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TeamGreen 9/1/2014 5:42pm
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The real Super Teams were in the '80s. They were Red. They DOMINATED the TdN & MXdN...one particular year.
Langhammx 9/1/2014 5:49pm
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seth505 wrote:
You could also call it a coincidence that he happened to sign with same managment that RCH uses...
Although you are correct about the Wasserman group being his agent, which also represents RCH, I don't think that had all that much to do with it.
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From everything I've read is.....KTM and Kenny aren't splitting on bad terms. I think it's just that Kenny is at a stage where he thinks he should try something new. Maybe something that will help him get to the next step? You never know until you try right? And who knows.....maybe RCH and Kenny will be a dominant force?

Personally .....I'm kind of digging it really. I'd like to see what he can do on a Jap bike with RC in his corner. And another year of Aldon in his corner.

Remember what Aldon told RV..... " It's going to take 3yrs for us to reach your potential ". Kenny will be on year 2.

Future is looking bright for this kid no matter where he goes.
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Getndome 9/1/2014 6:55pm
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I remember one of their dads getting into it with kTM bout their bikes looking the worst in the whoops at one of the SX's not sure if it was dungeys or roczens dad though I remember hearing about it

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inthebadboycorner 9/1/2014 8:57pm
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My sources tell me that RCH have better food at the races, and that was the number one reason he jumped ship.
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My theory is that the Zook is better for $upercross. Stiffer frame... might be a quicker turning bike
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Didn't Decoster say on Pulp they tried everything to keep him, but couldn't match the casino money?
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imeo

loves suzukis

big $ offer

young up coming team

chance to learn from RC

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mxdude105 9/2/2014 4:03am
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I think it's the same basic rationale as Barcia leaving Honda for JGR.....wanting to be the undisputed top-dog on the team plus some degree of discontent with the motorcycle
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
My sources tell me that RCH have better food at the races, and that was the number one reason he jumped ship.
Don't think this is true because every time I go to the Phx SX I see RC at TGIF's ordering the endless nachos platter.
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danman 9/2/2014 6:58am
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Fearo wrote:
Didn't Decoster say on Pulp they tried everything to keep him, but couldn't match the casino money?
No, he said that KTM matched the offer and Kenny still decided to go.
AnimalHungry 9/2/2014 7:23am
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I think it's the same basic rationale as Barcia leaving Honda for JGR.....wanting to be the undisputed top-dog on the team plus some degree of discontent...
I think it's the same basic rationale as Barcia leaving Honda for JGR.....wanting to be the undisputed top-dog on the team plus some degree of discontent with the motorcycle
Mt 2 cents....It seems that RD and RD are v tight, so if Kenny stayed with KTM he would always be running second fiddle to Ryan. Whereas moving to RCH he gets to be the top guy on whom all the team's attention is focused.

Also think that he prefers an aluminum frame, esp for supercross, and pretty much up until he moved to the US he bled yellow.

Funnily enough, I don't think it's all about the money in this instance and I would think that KTM's offer to keep him was close to the RCH offer. Pretty sure KTM's not short of funds.

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cingred 9/2/2014 11:02am
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There is no way KTM can afford the "TWO" top guys in our sport who obv want max contracts. plus the fact that he has always...
There is no way KTM can afford the "TWO" top guys in our sport who obv want max contracts. plus the fact that he has always been very comfortable and confident on yellow makes this decision seem pretty easy.
Don't know the inner dealings with KTM's budget, but at the tech school this spring, we were privy to a little talk with Roger D. He mentioned Dean Wilson then and also said "If we kept Ken Roczen we would have to sell the company". Take that for what you will.
Motocross83 9/2/2014 12:08pm
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My theory is that the Zook is better for $upercross. Stiffer frame... might be a quicker turning bike
Yeah I agree. It's hard to tell but reading into the few snippets we've heard here and there on the matter, I would guess that Kenny feels that he can't take the KTM as far as he'd like to (comfort wise). Not having a go at KTM - obviously they make awesome bikes (I own an older one myself) but some have always felt that he looked a "fraction" better on the Suzuki before moving to orange in 2011. With that said there's not much in it and of course Kenny did just wrap up the 450 title on his KTM... But regardless, perhaps he feels that he can get a fraction more from the RMZ in Supercross. And at this level a fraction can make a huge difference to confidence and subsequently, speed.
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philG 9/2/2014 12:21pm
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A convo i had at a GP with his ex mechanic, 'kenny will always be a Suzuki boy' ...
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
My sources tell me that RCH have better food at the races, and that was the number one reason he jumped ship.
This....and free PINK concert tickets
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jasen.bougher 9/2/2014 2:42pm
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Ktm's net profit for 2013 just under 50 mill. Compare that with the other manus including Suzukis which was over 1 bill net profit you will see they don't have the money to compete with the japs other than yammie who's had some real bad years financially
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Fearo 9/3/2014 1:35am
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Fearo wrote:
Didn't Decoster say on Pulp they tried everything to keep him, but couldn't match the casino money?
danman wrote:
No, he said that KTM matched the offer and Kenny still decided to go.
Then why did they let him go? I thought KTM had the 'right of first refusal' which means they could've forced him to stay as long as they matched any incoming offers.

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gharmon 9/3/2014 4:29am
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dennis2611 wrote:
I don't think KTM has any money problems [img]http://www.motocrossplanet.eu/1ktm.jpg[/img]
I don't think KTM has any money problems

Where do you guys find this stuff. I can never come up with these results when I search. With everyone always talking about how great KTM is doing you almost think they top the list. Exactly where do they sit worldwide? I assume Honda is still a comfortable number 1? Do they also sell the most dirt bikes still? Just curious.
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jasen.bougher 9/3/2014 4:52am
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Fearo wrote:
Didn't Decoster say on Pulp they tried everything to keep him, but couldn't match the casino money?
danman wrote:
No, he said that KTM matched the offer and Kenny still decided to go.
Fearo wrote:
Then why did they let him go? I thought KTM had the 'right of first refusal' which means they could've forced him to stay as long...
Then why did they let him go? I thought KTM had the 'right of first refusal' which means they could've forced him to stay as long as they matched any incoming offers.
Why would you force a guy to stay that doesn't want to be there. Almost everyone of these contracts have right of first refusal and you never hear of it being used
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BobPA 9/3/2014 7:54am
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jasen.bougher wrote:
Ktm's net profit for 2013 just under 50 mill. Compare that with the other manus including Suzukis which was over 1 bill net profit you will...
Ktm's net profit for 2013 just under 50 mill. Compare that with the other manus including Suzukis which was over 1 bill net profit you will see they don't have the money to compete with the japs other than yammie who's had some real bad years financially
Suzuki automotive is not affiliated with their motorcycle division.

In the US anyway.
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markit 9/3/2014 8:11am
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I don't see him winning anything this year (title) on a new team new bike and basic a new team to the pit's (I know it's RCs team) but this team has no exp unlike the days of a top rider going from Kawa to honda or honda to Yam....... Hope its not a bad move for him. Factory stuff don't mean squat if the teams out of order or not as in order as a top level team. Hope i'm wrong I like K Roc
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GuyB 9/3/2014 8:24am
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markit wrote:
I don't see him winning anything this year (title) on a new team new bike and basic a new team to the pit's (I know it's...
I don't see him winning anything this year (title) on a new team new bike and basic a new team to the pit's (I know it's RCs team) but this team has no exp unlike the days of a top rider going from Kawa to honda or honda to Yam....... Hope its not a bad move for him. Factory stuff don't mean squat if the teams out of order or not as in order as a top level team. Hope i'm wrong I like K Roc
How about giving us some background on a few of the guys that work with the team. For example:

Mark Johnson
Kyle Bentley
Kaipo Chung
Sergio Avanto
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markit wrote:
I don't see him winning anything this year (title) on a new team new bike and basic a new team to the pit's (I know it's...
I don't see him winning anything this year (title) on a new team new bike and basic a new team to the pit's (I know it's RCs team) but this team has no exp unlike the days of a top rider going from Kawa to honda or honda to Yam....... Hope its not a bad move for him. Factory stuff don't mean squat if the teams out of order or not as in order as a top level team. Hope i'm wrong I like K Roc
GuyB wrote:
How about giving us some background on a few of the guys that work with the team. For example: Mark Johnson Kyle Bentley Kaipo Chung Sergio...
How about giving us some background on a few of the guys that work with the team. For example:

Mark Johnson
Kyle Bentley
Kaipo Chung
Sergio Avanto
I was thinking the same thing. To say the RCH team has no experience is definitely not true. There are some very talented people working there.
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jasen.bougher 9/3/2014 10:37am
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jasen.bougher wrote:
Ktm's net profit for 2013 just under 50 mill. Compare that with the other manus including Suzukis which was over 1 bill net profit you will...
Ktm's net profit for 2013 just under 50 mill. Compare that with the other manus including Suzukis which was over 1 bill net profit you will see they don't have the money to compete with the japs other than yammie who's had some real bad years financially
BobPA wrote:
Suzuki automotive is not affiliated with their motorcycle division.

In the US anyway.
Yes it is as usual you have bad info
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MxKing809 9/3/2014 10:45am
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markit wrote:
I don't see him winning anything this year (title) on a new team new bike and basic a new team to the pit's (I know it's...
I don't see him winning anything this year (title) on a new team new bike and basic a new team to the pit's (I know it's RCs team) but this team has no exp unlike the days of a top rider going from Kawa to honda or honda to Yam....... Hope its not a bad move for him. Factory stuff don't mean squat if the teams out of order or not as in order as a top level team. Hope i'm wrong I like K Roc
GuyB wrote:
How about giving us some background on a few of the guys that work with the team. For example: Mark Johnson Kyle Bentley Kaipo Chung Sergio...
How about giving us some background on a few of the guys that work with the team. For example:

Mark Johnson
Kyle Bentley
Kaipo Chung
Sergio Avanto
kwhite199 wrote:
I was thinking the same thing. To say the RCH team has no experience is definitely not true. There are some very talented people working there.
Rivalled only by TwoTwo. That team is completely stacked when it comes to team talent. Didn't they just hire Berluti also? Woohoo
muGz.147 9/3/2014 10:48am
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Vitalians?
Vitalitarians?
Vitamins?
Vitallegiants?
Vitalaskans? (For the northern folks of course)

Carry on...
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muGz.147 wrote:
Vitalians?
Vitalitarians?
Vitamins?
Vitallegiants?
Vitalaskans? (For the northern folks of course)

Carry on...
I prefer they'd be Veinsteins. Wink
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markit wrote:
I don't see him winning anything this year (title) on a new team new bike and basic a new team to the pit's (I know it's...
I don't see him winning anything this year (title) on a new team new bike and basic a new team to the pit's (I know it's RCs team) but this team has no exp unlike the days of a top rider going from Kawa to honda or honda to Yam....... Hope its not a bad move for him. Factory stuff don't mean squat if the teams out of order or not as in order as a top level team. Hope i'm wrong I like K Roc
GuyB wrote:
How about giving us some background on a few of the guys that work with the team. For example: Mark Johnson Kyle Bentley Kaipo Chung Sergio...
How about giving us some background on a few of the guys that work with the team. For example:

Mark Johnson
Kyle Bentley
Kaipo Chung
Sergio Avanto
Exactly, these guys know how to win and will win.
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RMT 9/3/2014 11:16am
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jasen.bougher wrote:
Ktm's net profit for 2013 just under 50 mill. Compare that with the other manus including Suzukis which was over 1 bill net profit you will...
Ktm's net profit for 2013 just under 50 mill. Compare that with the other manus including Suzukis which was over 1 bill net profit you will see they don't have the money to compete with the japs other than yammie who's had some real bad years financially
BobPA wrote:
Suzuki automotive is not affiliated with their motorcycle division.

In the US anyway.
Suzuki motor corp. owns Suzuki motors of America so your statement makes no sense.

The guy writing checks for the US based Suzuki MX teams is employed by Suzuki Motor Corp. in Japan. He gets to use the money they make from selling cars (and they make a lot).

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