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EastCoastMx 9/12/2014 8:36pm
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So lets review....................

a. A lot of new blood will be able to try to qualify for a spot in the 125cc nationals and race one 20 min race for the win

b. A lot a talented wmx racers will be able to try to qualify for a spot in the nationals and race one 20 min race for the win

c. The current 250cc racers will still race a 20 min one moto format for the win...

d. The current 450cc racers will still race a 20 min one moto format for the win...

e. A new group of pros will race the open class which will have no restrictions for 20 mins for the win.....

f. TV will love it, lappers will be minimized, more motocross racers will be involved........

g. Nothing else will change and the days may be shorter.......

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Aaryn234 9/12/2014 9:24pm
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IN what other form of motorsport to riders race a single 20 minute single moto at a Pro Level.

20 min moto's is not Motocross at a Pro Level. The thing you are looking for is a amateur event not a pro event.

Just because you call it a pro class does not mean it will automatically bring sponsors or support in.

One / two of the classes will still be seen as the premier classes and take all the support and sponsorship money. A third class might pick up a little traction and support.

The Pro classes are for the best of the best that is what it is there for, why would you want to spread the talent across more classes? Isn't the point to have the best of the best race against each other at the top level.
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bvm111 9/12/2014 10:22pm
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As I have said in every one of these stupid type threads if you think you can build a better series.... Do it! YOU do it, as much as the socialist have tried this is still a free capatilist society where someone with a great idea with enough drive and determination can do anything he wants.... And either succeed or fail in HIS own merits!

You will make millions of dollars and be the savior of the sport! All along DC and MX Sports along with Feld and the FIM will be sitting there scratching their heads or asses wondering why they didn't think of something so brilliant.

So do it... Please become a promotor, invest your own money, build it and they will come.... Then again maybe they won't?!

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bigborefan 9/12/2014 11:10pm
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Sport looks pretty healthy to me. I went to three MX Nationals this year. Looked like there was plenty of people there IMO.

MX is never gonna be big time, just not gonna happen. And I like that just fine.
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Mikeyam187 9/12/2014 11:41pm
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Why do some of you think that motocross has to have short moto's just for TV? Look at car racing, how many hours do they run...that doesn't seem to stop it from being televised!
crashnburn11 9/13/2014 12:32am
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Screw being mainstream, keep the sport core. I don't care if we have to go back to top guys showing up in boxvans, but I don't think that is going to happen.
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Outsider 9/13/2014 12:58am
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EastCoastMx wrote:
If you think the average person who casually watches motocross racing on TV wants to watch two 45 minute motos (old school) and cant tell who...
If you think the average person who casually watches motocross racing on TV wants to watch two 45 minute motos (old school) and cant tell who is in the lead and who is a lapper, your not being realistic. Only core people can get into that....... we need to grab onto the short attention span action sport fans......You guys are always bitchin about lappers, this will help...and keep the racing real........
Yes, but you think we give a damn about the average person.

We don't.
wired4speed 9/13/2014 5:13am
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Motocross is a two race format and should always stay that way. DC is doing a great job in presenting this format on television. Television can only show so much of any sport. It doesn't show elevation changes, speed or smell. Whether it's motocross, downhill sking or a race track like Watkins Glen there's only so much that a camera can relay to the tv viewer. Even a sport like hockey doesn't capture the constant strategy of line changes that a spectator at the event is experiencing. As a fan I would like to see a 125 pro/am support race on Saturday even if it was a one moto format. It would give young regional riders a chance to race that National track and fans something to watch in addition to the timed qualifying format for the pros. You could even run the first 125 moto on Friday and show case the 2nd moto on Saturday in front of a National crowd if it could fit into the day's schedule.
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kijen 9/13/2014 5:26am
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EastCoastMx wrote:
If you think the average person who casually watches motocross racing on TV wants to watch two 45 minute motos (old school) and cant tell who...
If you think the average person who casually watches motocross racing on TV wants to watch two 45 minute motos (old school) and cant tell who is in the lead and who is a lapper, your not being realistic. Only core people can get into that....... we need to grab onto the short attention span action sport fans......You guys are always bitchin about lappers, this will help...and keep the racing real........
I don't think there are very many "casual fans" watching anyway and trying to change pro racing will not attract any new casual fans. I think the AMA, Manufactures, dealerships, High dollar aftermarket company's like PC or FMF etc... should be pursuing the idea of creating or brining NEW riders into the sport and "CREATE more CORE fans. i.e. manufactures purchase or lease large riding areas in regional areas across the country. Do and heavily promote a lot more races toward the local young level racers. Have the pros a lot more accessible to the public, providing riding schools, visit elementary schools etc... anything to expose those who don't ride or even know about the sport....

I think the sport needs to INVEST TIME and MONEY to grow the sport at the grass roots and that will naturally grow TV viewership. outside sponsors etc...

example golfs First Tee program....not perfect just an example of a sport looking toward the future....

Seems the current view of manufactures and MX Sports is entirely focused on the developing pro's which I understand, but it does nothing to bring new riders into the sport....The guys who fill the 50 plus class have kids who have already gone thru the local and amateur level....with less young adult guys riding that means less kids riding and less fans.
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fanger 9/13/2014 5:31am
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In the aussie nationals they run two types of format, one round will be 3x 20 minute motos and the next will be 2x 30 minute motos, seems to work just fine and levels it out for the guys who have to work all week.
overthebars39 9/13/2014 5:38am
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EastCoastMx wrote:
$ 10,000 bikes and $2,000 top ends.........so many opportunities .....limited riding areas, noise issues, injury issues, insurance issues, TV issues, etc. sorry I'm crazy to suggest...
$ 10,000 bikes and $2,000 top ends.........so many opportunities .....limited riding areas, noise issues, injury issues, insurance issues, TV issues, etc. sorry I'm crazy to suggest anything different on a motocross discussion forum....
So you come with a suggestion, people don't agree on it and you turn into the victim of the angry motocross fans.

If you can't take critique, don't suggest stuff.
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hvaughn88 9/13/2014 5:45am
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EastCoastMx wrote:
And explain to non MX people that the guys he is passing up to 12th place are lappers.....
So what you're saying is you would rather explain to people why there are 5 classes, what those engine displacement numbers mean, what "works" parts are in the open class, how they decide who races what class...all in the name of avoiding the explanation of why a really fast guy might catch up to a guy that's behind him? Seems counterproductive to me.
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Beast666 9/13/2014 6:12am
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Keep the current 30+2 format with 2 motos determining the overall in the 250 and 450 pro classes.

but add in a 20 min 2 stroke class and 20 min WMX class. Those 2 classes would run between the first motos of the 250 and 450 pros. This will allow the pro class riders to rest up between motos and there techs to prep the bike for the second motos.

The 2 stroke class will be a run what you want class with displacement between 125cc - 500cc depending on the track a 125 might be the weapon of choice on a tight track or a 500 on a wide open track. The WMX class allows 250-450cc 4 stroke or 125-500cc 2 strokes.
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NASCAR races last for 3 hours with 1 hour of commentary prior to the race.....
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.....they need cheerleaders and a marching band at the races for entertainment!
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I'll miss the brain cells I lost reading this garbage thread.

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EastCoastMx wrote:
I've been around a long time and hate to say this but MX needs some changes to stay current in todays environment...... 1. One moto format...
I've been around a long time and hate to say this but MX needs some changes to stay current in todays environment......

1. One moto format 20 minutes (after qualifiers)

2. Five Pro Classes

a. 125 cc
b. 250cc
c. WMX Open Class
d. 450 cc
e. Open Class
Worst idea since the superfinal
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Only one way this sport will grow... Bring more money back into our economy.
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Beast666 wrote:
Keep the current 30+2 format with 2 motos determining the overall in the 250 and 450 pro classes. but add in a 20 min 2 stroke...
Keep the current 30+2 format with 2 motos determining the overall in the 250 and 450 pro classes.

but add in a 20 min 2 stroke class and 20 min WMX class. Those 2 classes would run between the first motos of the 250 and 450 pros. This will allow the pro class riders to rest up between motos and there techs to prep the bike for the second motos.

The 2 stroke class will be a run what you want class with displacement between 125cc - 500cc depending on the track a 125 might be the weapon of choice on a tight track or a 500 on a wide open track. The WMX class allows 250-450cc 4 stroke or 125-500cc 2 strokes.
I think this would be good.

And definitely run the fastest guys last, slowest first.
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rbabb524 9/13/2014 12:17pm
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Motocross started as a two moto format in the early days because bikes were unreliable. Mechanical dnf's and dns's were much more common. So they made it two motos so fans had a better chance of seeing there favorite riders race at least once for the weekend. This is not the case anymore. Very rarely do you see a rider not start a race because his bike won't start at the line.

In my opinion racing should switch to a 1 moto format. It would make the stakes of each race higher. There would be no second chance. At the very least points should be paid out based on the overall not each moto. I think there is nothing more fustrating then when you have two guys go 2-1 and 1-2; to split the weekend. This creates a tie which sucks.

I also really like the idea of a chase system. It would make the championship run tighter, while also making one bad race or dnf less sever. Possible make for 3-4 contenders instead of two. Imagine this season we would have roczen, Dungey, Canard, and tomac all fighting at the end of the season. It would also give someone like Stewart a reason to come back and race the end of the season.
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3 20 minute Motos!
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steve_97060 9/13/2014 1:31pm
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rbabb524 wrote:
Motocross started as a two moto format in the early days because bikes were unreliable. Mechanical dnf's and dns's were much more common. So they made...

Motocross started as a two moto format in the early days because bikes were unreliable. Mechanical dnf's and dns's were much more common. So they made it two motos so fans had a better chance of seeing there favorite riders race at least once for the weekend. This is not the case anymore. Very rarely do you see a rider not start a race because his bike won't start at the line.

In my opinion racing should switch to a 1 moto format. It would make the stakes of each race higher. There would be no second chance. At the very least points should be paid out based on the overall not each moto. I think there is nothing more fustrating then when you have two guys go 2-1 and 1-2; to split the weekend. This creates a tie which sucks.

I also really like the idea of a chase system. It would make the championship run tighter, while also making one bad race or dnf less sever. Possible make for 3-4 contenders instead of two. Imagine this season we would have roczen, Dungey, Canard, and tomac all fighting at the end of the season. It would also give someone like Stewart a reason to come back and race the end of the season.
they actually were 3 moto formats..

and frankly, I couldn't take anyone seriously if they propose a one moto format or nascar scenarios..
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if you're really serious about growing the sport of motocross it starts at the grassroots level. There has to be affordability and availability of places to ride otherwise there will be no interest on the bottom. If there's no interest on the bottom it's just a matter of time till motocross dies. Basketball and baseball are both prime examples of what I'm saying. There's a basketball hoop on every block and there's a baseball field at every school. The cost of playing those two sports is pretty minimal. Compare that to the entry level costs of racing or riding motorcycles and where are you going to ride? At the end of the block up at the school? no probably only after a three hour drive. Plus most youngsters don't have a vehicle that's reliable enough to drive 2+ hours so again it falls back on to the parents and they're only free on weekends.
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