Here's what has to change.

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9/28/2014 5:04pm
kiwifan wrote:
Good point, AMA tracks are too well groomed compared to the Euro tracks
We have no sand.
bd wrote:
FL has plenty of sand tracks and FL should have a National. How the fuck does SLC have a national and FL does not?
$$$$ if MXSports made more money in Florida there would be a race there.
9/28/2014 5:05pm
bd wrote:
FL has plenty of sand tracks and FL should have a National. How the fuck does SLC have a national and FL does not?
I don't think that a single national race on a sandtrack will change something!?You have to put 3-4 sandtracks on the schedule and your riders have to practice on thoses tracks like the euros do on several tracks during offseason.
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9/28/2014 5:10pm
bd wrote:
FL has plenty of sand tracks and FL should have a National. How the fuck does SLC have a national and FL does not?
I don't think that a single national race on a sandtrack will change something!?You have to put 3-4 sandtracks on the schedule and your riders have...
I don't think that a single national race on a sandtrack will change something!?You have to put 3-4 sandtracks on the schedule and your riders have to practice on thoses tracks like the euros do on several tracks during offseason.
You are correct, we had Souhtwick when we got our asses handed to us at Lommel..
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9/28/2014 5:14pm
You really thought the tracks this year were plowed and smooth?

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9/28/2014 5:18pm
mom241 wrote:
You really thought the tracks this year were plowed and smooth?
Where was the sand? Millville? Lol
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9/28/2014 5:18pm
mom241 wrote:
You really thought the tracks this year were plowed and smooth?
I don't

I do think asking a rider to take a 3 week break, go to a foreign place and race hard 2 day's when He has only raced 1 day all year is a slight disadvantage.

We have great riders , one thing I learned at the 4 MXdN's I attended was even though we won , We could have lost a lot easier.

many things at this event have to go right for a Team to win.
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9/28/2014 5:19pm
Forza wrote:
Where was the sand? Millville? Lol
I didn't say we had sand. My question is why are people complaining about the tracks this summer. They were plenty rough.
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9/28/2014 5:20pm
mom241 wrote:
You really thought the tracks this year were plowed and smooth?
I do have to say, the tracks were rougher this year than years past, what did you see today that made the difference, just curious?
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9/28/2014 5:20pm
One thing I noticed about the US tracks is how rutty they are, I wouldn't call them rough as in big bumps just rutty as in slot car racing.
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9/28/2014 5:22pm
mom241 wrote:
You really thought the tracks this year were plowed and smooth?
machine wrote:
I do have to say, the tracks were rougher this year than years past, what did you see today that made the difference, just curious?
Wasn't sand. Two words: bad starts.
9/28/2014 5:23pm
mom241 wrote:
You really thought the tracks this year were plowed and smooth?
500guy wrote:
I don't I do think asking a rider to take a 3 week break, go to a foreign place and race hard 2 day's when He...
I don't

I do think asking a rider to take a 3 week break, go to a foreign place and race hard 2 day's when He has only raced 1 day all year is a slight disadvantage.

We have great riders , one thing I learned at the 4 MXdN's I attended was even though we won , We could have lost a lot easier.

many things at this event have to go right for a Team to win.
Now it's a three week break, in which professionals who have ridden their entire lives, are losing their edge?

It's the tracks, as someone else mentioned, big difference between ruts and bumps.
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I think the most realistic way to fix this (if MXGP continues to end a month after the AMA nationals) is to have our MXdN team compete at the last MXGP of the year. I know, it's expensive, it would be a huge hassle and an additional commitment for the riders, but it would give them a chance to size up the competition and get a handle on the differences on equipment. In the end, I guess the question - is the additional commitment worth it?
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9/28/2014 5:26pm
mom241 wrote:
You really thought the tracks this year were plowed and smooth?
machine wrote:
I do have to say, the tracks were rougher this year than years past, what did you see today that made the difference, just curious?
mom241 wrote:
Wasn't sand. Two words: bad starts.
I just don't get how we couldn't get a start today...looked like we were too conservative and got pushed around on the starts to me.
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9/28/2014 5:33pm
mom241 wrote:
Wasn't sand. Two words: bad starts.
^ somebody follows the sport.Wink
9/28/2014 5:34pm
The only thing that needs to change is Americans thinking they are better at everything than the rest of the world. This sport originated in Europe. Americans chose to remove the purity of the sport and chose to embrace indoor, man made, single moto, 20min races more than outdoor mx. Our riders and teams are only 30% focused on motocross. They, by financial necessity, are 70% focused on sx. And people wonder why the rest of the world are better motocross riders?
9/28/2014 5:35pm
Racing on Saturday is better.
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9/28/2014 5:37pm
The only thing that needs to change is Americans thinking they are better at everything than the rest of the world. This sport originated in Europe...
The only thing that needs to change is Americans thinking they are better at everything than the rest of the world. This sport originated in Europe. Americans chose to remove the purity of the sport and chose to embrace indoor, man made, single moto, 20min races more than outdoor mx. Our riders and teams are only 30% focused on motocross. They, by financial necessity, are 70% focused on sx. And people wonder why the rest of the world are better motocross riders?
We need an SXDN...guaranteed win every time..Grinning
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9/28/2014 5:47pm
It is what it is.....them boys got spanked like little school girls!

Everybody rode the same kind of bikes on the same track!

Paulin is my new Kawi hero.
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9/28/2014 5:52pm
We got beat straight up.. ty decosta but you have to go. I thought canard was great all year and he always had great starts and still no canard dungey is done
9/28/2014 6:24pm
500guy wrote:
Shorter race schedule in the USA 17-20 races total Outdoors race Saturday and Sunday again including real qualifying races MXdN no more than 2 weeks after...
Shorter race schedule in the USA 17-20 races total

Outdoors race Saturday and Sunday again including real qualifying races

MXdN no more than 2 weeks after our series is over.

Same rules on fuel and sound (no wow this bike sucks feeling)

American's need to stop being suck big fucking babies when we don't win.
"American's need to stop being suck big fucking babies when we don't win."

....and yet you get on here with a bunch of excuses. Your list is embarrassing. The US just got it's ass kicked by a bunch of guys that just ran a full GP reason.
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9/28/2014 6:40pm
mark_swart wrote:
I think the most realistic way to fix this (if MXGP continues to end a month after the AMA nationals) is to have our MXdN team...
I think the most realistic way to fix this (if MXGP continues to end a month after the AMA nationals) is to have our MXdN team compete at the last MXGP of the year. I know, it's expensive, it would be a huge hassle and an additional commitment for the riders, but it would give them a chance to size up the competition and get a handle on the differences on equipment. In the end, I guess the question - is the additional commitment worth it?
I don't really think anything is broken. Our boys just didn't get good gate picks and ended up with shitty starts on a 180 right hand start.
But, I like the sounds of your idea. Probably piss a few of the GP guys off too...
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9/28/2014 7:06pm
mom241 wrote:
Wasn't sand. Two words: bad starts.
zippy895 wrote:
^ somebody follows the sport.Wink
Tomas in the 2 nd moto had a bad start?
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9/28/2014 7:09pm
500guy wrote:
Shorter race schedule in the USA 17-20 races total Outdoors race Saturday and Sunday again including real qualifying races MXdN no more than 2 weeks after...
Shorter race schedule in the USA 17-20 races total

Outdoors race Saturday and Sunday again including real qualifying races

MXdN no more than 2 weeks after our series is over.

Same rules on fuel and sound (no wow this bike sucks feeling)

American's need to stop being suck big fucking babies when we don't win.
"American's need to stop being suck big fucking babies when we don't win." ....and yet you get on here with a bunch of excuses. Your list...
"American's need to stop being suck big fucking babies when we don't win."

....and yet you get on here with a bunch of excuses. Your list is embarrassing. The US just got it's ass kicked by a bunch of guys that just ran a full GP reason.
Here's my One last come back just for you

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9/28/2014 7:10pm
machine wrote:
I do have to say, the tracks were rougher this year than years past, what did you see today that made the difference, just curious?
mom241 wrote:
Wasn't sand. Two words: bad starts.
machine wrote:
I just don't get how we couldn't get a start today...looked like we were too conservative and got pushed around on the starts to me.
Right handed turn after the start straight. Most of ours are left handed. Not saying that's the reason, just the only thing I can think of besides just shitty luck.
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9/28/2014 7:22pm
mom241 wrote:
You really thought the tracks this year were plowed and smooth?
machine wrote:
I do have to say, the tracks were rougher this year than years past, what did you see today that made the difference, just curious?
mom241 wrote:
Wasn't sand. Two words: bad starts.
Yep and two more.

Bad luck.

That's it. People hanging your team out to dry are crazy.

AC was another fastest rider on track. A crash and he isn't top 30. Reed was 5th fastest. Didn't do anything. Just bad luck and bad starts. France didn't have any of either.
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9/28/2014 7:29pm
The only thing that needs to change is Americans thinking they are better at everything than the rest of the world. This sport originated in Europe...
The only thing that needs to change is Americans thinking they are better at everything than the rest of the world. This sport originated in Europe. Americans chose to remove the purity of the sport and chose to embrace indoor, man made, single moto, 20min races more than outdoor mx. Our riders and teams are only 30% focused on motocross. They, by financial necessity, are 70% focused on sx. And people wonder why the rest of the world are better motocross riders?
that's very true but SX pays the bills and the good euro riders know that. ask any of them who had a good career in the states how well off they are now compared to if they had just stayed in europe
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9/28/2014 7:44pm
zippy895 wrote:
Americans have to practice for better starts.thats all that has to change.
This. Fastest lap, blah, blah. Who gives a shit if it's only 1 lap and you turn it in 33rd place. Dungey rode well enough in his first moto, Eli rode well enough in both. France had starts and speed. That's all it takes.
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9/28/2014 10:55pm
I think having to wait a month for the Des Nations really hurts the AMA riders. We all see the weird mistakes riders make at A1 and the MEC. That month is the longest time off other than those two races. I personally would rather see a little longer break between SX and MX and only a 2 week break before the Des Nations.
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TDeath21 wrote:
I think having to wait a month for the Des Nations really hurts the AMA riders. We all see the weird mistakes riders make at A1...
I think having to wait a month for the Des Nations really hurts the AMA riders. We all see the weird mistakes riders make at A1 and the MEC. That month is the longest time off other than those two races. I personally would rather see a little longer break between SX and MX and only a 2 week break before the Des Nations.
That's the best idea I have heard all day on this topic!! Get some recovery and testing time in between series for the riders and teams, maybe even help the TV ratings by giving fans time to get psyched up again for the outdoor season before jumping right into it. And the bonus being the American team hits MXdN while they are still at their peak. This isn't just about losing - I think it's a raw deal for the guys selected to the team to have to stay in outdoor mode for an extra month for one race while everyone else is either getting a little downtime or ramping back up for SX!
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9/29/2014 12:51am
Stop plowing the tracks

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