Everts vs Carmichael

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yeah i know, im a shit stirrer, i just wanna see some arguments and i knew this topic would get people going.
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rockcrawlerdude 10/7/2008 10:12pm
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outdoors RC all the way ..... now everts and bubba would be a closer match...
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urbanlift707 10/7/2008 10:18pm
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james would smoke them both
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J.Saunders144 10/7/2008 10:20pm
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rc over everts no question, bubba over everts unless bubba takes himelf out
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FastEddy 10/7/2008 11:24pm
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Everts needs to come over and do step-up at the X-Games to settle this once and for all.

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Jefro98 10/8/2008 3:37am
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RC was the fastest when the two raced eachother no doubt. Nobody will argue with that. Not even Everts himself.


BUT,


Conversation about the fastest Everts ever came up at Lierop and we agreed it must have been '95, '96,'97 when Everts was about 24 years old that he was at his peak speedwise.


We'll never know but I would love to see the Everts from his Honda 2 stroke days ('96 - '97) agianst RC in his Honda 2 stroke days ('02-'03).


Not too sure about RC winning that one, au contraire.



Game on..
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john1753 wrote:
yeah i know, im a shit stirrer, i just wanna see some arguments and i knew this topic would get people going.
You are not a shit stirrer, unless the shit is in your brains. Normally I do not insult, but when a quandary such as yours could be answered by simply looking at a results page you need not think yourself a rabblerouser, just someone who cannot interpret a race results page.
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Jefro98 wrote:
RC was the fastest when the two raced eachother no doubt. Nobody will argue with that. Not even Everts himself. BUT, Conversation about the fastest Everts...
RC was the fastest when the two raced eachother no doubt. Nobody will argue with that. Not even Everts himself.


BUT,


Conversation about the fastest Everts ever came up at Lierop and we agreed it must have been '95, '96,'97 when Everts was about 24 years old that he was at his peak speedwise.


We'll never know but I would love to see the Everts from his Honda 2 stroke days ('96 - '97) agianst RC in his Honda 2 stroke days ('02-'03).


Not too sure about RC winning that one, au contraire.



Game on..
Exactly

You've hit the nail on the head.

No one could beat Everts in his prime, just like no one could beat RC in his prime.

Throw in Johhny O or Smets or even JBS

It's very rare nowadays to see the top rider compete at his peak against his opposition at their peak.

Reed vs RC in SX is as close as we've seen for years

Maybe Fro vs MC
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jamma10 10/8/2008 6:02am
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Everts may have an effortless style with an incredible record, but Carmichael's the most complete rider that's ever lived in my opinion.
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mccread 10/8/2008 6:44am
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RC couldn't have done wahat Everts has done in the way he did it but like wise Everts couldn't have done waht RC did. They are both the greatest of their own series Everts in World MX RC in US MX/SX and it should be left at that.

I dont believe they races each other in their prime and RC never came to Leirop or rode matterly... so its hard to gauge. On a sand track like Lierop I can't see RC beating Everts if he was 33 or 23 .tho On a US track RC would have won over a neutral World GP series Everts thinks he could have beaten him but it would have been tight.

Everts has more MXDN wins tho and thats the only series they both competed in Wink
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mccread 10/8/2008 6:52am
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Jefro98 wrote:
RC was the fastest when the two raced eachother no doubt. Nobody will argue with that. Not even Everts himself. BUT, Conversation about the fastest Everts...
RC was the fastest when the two raced eachother no doubt. Nobody will argue with that. Not even Everts himself.


BUT,


Conversation about the fastest Everts ever came up at Lierop and we agreed it must have been '95, '96,'97 when Everts was about 24 years old that he was at his peak speedwise.


We'll never know but I would love to see the Everts from his Honda 2 stroke days ('96 - '97) agianst RC in his Honda 2 stroke days ('02-'03).


Not too sure about RC winning that one, au contraire.



Game on..
do you remember Everts in 98 at Balen Jefro? I dont think anyone in world could touch him then in sand I think Tortelli was over 30sec back and that was seb in his prime the year he won the title and smets got lapped riding a 250 ktm! i could watch Everts in sand forever no-one rides a bike like it. Stefan whould really have 3 more world title too imo 98 against seb, 03 MX2 he didn't do all the round and 94 against albee!
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mccread 10/8/2008 6:55am
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the same could be said for RC v MC in supercross RC took two titles off Jeremy so does that mean he is better? No, I still think MC is the best supercross rider ever.
Matt Fisher 10/8/2008 8:29am
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jamma10 wrote:
Everts may have an effortless style with an incredible record, but Carmichael's the most complete rider that's ever lived in my opinion.
While I don't think Everts would beat RC in any MX championship, maybe my idea of a more "complete" rider is different. Stefan's overall will at the ISDE makes him a more "complete rider", imo.

If you're considering only MX/SX, then I'd have to agree with you.
rockcrawlerdude 10/8/2008 8:44am
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if your including off road david knight is a bad mofo as well , juts not sure of his MX skillz
r_outsider 10/8/2008 8:47am
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mccread wrote:
RC couldn't have done wahat Everts has done in the way he did it but like wise Everts couldn't have done waht RC did. They are...
RC couldn't have done wahat Everts has done in the way he did it but like wise Everts couldn't have done waht RC did. They are both the greatest of their own series Everts in World MX RC in US MX/SX and it should be left at that.

I dont believe they races each other in their prime and RC never came to Leirop or rode matterly... so its hard to gauge. On a sand track like Lierop I can't see RC beating Everts if he was 33 or 23 .tho On a US track RC would have won over a neutral World GP series Everts thinks he could have beaten him but it would have been tight.

Everts has more MXDN wins tho and thats the only series they both competed in Wink
RC on a sand track? He's a monster in the sand! The guy's from Florida. That's all they have there. And then there's this place called Southwick...
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RC on a sand track? He's a monster in the sand! The guy's from Florida. That's all they have there. And then there's this place called...
RC on a sand track? He's a monster in the sand! The guy's from Florida. That's all they have there. And then there's this place called Southwick...
Here we go again....

First off all let me say that i don't care who would've won it if they were to ride an entire series against eachother. They were both superman and let just keep it at that.

And secondly... i'm so tired of the Florida sand thing. The sand in Florida is nothing compared the sand tracks in Holland and north-east Belgium (Lommel and Lierop for instance). I have seen RC ride in Lommel back in 2003. It was only practise but ok. RC was flying but if he was to race against Stefan Everts on that track no way in the world he would've won it. Very strange that after that practise session team USA decided not to enter the 2004 MxdN in Lierop.

If you don't believe me that's fine with me. Just ask some guys that have raced on both sides of the pond. Chuck Sun, Sean Hamblin or Zach Osborne for instance. Or maybe Jacob Saylor who wrote a great blog about the GP series on his website : Jacobs Blog
These were his exact words : "The legendary sand tracks put to shame anything I have contested before. The many months in Florida riding places like Croom and Dade City could hardly prepare you for bottomless sands of Lommel or Leirop. "
This was posted here before so i hoped you guys would finally realize now what tracks teh FIM hosts their GP's on. It's a pety that the AMA avoids tracks like that.
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For years I held up the Stefan Everts flag trying to educate the ignorant fools who could bash such a great rider, and only got flamed by the usual idiots.

Once he schooled Bubba, the critics turned into crickets in the night….lol



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brakkeman_ 10/8/2008 11:15am
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this is what should happen in presence of those riders...

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mccread wrote:
the same could be said for RC v MC in supercross RC took two titles off Jeremy so does that mean he is better? No, I...
the same could be said for RC v MC in supercross RC took two titles off Jeremy so does that mean he is better? No, I still think MC is the best supercross rider ever.
bubba could take mc any year of his career on his 250 with bubba on his 125 smoker

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CalimeroFan 10/8/2008 12:52pm
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Stefan got beaten by Ricky in his own country, case closed. But he did whoop Stewarts ass in England, don't forget that.
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Jefro98 wrote:
RC was the fastest when the two raced eachother no doubt. Nobody will argue with that. Not even Everts himself. BUT, Conversation about the fastest Everts...
RC was the fastest when the two raced eachother no doubt. Nobody will argue with that. Not even Everts himself.


BUT,


Conversation about the fastest Everts ever came up at Lierop and we agreed it must have been '95, '96,'97 when Everts was about 24 years old that he was at his peak speedwise.


We'll never know but I would love to see the Everts from his Honda 2 stroke days ('96 - '97) agianst RC in his Honda 2 stroke days ('02-'03).


Not too sure about RC winning that one, au contraire.



Game on..
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Exactly You've hit the nail on the head. No one could beat Everts in his prime, just like no one could beat RC in his prime...
Exactly

You've hit the nail on the head.

No one could beat Everts in his prime, just like no one could beat RC in his prime.

Throw in Johhny O or Smets or even JBS

It's very rare nowadays to see the top rider compete at his peak against his opposition at their peak.

Reed vs RC in SX is as close as we've seen for years

Maybe Fro vs MC
JS vs RC for three years was pretty close to both at their prime.
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Jefro98 wrote:
RC was the fastest when the two raced eachother no doubt. Nobody will argue with that. Not even Everts himself. BUT, Conversation about the fastest Everts...
RC was the fastest when the two raced eachother no doubt. Nobody will argue with that. Not even Everts himself.


BUT,


Conversation about the fastest Everts ever came up at Lierop and we agreed it must have been '95, '96,'97 when Everts was about 24 years old that he was at his peak speedwise.


We'll never know but I would love to see the Everts from his Honda 2 stroke days ('96 - '97) agianst RC in his Honda 2 stroke days ('02-'03).


Not too sure about RC winning that one, au contraire.



Game on..
Loose wrote:
Exactly You've hit the nail on the head. No one could beat Everts in his prime, just like no one could beat RC in his prime...
Exactly

You've hit the nail on the head.

No one could beat Everts in his prime, just like no one could beat RC in his prime.

Throw in Johhny O or Smets or even JBS

It's very rare nowadays to see the top rider compete at his peak against his opposition at their peak.

Reed vs RC in SX is as close as we've seen for years

Maybe Fro vs MC
prozach wrote:
JS vs RC for three years was pretty close to both at their prime.
Everts was winning world championships in convincing fashion when RC beat him. If you consider winning a world championship to be sub par I really have no idea what you could use as a gauge. One looses prime when one stops winning and when Everts retired he was in fact still winning, maybe others just got faster that raced against him.
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When they have met, RC almost always came out much faster. There is a good reason for that -- RC was the faster and better rider. No one could beat RC and SE was no different.
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Tortelli and Alby had his number.
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slowvet wrote:
Tortelli and Alby had his number.
No one had RC's number other than for a race here or there.
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slowvet wrote:
Tortelli and Alby had his number.
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No one had RC's number other than for a race here or there.
My bad, I forgot to say Everts lost a couple of championships to Tortelli and Albertyn. Did Shmidtt ever beat Everts?
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slowvet wrote:
Tortelli and Alby had his number.
Everts beat totrelli 2 out of 3 seasons! and lost in 98 because of a Disqualification other wise he would have won that too, he also would have beaten Albee in 94 but broke a collarbone... ignorance is a terrible thing for some of you americans.
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The Hurricane wrote:
No one had RC's number other than for a race here or there.
I'd agree with that.

On any given day, someone might beat RC (though it was rare)...but, when it came to winning championships, RC was the man more than any other.
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slowvet 10/9/2008 8:03am
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slowvet wrote:
Tortelli and Alby had his number.
mccread wrote:
Everts beat totrelli 2 out of 3 seasons! and lost in 98 because of a Disqualification other wise he would have won that too, he also...
Everts beat totrelli 2 out of 3 seasons! and lost in 98 because of a Disqualification other wise he would have won that too, he also would have beaten Albee in 94 but broke a collarbone... ignorance is a terrible thing for some of you americans.
DQ, broken collar bone, inferior bike, cheating, whatever, he still lost. I'd bet Everts the brilliant rider, championship winning legend would appreciate it if kooks like you would kindly remove your lips from his nut sack.
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ayearinmx 10/9/2008 8:39am
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didn't Everts lap RC at Foxhills one time??
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joe101uk 10/9/2008 3:42pm
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john1753 wrote:
yeah i know, im a shit stirrer, i just wanna see some arguments and i knew this topic would get people going.
hell yeh he did ! i think everts lapped everybody that day and im pretty sure if you people on here can find some videos of the hill at foxhills your gonna see everts riding over bikes that r just stuck in the mud and in one of the shots on my stefan everts DVD RC waits a lap for everts to come round and tries following his line up the hill and falls off and im not sure if he even got back on his bike after that.
but still there both the greatest of all time in the own different ways.

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