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zookrider62! 1/19/2015 7:47am
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I still do not see how this is in any way different
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Mr. Info 1/19/2015 7:53am
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It was done based on rules. No emotion. I like Trey and do not think he jumped into Chad on purpose but it was a dangerous move that could have injured one or both of the riders badly and maybe another rider on another section of the track. I also like Chad and think what he did after was just anger and emotion steering him not common sense and we are human and make mistakes. But either way Chads move was intentional and had to be ruled on and it was. But yes if they are going to let riders push and shove and block or run riders off the track they need to buckle down on everyone. But still rules are rules. We either follow them or have to deal with not.
2WheelsForTheMasses 1/19/2015 7:59am
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Very bad decision making!!!

This is supercross, its a dirty sport..get out if you cant hang!!! Everything is becoming to PC...its like the nfl now!!! Roger Goodell lost a fan this season because of the inconsistent calls made on the field!!

I say let them race!!!! Atleast let them finish the race and review the tape after with both parties involved on the decision or penalty if imposed at all.
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Hgibbs566 1/19/2015 8:05am
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Mr. Info wrote:
It was done based on rules. No emotion. I like Trey and do not think he jumped into Chad on purpose but it was a dangerous...
It was done based on rules. No emotion. I like Trey and do not think he jumped into Chad on purpose but it was a dangerous move that could have injured one or both of the riders badly and maybe another rider on another section of the track. I also like Chad and think what he did after was just anger and emotion steering him not common sense and we are human and make mistakes. But either way Chads move was intentional and had to be ruled on and it was. But yes if they are going to let riders push and shove and block or run riders off the track they need to buckle down on everyone. But still rules are rules. We either follow them or have to deal with not.
They made the decision based off what MIGHT happen in the future.
Not what DID happen. That's a problem.

Gallagher, FIM: Our biggest concern is that, since he chose to instill a penalty on Trey himself, we wonder, Is that it? Or is it going to happen everytime he sees Trey? That’s what instigated the black flag.

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Mr. Info wrote:
It was done based on rules. No emotion. I like Trey and do not think he jumped into Chad on purpose but it was a dangerous...
It was done based on rules. No emotion. I like Trey and do not think he jumped into Chad on purpose but it was a dangerous move that could have injured one or both of the riders badly and maybe another rider on another section of the track. I also like Chad and think what he did after was just anger and emotion steering him not common sense and we are human and make mistakes. But either way Chads move was intentional and had to be ruled on and it was. But yes if they are going to let riders push and shove and block or run riders off the track they need to buckle down on everyone. But still rules are rules. We either follow them or have to deal with not.
A process needs to be put in place where one person cannot make a quick emotional decision as John did.
These two do have a history, in 2011 in the Reed/Stewart get together that broke Chads hand, Gallagher suspended Reed for one race and Reed appealed and won his appeal and was reinstated...
When you get past the fanboy BS in these threads it becomes apparent that the lack of a process/ consistency is the real problem.
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The Rock 1/19/2015 8:34am
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I am shocked at how people think this is some huge outrage when it's really cut and dry. Don't get revenge and you won't get black...
I am shocked at how people think this is some huge outrage when it's really cut and dry. Don't get revenge and you won't get black flagged
+1

Emig said it on the broadcast "retaliation is what gets you into trouble" or something to that effect. EDIT: To keyboardwarrior's point Trey' s move was unintentional while Chad's was intentional.
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JM485 1/19/2015 8:40am
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Why is one person the judge, jury, and executioner? There lies your problem.
GeorgiePorgie 1/19/2015 8:50am
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Mr. Info wrote:
It was done based on rules. No emotion. I like Trey and do not think he jumped into Chad on purpose but it was a dangerous...
It was done based on rules. No emotion. I like Trey and do not think he jumped into Chad on purpose but it was a dangerous move that could have injured one or both of the riders badly and maybe another rider on another section of the track. I also like Chad and think what he did after was just anger and emotion steering him not common sense and we are human and make mistakes. But either way Chads move was intentional and had to be ruled on and it was. But yes if they are going to let riders push and shove and block or run riders off the track they need to buckle down on everyone. But still rules are rules. We either follow them or have to deal with not.
Hgibbs566 wrote:
They made the decision based off what MIGHT happen in the future. Not what DID happen. That's a problem. [b]Gallagher, FIM: Our biggest concern is that...
They made the decision based off what MIGHT happen in the future.
Not what DID happen. That's a problem.

Gallagher, FIM: Our biggest concern is that, since he chose to instill a penalty on Trey himself, we wonder, Is that it? Or is it going to happen everytime he sees Trey? That’s what instigated the black flag.

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And what if reed knew in his mind the championship for him is over. His career is over. The anger sears in him and he decided to ghost ride into section 103 and Decapitate innocent fans...... What if.....

What if????? How many times are these two going to be close for the remainder of the race? Never??t

Reed wasn't out to kill. Rider Precedent usually gets payback in the next corner and then it's settled.

My god make a rule where they send them to a 12 second penalty box then cut them back to racing. But don't black the guy for doing something that is part of the sport. Retaliation is a part of it.
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Hgibbs566 1/19/2015 8:57am
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And what if reed knew in his mind the championship for him is over. His career is over. The anger sears in him and he decided...
And what if reed knew in his mind the championship for him is over. His career is over. The anger sears in him and he decided to ghost ride into section 103 and Decapitate innocent fans...... What if.....

What if????? How many times are these two going to be close for the remainder of the race? Never??t

Reed wasn't out to kill. Rider Precedent usually gets payback in the next corner and then it's settled.

My god make a rule where they send them to a 12 second penalty box then cut them back to racing. But don't black the guy for doing something that is part of the sport. Retaliation is a part of it.
You CAN'T black flag a guy on what MIGHT happen.
If we're doing that, don't ever run the races, because Dungey MIGHT have a mental breakdown and go on a killing spree, and Santa MIGHT accidentally land his reindeer in the middle of the stadium and everyone hit them.

Don't leave your house because you MIGHT get hit by a bus, and they have hit people before.

ANYTHING MIGHT happen.

So dumb IMO.
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Hut 1/19/2015 9:07am
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Black Flag was bullshit! All the crap basically accusing Reed of some sort of mental instability is just nuts.
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Hgibbs566 1/19/2015 9:10am
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Black Flag was bullshit! All the crap basically accusing Reed of some sort of mental instability is just nuts.
When did he get his PHD and become a doctor?
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The Rock wrote:
[b]Don't make a non-passing deliberate take out attempt on a non-normal line choice with a rider gathering himself together right in front of the officials and...
Don't make a non-passing deliberate take out attempt on a non-normal line choice with a rider gathering himself together right in front of the officials and especially right after a collision with that rider.

Agree.


Indeed..... Canard was 20 ft to the right of Reed and Reed sped up and went out of his way,out of the racing line and directly into Trey to "bump" him....It was clearly a " you muthe F'er your going down" move........ What if trey and reeds bars locked up and they both went down again?

To me, the black flag seemed a little crazy.....but they made the call and cant change anything now.....just a stupid move on Reeds part...he could have got up and got back into the race and salvaged another top 10., he was working his way back there anyway....Canard was clearly faster and Barcia was next in line........instead, Reed blew a gasket and pulled a dick move and thats that....Running a dude off the track who clearly isnt expecting it like Reed did is classless...especially since Treys crash was not done on purpose...
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Hgibbs566 1/19/2015 9:33am
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I'd say Galhager was upset about being overruled by the FIM when he suspended Reed a few years ago and this was retaliation. Should we black flag him?
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RedRum666 1/19/2015 9:39am
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Brent wrote:
Most of you guys defending Reed don't live in the adult world. Chad was a hazard on the track, he possibly could have gone after Canard...
Most of you guys defending Reed don't live in the adult world.

Chad was a hazard on the track, he possibly could have gone after Canard again, no one knew his mindset, but it was obvious he lost his composure, and sense of rationality for a period of time.

The AMA had an obligation to Canard and the rest of the field to take an obviously unpredictable rider off the track, or else who knows what would have happened if Reed continued to throw his temper tantrum.

Mr Info is dead on correct.
Jt$ wrote:
Hahahaha this actually made me laugh. Oh wait, you are serious? Wow, nevermind.
That is pretty funny...little overkill for sure....

A Kook move on Reeds part for sure, but yeah the mental state of Reed or being a hazard was not anything to be too concerned about ..... Reed was pissed, frustrated and made a dumb decission in the heat of the moment to put some icing on the cake...why risk taking yourself out in the process or even injuring yourself with a "bump" to a dude who is almost riding at a stand still.... they could have locked bars and both went down........It's no one's fault but his own (Reed)... they were still in top 10 when they got off the ground it appeared.. with Canard and Barcia coming up fast from behind before the incident , its only a few spots from where Reed would have ended the night anyway....
scott_nz 1/19/2015 9:54am
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i have been a referee many times, and pulling a black flag on someone is not to be done lightly, and only when they are a danger on the track, if Reed and been crawling around the track waiting for Canard to extract his revenge then i can see the logic in black flagging him,

there has been no consistent ruling in regards to retaliation , Bowyers told everyone his pass on Osbourne was payback, for a move a few corners before, yet no punishment,

In saying all that, MX racers and Fans do not like punishments of any kind, and every time someone gets one they say that its inconsistent, and this other racer did it and did not get punished,
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fidiot 1/19/2015 10:40am
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JM485 wrote:
Why is one person the judge, jury, and executioner? There lies your problem.
BINGO! This guy gets it!
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Old Mate 1/19/2015 11:25am
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Brent wrote:
Most of you guys defending Reed don't live in the adult world. Chad was a hazard on the track, he possibly could have gone after Canard...
Most of you guys defending Reed don't live in the adult world.

Chad was a hazard on the track, he possibly could have gone after Canard again, no one knew his mindset, but it was obvious he lost his composure, and sense of rationality for a period of time.

The AMA had an obligation to Canard and the rest of the field to take an obviously unpredictable rider off the track, or else who knows what would have happened if Reed continued to throw his temper tantrum.

Mr Info is dead on correct.
aaryn #234 wrote:
You do not live in the adult world, Chad raced for another three laps and did not go back after Canard. 100s of riders have taken...
You do not live in the adult world, Chad raced for another three laps and did not go back after Canard.

100s of riders have taken a rider down in retaliation to being cleaned out, be it on purpose or by accident, how consistently have riders been black flagged for that in the past.

You can not black flag a rider because you are afraid of his mindset after an incident, otherwise every time a rider gets blocked passed from now on you will have to black flag that rider who got passed as their mindset may be to re-pay the favour.
Just curious, what is the punishment for any normal rider, ignoring the black flag for 3 laps, nothing against Chad and he said he didn't know that it was for him. Can all riders now use that excuse without punishment, especially if only two laps to go, then throw in your protest.
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NERida173 1/19/2015 12:48pm
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Would the black flag have come if Reed won the first three races? I just wonder how a decision like pulling a black flag could come so quickly. They really need some structure in the way they hand down penalties.

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Hut 1/19/2015 12:55pm
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Would he have gotten a black flag if the other rider was Alessi instead of Canard? How about Friese?
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Grieby54 1/19/2015 12:56pm
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There is one person who had all of the power in the world to avoid a black flag or any penalty for that matter: Chad Reed. He can point fingers in every direction that he wants, but needs to own up to the fact that he shouldn't have put himself in that position.
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Old Mate 1/19/2015 12:56pm
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Brent wrote:
Most of you guys defending Reed don't live in the adult world. Chad was a hazard on the track, he possibly could have gone after Canard...
Most of you guys defending Reed don't live in the adult world.

Chad was a hazard on the track, he possibly could have gone after Canard again, no one knew his mindset, but it was obvious he lost his composure, and sense of rationality for a period of time.

The AMA had an obligation to Canard and the rest of the field to take an obviously unpredictable rider off the track, or else who knows what would have happened if Reed continued to throw his temper tantrum.

Mr Info is dead on correct.
aaryn #234 wrote:
You do not live in the adult world, Chad raced for another three laps and did not go back after Canard. 100s of riders have taken...
You do not live in the adult world, Chad raced for another three laps and did not go back after Canard.

100s of riders have taken a rider down in retaliation to being cleaned out, be it on purpose or by accident, how consistently have riders been black flagged for that in the past.

You can not black flag a rider because you are afraid of his mindset after an incident, otherwise every time a rider gets blocked passed from now on you will have to black flag that rider who got passed as their mindset may be to re-pay the favour.
Old Mate wrote:
Just curious, what is the punishment for any normal rider, ignoring the black flag for 3 laps, nothing against Chad and he said he didn't know...
Just curious, what is the punishment for any normal rider, ignoring the black flag for 3 laps, nothing against Chad and he said he didn't know that it was for him. Can all riders now use that excuse without punishment, especially if only two laps to go, then throw in your protest.
Just got answered privately by Motorcycling Australia,, very unexpectedly , they said that every black flag comes with a pit board with the riders number on it.
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Grieby54 wrote:
There is one person who had all of the power in the world to avoid a black flag or any penalty for that matter: Chad Reed...
There is one person who had all of the power in the world to avoid a black flag or any penalty for that matter: Chad Reed. He can point fingers in every direction that he wants, but needs to own up to the fact that he shouldn't have put himself in that position.
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Grieby54 wrote:
There is one person who had all of the power in the world to avoid a black flag or any penalty for that matter: Chad Reed...
There is one person who had all of the power in the world to avoid a black flag or any penalty for that matter: Chad Reed. He can point fingers in every direction that he wants, but needs to own up to the fact that he shouldn't have put himself in that position.
Personal responsibility is so 1959 , ha ha . Nobody should have to own up to their mistakes.
Mr. Knobby 1/19/2015 1:17pm
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There's only one thing we know for sure: If Reed hadn't hit Canard, he would not have got a black flag. Oh well, live and learn.
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Brent 1/19/2015 1:31pm
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Jt$ wrote:
Hahahaha this actually made me laugh. Oh wait, you are serious? Wow, nevermind.
Yes I'm dead serious Jason.

This shit should be stopped before we see a head on collision, not like this happened on a track with a lot of run out space.

All this talk of working it out after the race, maybe Chad would be the better man if he talked to Canard after the main instead of doing stupid retalitory shit that ruined both their nights.

BTW, Didn't I see video of you on a Palmetto Suzuki taking a back marker competitor out in retaliation after a local race in Fla back in 2008?
scott_nz 1/19/2015 1:36pm
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aaryn #234 wrote:
You do not live in the adult world, Chad raced for another three laps and did not go back after Canard. 100s of riders have taken...
You do not live in the adult world, Chad raced for another three laps and did not go back after Canard.

100s of riders have taken a rider down in retaliation to being cleaned out, be it on purpose or by accident, how consistently have riders been black flagged for that in the past.

You can not black flag a rider because you are afraid of his mindset after an incident, otherwise every time a rider gets blocked passed from now on you will have to black flag that rider who got passed as their mindset may be to re-pay the favour.
Old Mate wrote:
Just curious, what is the punishment for any normal rider, ignoring the black flag for 3 laps, nothing against Chad and he said he didn't know...
Just curious, what is the punishment for any normal rider, ignoring the black flag for 3 laps, nothing against Chad and he said he didn't know that it was for him. Can all riders now use that excuse without punishment, especially if only two laps to go, then throw in your protest.
Old Mate wrote:
Just got answered privately by Motorcycling Australia,, very unexpectedly , they said that every black flag comes with a pit board with the riders number on...
Just got answered privately by Motorcycling Australia,, very unexpectedly , they said that every black flag comes with a pit board with the riders number on it.
i was about to reply that in NZ you need to have a board displaying the riders number as well, not to sure if this is the rule for the US or FIM tho,
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Mr. Info wrote:
It was done based on rules. No emotion. I like Trey and do not think he jumped into Chad on purpose but it was a dangerous...
It was done based on rules. No emotion. I like Trey and do not think he jumped into Chad on purpose but it was a dangerous move that could have injured one or both of the riders badly and maybe another rider on another section of the track. I also like Chad and think what he did after was just anger and emotion steering him not common sense and we are human and make mistakes. But either way Chads move was intentional and had to be ruled on and it was. But yes if they are going to let riders push and shove and block or run riders off the track they need to buckle down on everyone. But still rules are rules. We either follow them or have to deal with not.
Hgibbs566 wrote:
They made the decision based off what MIGHT happen in the future. Not what DID happen. That's a problem. [b]Gallagher, FIM: Our biggest concern is that...
They made the decision based off what MIGHT happen in the future.
Not what DID happen. That's a problem.

Gallagher, FIM: Our biggest concern is that, since he chose to instill a penalty on Trey himself, we wonder, Is that it? Or is it going to happen everytime he sees Trey? That’s what instigated the black flag.

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With Gallaghers line of thinking, technically, shouldnt they ban him from every race in the future because he could still be mad about it? Cant throw a black flag because you think theres a chance someone might do something
GeorgiePorgie 1/20/2015 10:13am
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Mr. Info wrote:
It was done based on rules. No emotion. I like Trey and do not think he jumped into Chad on purpose but it was a dangerous...
It was done based on rules. No emotion. I like Trey and do not think he jumped into Chad on purpose but it was a dangerous move that could have injured one or both of the riders badly and maybe another rider on another section of the track. I also like Chad and think what he did after was just anger and emotion steering him not common sense and we are human and make mistakes. But either way Chads move was intentional and had to be ruled on and it was. But yes if they are going to let riders push and shove and block or run riders off the track they need to buckle down on everyone. But still rules are rules. We either follow them or have to deal with not.
Hgibbs566 wrote:
They made the decision based off what MIGHT happen in the future. Not what DID happen. That's a problem. [b]Gallagher, FIM: Our biggest concern is that...
They made the decision based off what MIGHT happen in the future.
Not what DID happen. That's a problem.

Gallagher, FIM: Our biggest concern is that, since he chose to instill a penalty on Trey himself, we wonder, Is that it? Or is it going to happen everytime he sees Trey? That’s what instigated the black flag.

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zookrider62! wrote:
With Gallaghers line of thinking, technically, shouldnt they ban him from every race in the future because he could still be mad about it? Cant throw...
With Gallaghers line of thinking, technically, shouldnt they ban him from every race in the future because he could still be mad about it? Cant throw a black flag because you think theres a chance someone might do something
Very true. I bet he's even more mad because he was black flagged. He's probably going to just shoot canard
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Hgibbs566 wrote:
They made the decision based off what MIGHT happen in the future. Not what DID happen. That's a problem. [b]Gallagher, FIM: Our biggest concern is that...
They made the decision based off what MIGHT happen in the future.
Not what DID happen. That's a problem.

Gallagher, FIM: Our biggest concern is that, since he chose to instill a penalty on Trey himself, we wonder, Is that it? Or is it going to happen everytime he sees Trey? That’s what instigated the black flag.

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zookrider62! wrote:
With Gallaghers line of thinking, technically, shouldnt they ban him from every race in the future because he could still be mad about it? Cant throw...
With Gallaghers line of thinking, technically, shouldnt they ban him from every race in the future because he could still be mad about it? Cant throw a black flag because you think theres a chance someone might do something
GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Very true. I bet he's even more mad because he was black flagged. He's probably going to just shoot canard
No way, Aussie's gave up their guns.

He'll just hide a croc in the Honda truck.
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Grieby54 wrote:
There is one person who had all of the power in the world to avoid a black flag or any penalty for that matter: Chad Reed...
There is one person who had all of the power in the world to avoid a black flag or any penalty for that matter: Chad Reed. He can point fingers in every direction that he wants, but needs to own up to the fact that he shouldn't have put himself in that position.
500guy wrote:
Personal responsibility is so 1959 , ha ha . Nobody should have to own up to their mistakes.
Shouldn't Canard have a responsibility to be ready and prepared to race when he is on the track when a race is going on?

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