KX250, CR250R, RM250 vs 2015 YZ250, 250SX, TC250

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Edited Date/Time 12/25/2014 2:18pm
I was going through the latest MXA, saw the 250 2stroke shootout and wonder how the lastest CR, RM and KX250 would stack up against the new KTM, TC and YZ250. Would it be realistic to think that an actual shootout could be made? Or is it a stupid idea? I think many of you probably thought of it, I am pretty sure it's still possible to find these bikes that are not in production in immaculate stock trim. Would any manufacturer of the bikes that are not in production be willing to contribute?
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12/24/2014 5:37pm
I'd be willing to bet that the same bikes would get the same praise, new or old. Yammy has works-like suspension, KTM has the best motor, Suzuki turns the best, and the Honda and Kawi are both strong in their own right. That said, I think the newest bikes would be the best.
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12/24/2014 5:53pm
A year of two ago, Motocross Action tested a Service Honda "CR250". I believe it was built on the latest CRF250 chassis with a 2001 CR250 engine with a pipe and reeds (?) . They said the engine was as good as the latest KTM 250SX. They raved about the bike.
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2015 YZ250!!! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/12/24/74946/s1200_IMG_1019.jpg[/img]
2015 YZ250!!!



Bro, that's a nice bike, but those graphics....

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12/24/2014 7:15pm
I would put my TMR tuned 2006 KX250 up against any of them.

Mine is still mildly tuned with a PC pipe, I might send the cylinder back and go whole hog with it. I was dragging a local pro down the back straight of my local track and he couldn't pull me and he was on a 2014 KTM 450.... Then again he smoked me everywhere else so I might just be remembering it differently than it actually occurred Tongue
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bvm111 wrote:
I would put my TMR tuned 2006 KX250 up against any of them. Mine is still mildly tuned with a PC pipe, I might send the...
I would put my TMR tuned 2006 KX250 up against any of them.

Mine is still mildly tuned with a PC pipe, I might send the cylinder back and go whole hog with it. I was dragging a local pro down the back straight of my local track and he couldn't pull me and he was on a 2014 KTM 450.... Then again he smoked me everywhere else so I might just be remembering it differently than it actually occurred Tongue
This thread is about stock bikes, not tuned, mildy or not.
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bvm111 wrote:
I would put my TMR tuned 2006 KX250 up against any of them. Mine is still mildly tuned with a PC pipe, I might send the...
I would put my TMR tuned 2006 KX250 up against any of them.

Mine is still mildly tuned with a PC pipe, I might send the cylinder back and go whole hog with it. I was dragging a local pro down the back straight of my local track and he couldn't pull me and he was on a 2014 KTM 450.... Then again he smoked me everywhere else so I might just be remembering it differently than it actually occurred Tongue
zehn wrote:
This thread is about stock bikes, not tuned, mildy or not.
Um.... Ok?

What are you the thread police or something.... Or maybe 13 years old???

The point I was making is my 2006 KX250 that was unridden when purchased last year was and is competitive today against 450's, just more so now with some mild porting... why wouldn't it be competence against a 2015 250SX even when stock???

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Since all of us modify our bikes to fix their shortcomings, it would be interesting to see what the pecking order would be with fully modified bikes.
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12/24/2014 9:26pm
I really think stroke for stroke, the bikes are fairly even. Suspension wise there have been some minor improvements and a 2006 or 2008 may not be as plush or have the best midstroke. But power, handling and ergo 'wise 01 up to 15 are going to be similar for most brands.
The two vs four stroke debate will rage on....however each is suited to it's own dirt type. Thumpers like the dry stuff better but smokers are a little faster most everywhere else.
That said....all new bikes and tons of used bikes, in stock condition, are set up for the general masses and obvisously some work better than others...any given year. It seems to me like 1990-92 to today the bikes are all fairly competetive with each other. My 92 KX was good suspension 'wise and had a great engine...it would walk most other brands and would snuff the track chop way better than the similiar year Hondas and RMs. KTMs weren't even in the picture back then. I really don't feel my 03 RM is so much better. So a 13 probably isn't so much better. Each year is a little "different" or a step better or sometimes worse.
Not sure stock for stock a 125 and a 250F are so evenly matched. The F has much better torque and on certain tracks will blow a 125 away. On larger softer tracks the 125 has a chance though. I am absolutely not sold on fourstrokers...the rotating mass twerks handling and braking and are loud as hell, yet anybody can ride one "fast".
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12/24/2014 11:07pm Edited Date/Time 12/24/2014 11:12pm
I think the japanese smokers were light years ahead of the ktm from 2000 to 2012. Proof is that the yamaha with an engine the 90 s and frame and suspension from 06 is evenly matched with the 2015 ktm.

I wish honda made a cr with a 92 to 01 engine with keihin carb and the 2002 to 2007 frame and suspension with a few plastic changes. That bike would kick ass.
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12/25/2014 8:25am
When I saw the title, I thought you were selling a bike on craigslist.
People list all bikes they can think of in the keyword section. Because you know, I'm searching for a KTM but hey, I will settle for your piece of shit Honda.
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12/25/2014 9:03am
what would be really cool is a budget cap shootout. take the most expensive new bike. thats the budget cap then get a bike of each color in whatever shape you find it. fix and mod them within the budget. after that face them and see what happens.

thats what many of us are doing fixing cheap bikes and modding the hell out of them and making great bikes in the process.
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12/25/2014 9:06am
That is a great idea!
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what would be really cool is a budget cap shootout. take the most expensive new bike. thats the budget cap then get a bike of each...
what would be really cool is a budget cap shootout. take the most expensive new bike. thats the budget cap then get a bike of each color in whatever shape you find it. fix and mod them within the budget. after that face them and see what happens.

thats what many of us are doing fixing cheap bikes and modding the hell out of them and making great bikes in the process.
In that case, the Yamaha would win every time if your budget is the 250SX. It's way cheaper to get a pipe and do up the head a little bit to get the motor to the KTM's level than it is to get the KTM's suspension up to the level of the Yamaha.
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12/25/2014 11:09am
Uuuggh, YZ front fender is uuuuuugggly.
12/25/2014 1:42pm
2015 YZ250!!! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/12/24/74946/s1200_IMG_1019.jpg[/img]
2015 YZ250!!!



zehn wrote:
Bro, that's a nice bike, but those graphics....


same company...different cc, different design...
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12/25/2014 2:18pm
The old bikes are probably just as good. Magazines put down bikes that haven't been changed recently (Suzuki) even if they perform better than those that got changed.
Late gen CR250s were really slow in stock trim though.

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