how do you know if someone does crossfit? they don't stop talking about crossfit"

i also like this one, "if you're a vegan that does crossfit, which one do you talk about first"
"if you're a vegan that does crossfit, which one do you talk about first"


I put that question up on FB last night. The only guy who got defensive was the guy who is posting his gawd damn vegan recipes all the time.
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1/22/2015 8:44am
Camp332 wrote:
Wow, I just watched that Albany CrossFit vid to the 1:05 mark. All I can say is "Are you shitting me?"

Just go ahead and fuse my spine now. How in the world do you convince a whole gym full of people that that is the correct form? You don't have to be a fitness guru to see something is wrong with that.
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1/22/2015 9:48am
hammertime wrote:
If you do it, try and set a world record and not tell the next 50 people you see that you Are into crossfit-Smile )))
Bro, the first rule of Crossfit is you have to tell everyone you do Crossfit!
1/22/2015 9:58am
huck wrote:
I took a break, but was doing it quite a bit a year ago. I lost 18 pounds and put on a lot of strength. I...
I took a break, but was doing it quite a bit a year ago. I lost 18 pounds and put on a lot of strength. I really like it....our gym stresses only doing what you feel comfortable doing. I'd much rather do a 40 minute crossfit workout, than go to the meat head section of the gym, do a set of 3, then look at myself in the mirror for the next 10 minutes with my buddies....

To each their own.

If your gym is teaching good form and working within your limits, its a good workout. The problem is, 99% of them don't.
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1/22/2015 10:49am Edited Date/Time 1/22/2015 10:50am
Camp332 wrote:
Wow, I just watched that Albany CrossFit vid to the 1:05 mark. All I can say is "Are you shitting me?"

MXD wrote:
Just go ahead and fuse my spine now. How in the world do you convince a whole gym full of people that that is the correct...
Just go ahead and fuse my spine now. How in the world do you convince a whole gym full of people that that is the correct form? You don't have to be a fitness guru to see something is wrong with that.
Funny thing was all the people's "Words of Encouragement" sounded like they were scared for the person.


Hey man, olympic lifts are awesome! So enjoy yourself. I learned a lot in the beginning. Most importantly was my developing more flexibility and strength in my hips/groin area. You'd be surprised as a man, how unflexible and "weak" we are in that area.
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1/22/2015 10:54am
Schipwreck wrote:
I'm 32 and have disc issues in my back and fresh off a knee surgery ..i've been doing Crossfit for 2 years now and im in...
I'm 32 and have disc issues in my back and fresh off a knee surgery ..i've been doing Crossfit for 2 years now and im in the best shape of my life. Not to mention my back pain is GONE due to building muscle in my low back. In the first 3 months i dropped 20 lbs and got a six pack.. I've never had one injury because of it either! Now with that being said i personally believe the biggest factor is how good the trainers and programming are at your local Crossfit facility? I am lucky enough have one of the best in the country a few miles from my house and form & safety are the main concern.

Sadly new box's are popping up all over with trainers that have little to no experience and are giving Crossfit a terrible name by letting people lift heavy with bad form.. people complain about the price but when you compare it to having a personal trainer 3-5 days a week it's cheap.

I recommend it to anyone but 1st Check your ego at the door its your biggest enemy. 2nd never lift to heavy so you can maintain proper form. 3rd forget the competition aspect and do it for yourself and your fitness . this is another part of crossfit that causes problems..the main goal for many is to compete,training the body past its natural limits in order to compete against the worlds best athletes. Look at any sporting competition like gymnastics or football/ basketball. Injuries are prevalent because people push the body past its limits trying to beat the other guy. Same goes for Crossfit but you will never be Rich Froning. One of the best things is it's definitely the most motivating form of exercise there is because of the environment..the people are great and encourage you to live a healthy lifestyle. .. the girls working out with you in teeny tiny booty shorts aren't bad either.
Did you diet as well or just exercise?
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1/22/2015 11:55am
Schipwreck wrote:
I'm 32 and have disc issues in my back and fresh off a knee surgery ..i've been doing Crossfit for 2 years now and im in...
I'm 32 and have disc issues in my back and fresh off a knee surgery ..i've been doing Crossfit for 2 years now and im in the best shape of my life. Not to mention my back pain is GONE due to building muscle in my low back. In the first 3 months i dropped 20 lbs and got a six pack.. I've never had one injury because of it either! Now with that being said i personally believe the biggest factor is how good the trainers and programming are at your local Crossfit facility? I am lucky enough have one of the best in the country a few miles from my house and form & safety are the main concern.

Sadly new box's are popping up all over with trainers that have little to no experience and are giving Crossfit a terrible name by letting people lift heavy with bad form.. people complain about the price but when you compare it to having a personal trainer 3-5 days a week it's cheap.

I recommend it to anyone but 1st Check your ego at the door its your biggest enemy. 2nd never lift to heavy so you can maintain proper form. 3rd forget the competition aspect and do it for yourself and your fitness . this is another part of crossfit that causes problems..the main goal for many is to compete,training the body past its natural limits in order to compete against the worlds best athletes. Look at any sporting competition like gymnastics or football/ basketball. Injuries are prevalent because people push the body past its limits trying to beat the other guy. Same goes for Crossfit but you will never be Rich Froning. One of the best things is it's definitely the most motivating form of exercise there is because of the environment..the people are great and encourage you to live a healthy lifestyle. .. the girls working out with you in teeny tiny booty shorts aren't bad either.
Grieby54 wrote:
Did you diet as well or just exercise?
I just ate less fast food and more healthy stuff..and saved the alcohol for weekends only..nothing crazy like paleo. [just a side note almost none of the people that go to the crossfit games eat full paleo!] The main thing is listen to you're body. At one point i wasn't eating enough to be working out 4 days a week and i started feeling sluggish and week. Upped my food intake and bam all better.

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