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kawi448 1/13/2015 11:12pm
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FGR01 wrote:
Get a 250F. I can already tell just buy reading your posts that a 250 2-st will kick your ass. If you do get a 250...
Get a 250F. I can already tell just buy reading your posts that a 250 2-st will kick your ass. If you do get a 250 2-str, get a 2002+ Honda since they are gutless, put 4 base gaskets and the biggest flywheel weight you can find on it, up all jets 4 sizes, and cover 1/'2 the air intake with duct tape.
kawi448 wrote:
Your so sick BRO. You can't tell shit from my post. You probably ride a kx500af bored to 640 running nitro and hit 300 foot jumps...
Your so sick BRO.

You can't tell shit from my post. You probably ride a kx500af bored to 640 running nitro and hit 300 foot jumps right?

I'm not fucking scared of 450s smooth ass power. I want that 2 stroke hit. I just also want to improve as much as possible from my time riding which a 450 doesn't do
CASH476 wrote:
"I'm a mid pack C grade rider," "The 450 is clearly too much bike" "I'm not sure if the 250 2 stroke is too much power"...
"I'm a mid pack C grade rider,"
"The 450 is clearly too much bike"
"I'm not sure if the 250 2 stroke is too much power"

Those statements all scream I'm not fucking scared of 450"s smooth ass power.

You
Fucking
Knob
Sorry I forgot that you know everything about me from 3 vague sentences.

I'm talking about power from the standpoint of how much the power covers up your mistakes. Once again sorry for the misunderstanding.
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bryan 1/13/2015 11:38pm
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I don't think you're going to find a *good* reason to sell the 450 and get a smaller bike. I say ride the 450 until you don't feel stupid for selling it, then get whatever you want. Riding a bike that's not absolutely totally perfect for you at a given moment isn't the end of the world. It's not like you'll grow a beer gut and glue your butt to the seat just because you're on a 450.

Smaller bikes lend themselves to helping you learn to ride aggressively and bigger bikes tend to help you learn to ride smooth. I don't know if one is more important than the other.

If you make a conscious decision to practice something, like ruts, or seat bouncing, or whoops, you'll get better no matter what bike you're on.

450s aren't *that* heavy, you get used to it fast.

I've had two 250f's and never spent any more on maintenance than I would have with 2 strokes. If you plan on blowing stuff up, then sure, rule out 4 strokes.

Just reading between the lines a bit, I think you might miss the ability to just wring the throttle for all it's worth around the track. It's definitely fun and feels like you're going fast, in contrast to a 450, which might feel more like you're tip-toeing around in comparison. If that's the case, I still say run the 450 until you don't feel stupid Smile
2smokertillend 1/14/2015 3:49am
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My first bike was a 125, and I said this is the best, most fun bike a person could ride, why would anyone want anything else. Than I bought a 250 2 stroke. Wow that's the best, most fun bike. Have fun dude.
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hbdesigns913 1/14/2015 4:36am
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If you're not happy then get something else. Then if you're not happy with that, get something else. I have never been significantly faster on one specific brand or size

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Idk man. What was the most fun? I had a '11 KX450, then an '03 RM 250, 2014 KTM 250 SX, and now a '02 CR125...
Idk man. What was the most fun? I had a '11 KX450, then an '03 RM 250, 2014 KTM 250 SX, and now a '02 CR125.......

I am a has been..... I used to go pretty well but I'm a blown out 26 year old weekend warrior..... So a 450 just makes me push my limits. I have he most fun on a 125, so that's what I bought. Get whatever makes you smile while riding it!
I am right there with ya... I got a CRF 450, CR 125 and a couple pit bikes... THe 450 is fun, but I love jumping on my 125 and screaming around the track.

Back to the OP
450 might be a little bit much for you. I am sure you can work a trade with someone. People are always looking to trade a 250 stroke for a 450. But ride what ever you have the most fun on..

I know if i sold my 450 i would really miss it. Some days its a nice bike to have.
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mx621 1/14/2015 4:57am
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considering your ability level.. a 250f is a no brainer. unless ur a rev limiter happy c rider a 250f will last a long time.
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shanes 1/14/2015 5:08am
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its easy 250 2 stroke or get a 350 KTM if you want to stay 4 stroke , fook it get both then your sorted
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So it sounds like your 450 is your second bike, a 125 being the only other bike you've owned. So I'll suggest patience. Ride the big thumper for a while, then get something different, then ride that for a while, etc. You will learn different skills from each bike, let it happen and enjoy the process! You can spend a lifetime of riding and racing that way, based on the last 40 years of experience I highly recommend it. Be sure and throw some BMX and mountain biking in also..
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pdub187 1/14/2015 5:32am
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A 450 isn't really that hard to ride though. You can basically leave it in one gear and just ride the torque curve if you want. It's not like they're an evil, open-class two stroke. I don't really think jumping down to a smaller bike be a magical cure for your riding. IMO you should look into doing some moto schools. They will benefit you far more than a big change.
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aflacbut 1/14/2015 5:46am
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kawi448 wrote:
I apologize if this isn't the right category. I need some advice about my dirt engine bike. I bought a 2013 KX450F in in 2013, I...
I apologize if this isn't the right category. I need some advice about my dirt engine bike.

I bought a 2013 KX450F in in 2013, I had about 2 years riding experience before that on a 125. Currently I'm about a midpack C rider, but I think I might have been better had I not bought this 450. It's clearly too much bike, and I've read a lot of people's posts on here saying something like "I see people all the time at the track going slower than they should because they are on brand new 450s". The bike really just allows you to make any mistake and still go fairly quick, so it doesn't teach you much, plus it is hard to ride because its heavy for a novice and its not conducive to learning technical MX riding skills.

The main reason I got it was because I just wanted to not fight for power all the time and have it on tap, and have a stable bike, but looking back my 125 was jetted terribly and the suspension was not even close to right for me, and it was still some of the most fun I've ever had on a dirt bike. Plus I actually noticed myself getting better every time I rode it.

I really want to go back to 2 strokes, but I'm not sure if a 250 2 stroke is too much power and gonna basically cause the same problem as a 450. I know it will force technique and cornering skills tho. I realize a 250f is obviously great for learning but I don't want/ have the money to keep up with maintenance, plus I want the fun of a 2 stroke.

One of my A rider friends told me when I asked him this "the 450 was a mistake. the only 2 stroke you should buy is a 250. or get a 250f."
I had a CRF450 that I put a ton of money into and it was just a mistake. Fastest bike out there and looked amazing but a mistake. So I made the choice to get a 13 KX250F and love riding again. I'm almost 40 and was really struggling with the added power after I added a pipe, did a bunch of engine work. I rode a lot of bikes prior to my purchase but do regret not riding a KTM150. I didn't like my buddy's 01 CR250 and have owned 2 stroke 250s before.

I suggest you find a ride day and maybe go from there. Also I never get tired on the 250F. I also wanted a bike I could trail ride all day and take to the track the next. I haven't had any issues motor wise and upkeep has been pretty easy so far.

Good Luck!
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BD233 1/14/2015 5:50am
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I went the same route...125, then a 250t, thought I wanted a 4 stroke (back when they were all the rage), got a 450. It was fast and I could leave it in 3rd all day on most tracks around here...had no trouble in ruts or anything and could jump everything with ease but it got boring real quick. Bought a 250f and it was fun but lacked the power I needed...now I'm back to the 250t and it's more fun, easier to maintain and keeps me in shape. I'm 40 and no longer race sans the one off Cancer race or whatevs....finding the right bike is a journey...go for it, sell, trade, try them all.
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MX_Andrew83 1/14/2015 5:55am
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maybe a KTM 350 would be a good fit.
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Ted722 1/14/2015 5:59am
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MxKing809 wrote:
Idk man. What was the most fun? I had a '11 KX450, then an '03 RM 250, 2014 KTM 250 SX, and now a '02 CR125...
Idk man. What was the most fun? I had a '11 KX450, then an '03 RM 250, 2014 KTM 250 SX, and now a '02 CR125.......

I am a has been..... I used to go pretty well but I'm a blown out 26 year old weekend warrior..... So a 450 just makes me push my limits. I have he most fun on a 125, so that's what I bought. Get whatever makes you smile while riding it!
Even if you're not a has been! What ^^^^^^ he said. You'll ride much better on a bike you're having the most fun on...no matter what displacement. Will your lap times maybe go down 1/2 second a lap...maybe. But, my money's on that you will actually be a 1/2 second a lap quicker with a big smile on your face. Definitely try the 250 2-stroke, but nothing wrong will going back home to the 125.
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FARANG 1/14/2015 6:00am
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250 2 stroke might be too much, I'd go YZ144 or KTM150.
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I was in the same boat a 450 was way to much for me and when I went toa Ktm demo day and ride everything from the 450 to the 125 I realized how much fun and faster I was on a small bore two stroke. I was fastest on a 150 but it wasn't enough. 250 was a bit to much. So I bought ktm200sx and everything they say on the web is true. I think I'm going to have Tom Morgan make it a 219.

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kawi448 wrote:
Sorry I forgot that you know everything about me from 3 vague sentences. I'm talking about power from the standpoint of how much the power covers...
Sorry I forgot that you know everything about me from 3 vague sentences.

I'm talking about power from the standpoint of how much the power covers up your mistakes. Once again sorry for the misunderstanding.
Hold on Bro! Let's just get one thing sorted out first.


Do you even lift Bro?
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YZ125H1 1/14/2015 6:21am
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Figure out if you want to go 2 stroke or 4 stroke first. I bought a 250f without even trying one big mistake. With enough time I could adapt to the 250f and I was getting good on the bike. I was also riding a 125 every once in a while in between, but switching from 2 to 4 all the time as a weekend warrior just wasnt working. After listing the pros and cons of each bike and trying to see what I could change and what I couldnt I decided on staying all 2 stroke. The power is a little bit harder to deal with and not as much torque, but I prefer the feel of the bike much more compared to 4 strokes. It is more important to find a bike you have fun riding more than anything. You should be fine on the 450 if you give it enough time probably just in your head.

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wfo250 1/14/2015 6:24am
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kawi448 wrote:
I apologize if this isn't the right category. I need some advice about my dirt engine bike. I bought a 2013 KX450F in in 2013, I...
I apologize if this isn't the right category. I need some advice about my dirt engine bike.

I bought a 2013 KX450F in in 2013, I had about 2 years riding experience before that on a 125. Currently I'm about a midpack C rider, but I think I might have been better had I not bought this 450. It's clearly too much bike, and I've read a lot of people's posts on here saying something like "I see people all the time at the track going slower than they should because they are on brand new 450s". The bike really just allows you to make any mistake and still go fairly quick, so it doesn't teach you much, plus it is hard to ride because its heavy for a novice and its not conducive to learning technical MX riding skills.

The main reason I got it was because I just wanted to not fight for power all the time and have it on tap, and have a stable bike, but looking back my 125 was jetted terribly and the suspension was not even close to right for me, and it was still some of the most fun I've ever had on a dirt bike. Plus I actually noticed myself getting better every time I rode it.

I really want to go back to 2 strokes, but I'm not sure if a 250 2 stroke is too much power and gonna basically cause the same problem as a 450. I know it will force technique and cornering skills tho. I realize a 250f is obviously great for learning but I don't want/ have the money to keep up with maintenance, plus I want the fun of a 2 stroke.

One of my A rider friends told me when I asked him this "the 450 was a mistake. the only 2 stroke you should buy is a 250. or get a 250f."
It's in your head, learn to ride the 450.
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seth505 1/14/2015 6:53am
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The Rock wrote:
How tall are you and how much do you weigh? Unless you're suitable to be a jockey I say keep the 450 but your words "worry...
How tall are you and how much do you weigh? Unless you're suitable to be a jockey I say keep the 450 but your words "worry that a 250 two stroke might be too much" give me pause for concern. If you are looking for milky smooth power delivery get a street bike and forget MX. It ain't for sissies and you're supposed to be hanging on not sitting there.
Why would that give you pause for concern? Racing a 250 2-stroke can be a chore just like he found out with the 450 but for slightly different reasons.

It's quite funny/ridiculous how ever since 450s became the norm that people all of a sudden look at a 250 2-stroke as a tamed down bike. I can tell you from experience that racing a 250 (especially against 450s) can be a chore.

I like the idea of a 150 or 250f for the dude, possibly a 250 2-stroke if he rides a few to try them out.
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731chopper 1/14/2015 7:19am
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kawi448 wrote:
I apologize if this isn't the right category. I need some advice about my dirt engine bike. I bought a 2013 KX450F in in 2013, I...
I apologize if this isn't the right category. I need some advice about my dirt engine bike.

I bought a 2013 KX450F in in 2013, I had about 2 years riding experience before that on a 125. Currently I'm about a midpack C rider, but I think I might have been better had I not bought this 450. It's clearly too much bike, and I've read a lot of people's posts on here saying something like "I see people all the time at the track going slower than they should because they are on brand new 450s". The bike really just allows you to make any mistake and still go fairly quick, so it doesn't teach you much, plus it is hard to ride because its heavy for a novice and its not conducive to learning technical MX riding skills.

The main reason I got it was because I just wanted to not fight for power all the time and have it on tap, and have a stable bike, but looking back my 125 was jetted terribly and the suspension was not even close to right for me, and it was still some of the most fun I've ever had on a dirt bike. Plus I actually noticed myself getting better every time I rode it.

I really want to go back to 2 strokes, but I'm not sure if a 250 2 stroke is too much power and gonna basically cause the same problem as a 450. I know it will force technique and cornering skills tho. I realize a 250f is obviously great for learning but I don't want/ have the money to keep up with maintenance, plus I want the fun of a 2 stroke.

One of my A rider friends told me when I asked him this "the 450 was a mistake. the only 2 stroke you should buy is a 250. or get a 250f."
I think you are putting too much stock into what other people say and think. You hear a lot these days about how 450s are easy to ride because they allow for more mistakes, etc. vs a two-stroke but when you hear that in the pro racing world they are talking about the bikes on very technical and difficult sections like in Supercross or on a very deep/whooped out track. I think 90% of the time when you hear that at a local track it is just people resonating what they hear from "the pros". The vast majority of any track you'll be riding on allows for a lot of mistakes no matter what bike you're on.

You can learn proper technique just as well on a four-stroke. I grew up racing two-strokes and have a warm place in my heart for them just like most all of us in the sport but I don't subscribe to the idea that they make superior riders. You can learn technical riding skills like staying in a rut, riding in sand, skimming whoops, timing rhythm sections, ect. on a four-stroke just fine.

Ride whatever bike you have fun on because that is what you're doing this for. If you feel like you aren't learning to ride better then look into taking a class or study other riders technique, try to emulate it and see if it makes you more comfortable and/or able to go quicker around the track. Looking for a different bike isn't the right answer unless you just simply aren't having fun on your current bike or just want something else.

Also, you made a comment about not wanting a 250 thumper because of the maintenance requirements. That again is something that gets resonated from the pro level. If you take care of the bike (change the oil and filters routinely) at your riding level and don't refuse to shift then a 250 thumper doesn't actually require much maintenance despite what the gossipers might make you think.
mgifracing 1/14/2015 7:20am
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Have you had the suspension set up for your weight? If the bike feels heavy and won't corner it sounds like you need some set up time and then I think the 450 would be fine. I got tired of rebuilding 4 smokes so I went back to 2 strokes but I'm a Revaholic.
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Myke wrote:
KTM 350 best of all worlds. [URL=http://s714.photobucket.com/user/myke1234/media/IMAG0032-1.jpg.html][IMG]http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww148/myke1234/IMAG0032-1.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
KTM 350 best of all worlds.

Best Bike! especially for the reasons you say!
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I think where you ride will really determine this. I grew up riding 125's and 250's and thought I would never touch anything else. I moved out to the desert for college and realized quickly that a 125, or even my 150 wasn't suited to sustained high speed runs. I was nervous but went ahead and bought a leftover 14' YZ450 and couldn't be happier with my decision. Even at 155 LBS it feels easy to move around and the power is just always there. If you are running strictly track or tight trails, go for a KTM150. I promise you won't run out of power. I plan on owning another one day when funds allow.
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First of all, it doesn't matter what you're riding to practice technique, with the exception of what is necessary to the characteristics of the bike you are riding, i.e., engine braking or not, etc. For your size and weight (and gaining, as you put it), the 125 may be fun, but you definitely would enjoy a 250 more, 2 or 4 stroke! The weight and bulk of your 450 seems to be what you're not digging too much, so I'd say to put in the time to get used to it, or get rid of it, either way, it comes down to what you enjoy, and it doesn't sound like there's much of that happening at this point. That 450 can be exciting, but you have to learn to ride it, and that doesn't mean learning how to sit down lugging 3rd gear around the entire track, LOL! Practice technique first, and speed will come with time,..that is for any bike!
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jasonward73 1/14/2015 9:03am
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The Rock wrote:
How tall are you and how much do you weigh? Unless you're suitable to be a jockey I say keep the 450 but your words "worry...
How tall are you and how much do you weigh? Unless you're suitable to be a jockey I say keep the 450 but your words "worry that a 250 two stroke might be too much" give me pause for concern. If you are looking for milky smooth power delivery get a street bike and forget MX. It ain't for sissies and you're supposed to be hanging on not sitting there.
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First I'm 6'2 175 and gaining. Second I'm not "looking for milky smooth power delivery". That is the definition of a 450. I just said "I...
First I'm 6'2 175 and gaining. Second I'm not "looking for milky smooth power delivery". That is the definition of a 450. I just said "I want a 250 2 stroke" which is the polar opposite. So how do you derive that I want milky smooth power delivery?

Third I'm not a sissy and I clearly grasp the concept of what MX is all about. Hanging off the back fender. Not sitting down. Lol u think I'm such a bitch haha. Some of the most fun I've ever had on a dirt bike is hanging off the rear fender on a 125 5-6 gear wide open through sand whoops.

I'm looking for that type of fun again on a 2 stroke, the only reason I "worry about the power of a 250 2 stroke" is if it will make it too easy to cover up mistakes and not teach me anything. I'm looking for MORE difficulty than the 450.
Where do mid pack C riders hang off the back of a 125 in 5th/6th gear going through sand whoops?

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Just get a Yamaha or KTM 250f. They are very reliable as far as a 250f goes and easy as pie to ride. If you are worried about maintenance, unless you ride all the time and practice 3 days a week it isn't that bad. I mean if you ride the piss out of any bike and don't do proper maintenance on it you will end up with a money pit... I've herd of people with 100 hours on a stock newer model Yamaha 250f engine with no problems..
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MxKing809 1/14/2015 9:14am
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The Rock wrote:
How tall are you and how much do you weigh? Unless you're suitable to be a jockey I say keep the 450 but your words "worry...
How tall are you and how much do you weigh? Unless you're suitable to be a jockey I say keep the 450 but your words "worry that a 250 two stroke might be too much" give me pause for concern. If you are looking for milky smooth power delivery get a street bike and forget MX. It ain't for sissies and you're supposed to be hanging on not sitting there.
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First I'm 6'2 175 and gaining. Second I'm not "looking for milky smooth power delivery". That is the definition of a 450. I just said "I...
First I'm 6'2 175 and gaining. Second I'm not "looking for milky smooth power delivery". That is the definition of a 450. I just said "I want a 250 2 stroke" which is the polar opposite. So how do you derive that I want milky smooth power delivery?

Third I'm not a sissy and I clearly grasp the concept of what MX is all about. Hanging off the back fender. Not sitting down. Lol u think I'm such a bitch haha. Some of the most fun I've ever had on a dirt bike is hanging off the rear fender on a 125 5-6 gear wide open through sand whoops.

I'm looking for that type of fun again on a 2 stroke, the only reason I "worry about the power of a 250 2 stroke" is if it will make it too easy to cover up mistakes and not teach me anything. I'm looking for MORE difficulty than the 450.
jasonward73 wrote:
Where do mid pack C riders hang off the back of a 125 in 5th/6th gear going through sand whoops?

I've seen it personally:

- Its never planned

- they rarely recover
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jasonward73 1/14/2015 9:17am
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First I'm 6'2 175 and gaining. Second I'm not "looking for milky smooth power delivery". That is the definition of a 450. I just said "I...
First I'm 6'2 175 and gaining. Second I'm not "looking for milky smooth power delivery". That is the definition of a 450. I just said "I want a 250 2 stroke" which is the polar opposite. So how do you derive that I want milky smooth power delivery?

Third I'm not a sissy and I clearly grasp the concept of what MX is all about. Hanging off the back fender. Not sitting down. Lol u think I'm such a bitch haha. Some of the most fun I've ever had on a dirt bike is hanging off the rear fender on a 125 5-6 gear wide open through sand whoops.

I'm looking for that type of fun again on a 2 stroke, the only reason I "worry about the power of a 250 2 stroke" is if it will make it too easy to cover up mistakes and not teach me anything. I'm looking for MORE difficulty than the 450.
jasonward73 wrote:
Where do mid pack C riders hang off the back of a 125 in 5th/6th gear going through sand whoops?

MxKing809 wrote:
I've seen it personally:

- Its never planned

- they rarely recover
Ah hah! Good point. Didn't consider that angle.
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FGR01 wrote:
Get a 250F. I can already tell just buy reading your posts that a 250 2-st will kick your ass. If you do get a 250...
Get a 250F. I can already tell just buy reading your posts that a 250 2-st will kick your ass. If you do get a 250 2-str, get a 2002+ Honda since they are gutless, put 4 base gaskets and the biggest flywheel weight you can find on it, up all jets 4 sizes, and cover 1/'2 the air intake with duct tape.
kawi448 wrote:
Your so sick BRO. You can't tell shit from my post. You probably ride a kx500af bored to 640 running nitro and hit 300 foot jumps...
Your so sick BRO.

You can't tell shit from my post. You probably ride a kx500af bored to 640 running nitro and hit 300 foot jumps right?

I'm not fucking scared of 450s smooth ass power. I want that 2 stroke hit. I just also want to improve as much as possible from my time riding which a 450 doesn't do
I think you fell and faceplanted in the thick quicksand of sarcasm.

It sounds like you've got your mind made up dude. Get a 250 2-stroke and you will have the tiresome, difficult to ride, skill developing beast you desire.

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