Aldon Bakers newest client?

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ocscottie 8/15/2014 8:07pm
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Monte122 wrote:
RV not training with Aldon any more?
Nope
StartedTooLate 8/15/2014 8:11pm
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davistld01 wrote:
I'd hate to see RD get to an overtraining situation. That might hurt more than help.
Where does this perception come from that Aldon, widely regarded as the best trainer out there, over trains his clients, and does not understand recovery? That is BS. It is well documented that when Aldon started training RC, he had him reduce the amount of training and intensity because RC was doing too much and not getting enough time to recover. That KR is breaking down at the end of the season (just like he did last year...pre-Aldon) says more about KRs own limitations (and youth perhaps) than about Aldon's methods.

Good move by RD. The real value a guy like AB brings is during the short off season. That is where these guys REALLY put in the hard work and bust their asses.
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Old-Man 8/15/2014 8:40pm
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What ever the Majority are with I'm good with
Because God himself will strike me down if I ever go against the grain on Vital.

With all the social networking that is today it's no wonder a person will ever get a fare trial...God help me if I ever confront another driver/Rider for Fuking me over and he drives at me hard on the gas and I don't have time to get out of his way.


And yes Aldon is the shit, anyone that whats to win ( maybe not Weimer) is on his program.
I can see two teammates that are competitive having the same Trainer, just different times of training I guess but even better...same time. Competition creates a better product.
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KlootZak 8/15/2014 8:45pm
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Monte122 wrote:
RV not training with Aldon any more?
ocscottie wrote:
Nope
That definitely seals it. RV is going to retire or go to the GPs and I'm betting for the first time since I heard the rumours that he is going to ride the GPs. Never thought it would be actually possible but I think it's 80% chance he will ride the GPs. Rattray also left Ice One team ...

Damn shame though, I would love RV having a go at another Supercross title (5-in-a-row). He definitely killed it again this year and he would still be the favourite next year ...

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Jrewing 8/15/2014 8:47pm
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Kyriazis298 wrote:
I hope dungey doesent get overworked and then gets bored of this sport...
That's what Aldon brings.. Burnout, albeit after championships
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plowboy 8/15/2014 9:39pm
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I'm not anywhere near knowledgeable of how much success Baker can take credit for. I do wonder if he is the main reason for Kenny stepping it up this season or if all the time he has spent practicing with RV has more to do with it. To paraphrase Forrest Gump, "Maybe both are happening at the same time". I honestly don't know if Dungey needs any help. Many who believe that if a rider isn't dominating then he's just a turd....will disagree.
overthebars39 8/15/2014 9:56pm
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He probably hit a ceiling and want's to raise that ceiling a bit more. Baker has an insane resume to prove he could help Dungey achieving that.
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jeffro503 8/15/2014 10:03pm
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davistld01 wrote:
I'd hate to see RD get to an overtraining situation. That might hurt more than help.
StartedTooLate wrote:
Where does this perception come from that Aldon, widely regarded as the best trainer out there, over trains his clients, and does not understand recovery? That...
Where does this perception come from that Aldon, widely regarded as the best trainer out there, over trains his clients, and does not understand recovery? That is BS. It is well documented that when Aldon started training RC, he had him reduce the amount of training and intensity because RC was doing too much and not getting enough time to recover. That KR is breaking down at the end of the season (just like he did last year...pre-Aldon) says more about KRs own limitations (and youth perhaps) than about Aldon's methods.

Good move by RD. The real value a guy like AB brings is during the short off season. That is where these guys REALLY put in the hard work and bust their asses.
One thing you have to remember here.....is Kenny will get stronger and stronger each year. Aldon once told RV.....give me three years until we see you at your peak. Kenny faded on the 250F.....which is NOT like fading on a 450 at 20min in. I'll bet that come SX he won't be breaking a sweat and when the 2015 nationals come....he'll be pushing hard the full 30min +2.

With RD though....I don't know how long RD plans on racing , but if he is just now getting a chance to work with Aldon....and Aldon wants 3yrs? Jesus Christ.....Ryan will be like the friggin' terminator out there!
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jeffro503 8/15/2014 10:05pm
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Monte122 wrote:
RV not training with Aldon any more?
ocscottie wrote:
Nope
KlootZak wrote:
That definitely seals it. RV is going to retire or go to the GPs and I'm betting for the first time since I heard the rumours...
That definitely seals it. RV is going to retire or go to the GPs and I'm betting for the first time since I heard the rumours that he is going to ride the GPs. Never thought it would be actually possible but I think it's 80% chance he will ride the GPs. Rattray also left Ice One team ...

Damn shame though, I would love RV having a go at another Supercross title (5-in-a-row). He definitely killed it again this year and he would still be the favourite next year ...
Just because RV isn't using Aldon....does NOT mean he isn't going to race any more. James did it. JW12 did it. Maybe RV wants a slightly different approach? Maybe he misses some of the fun that moto brings him? Whistling
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Kyle978 8/15/2014 10:07pm
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Man, if this happens I'm going to be surprised. Just like I'll be surprised if the RV to Europe deal goes through. Lot's of shake-ups for 2015!
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plowboy 8/15/2014 10:09pm
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overthebars39 wrote:
He probably hit a ceiling and want's to raise that ceiling a bit more. Baker has an insane resume to prove he could help Dungey achieving...
He probably hit a ceiling and want's to raise that ceiling a bit more. Baker has an insane resume to prove he could help Dungey achieving that.
I really hope that it's that simple. I'd just hate to see someone to convince him to push past his limits and get him injured. He has had a fairly injury free career so far and had what most would consider a successful run. I wish him continued success whatever he does. Seems like a straight ahead dude.
overthebars39 8/15/2014 10:53pm
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plowboy wrote:
I really hope that it's that simple. I'd just hate to see someone to convince him to push past his limits and get him injured. He...
I really hope that it's that simple. I'd just hate to see someone to convince him to push past his limits and get him injured. He has had a fairly injury free career so far and had what most would consider a successful run. I wish him continued success whatever he does. Seems like a straight ahead dude.
From the different interviews i've read of him and mainly what Decoster always said: Dungey's always looking for that little extra. Asking advice where he can improve and how to do it. My guess is he's looking for something and he's hoping Aldon has the answer for it.

People expect big things from Dungey and that's not abnormal since he aced his first 450 season, in both outdoors and sx.
StartedTooLate 8/15/2014 10:56pm
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ocscottie wrote:
Nope
KlootZak wrote:
That definitely seals it. RV is going to retire or go to the GPs and I'm betting for the first time since I heard the rumours...
That definitely seals it. RV is going to retire or go to the GPs and I'm betting for the first time since I heard the rumours that he is going to ride the GPs. Never thought it would be actually possible but I think it's 80% chance he will ride the GPs. Rattray also left Ice One team ...

Damn shame though, I would love RV having a go at another Supercross title (5-in-a-row). He definitely killed it again this year and he would still be the favourite next year ...
jeffro503 wrote:
Just because RV isn't using Aldon....does NOT mean he isn't going to race any more. James did it. JW12 did it. Maybe RV wants a slightly...
Just because RV isn't using Aldon....does NOT mean he isn't going to race any more. James did it. JW12 did it. Maybe RV wants a slightly different approach? Maybe he misses some of the fun that moto brings him? Whistling
Wishful thinking I am afraid. If it were just parting with Aldon, I might believe it. But he tells everyone multiple times he will race the nationals...then goes in for surgery, which word is...he will not be recovered from in time for SX. They he sells his FL place. Then he parts ways with Aldon. Too many moves and changes to be continuing with the same old same old.
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Ken Roczen & RD5 doesnt get along too well do they?
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I really dont see aldon being able to give any sort of edge to RD. Nobody's ever denied ryans fitness levels, especially if he wasnt fluffing his heart rate when georgia asked him. He's been regarded as one of the most in-shape people in the sport for soo long..without aldon. The only benefit i see coming from dungey training with aldon is having him in his ear nonstop with his "you are a champion and deserve nothing less" drill instructor attitude. Even then i really dont think dungey needs any lessons in discipline. Maybe a change of attitude or ego, but aldon's not really necessary for that.

Im not against it though, I dont see it hurting anything. RV always hated the training aspect whereas it doesnt seem to phase RD as much.

And if cianciarulo gets to train with KR and RV and then KR and RD..both with aldon..you might as well hand him a championship plate every series he finishes not injured.
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fanger 8/16/2014 2:03am
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discomszyco wrote:
I really dont see aldon being able to give any sort of edge to RD. Nobody's ever denied ryans fitness levels, especially if he wasnt fluffing...
I really dont see aldon being able to give any sort of edge to RD. Nobody's ever denied ryans fitness levels, especially if he wasnt fluffing his heart rate when georgia asked him. He's been regarded as one of the most in-shape people in the sport for soo long..without aldon. The only benefit i see coming from dungey training with aldon is having him in his ear nonstop with his "you are a champion and deserve nothing less" drill instructor attitude. Even then i really dont think dungey needs any lessons in discipline. Maybe a change of attitude or ego, but aldon's not really necessary for that.

Im not against it though, I dont see it hurting anything. RV always hated the training aspect whereas it doesnt seem to phase RD as much.

And if cianciarulo gets to train with KR and RV and then KR and RD..both with aldon..you might as well hand him a championship plate every series he finishes not injured.
Anyone else read quotes of aldon baker in a south african voice?
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Jrewing 8/16/2014 4:41am
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fanger wrote:
Anyone else read quotes of aldon baker in a south african voice?
Yep.

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Mallet 8/16/2014 5:05am
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Ryan does have world class fitness, but you can always find room for improvement. The human body has 3 energy producing systems. I would focus a bit more attention on the ATP-PC system to improve his explosiveness. It would help his supercross performance and the vulnerability he has shown on the first lap of races.
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colonel 8/16/2014 5:24am
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The way I read it it is not a confirmed definite thing, its what he thinks is going to happen. To me that is far from a done deal lets stamp that shit.
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colonel 8/16/2014 5:25am
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fanger wrote:
Anyone else read quotes of aldon baker in a south african voice?
How would that sound to you?
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sbyers 8/16/2014 5:51am
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maybe ktm has a clause in the contract saying , no outside training to riders not on ktm
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davistld01 8/16/2014 6:51am
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ocscottie wrote:
Nope
KlootZak wrote:
That definitely seals it. RV is going to retire or go to the GPs and I'm betting for the first time since I heard the rumours...
That definitely seals it. RV is going to retire or go to the GPs and I'm betting for the first time since I heard the rumours that he is going to ride the GPs. Never thought it would be actually possible but I think it's 80% chance he will ride the GPs. Rattray also left Ice One team ...

Damn shame though, I would love RV having a go at another Supercross title (5-in-a-row). He definitely killed it again this year and he would still be the favourite next year ...
jeffro503 wrote:
Just because RV isn't using Aldon....does NOT mean he isn't going to race any more. James did it. JW12 did it. Maybe RV wants a slightly...
Just because RV isn't using Aldon....does NOT mean he isn't going to race any more. James did it. JW12 did it. Maybe RV wants a slightly different approach? Maybe he misses some of the fun that moto brings him? Whistling
Maybe RV dropped Aldon becase Aldon wasn't too keen on traveling back and forth from the GP circuit. This way he keeps all his eggs in one basket...and one closer to him.
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Gringoe 8/16/2014 7:14am
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ocscottie wrote:
Nope
KlootZak wrote:
That definitely seals it. RV is going to retire or go to the GPs and I'm betting for the first time since I heard the rumours...
That definitely seals it. RV is going to retire or go to the GPs and I'm betting for the first time since I heard the rumours that he is going to ride the GPs. Never thought it would be actually possible but I think it's 80% chance he will ride the GPs. Rattray also left Ice One team ...

Damn shame though, I would love RV having a go at another Supercross title (5-in-a-row). He definitely killed it again this year and he would still be the favourite next year ...
jeffro503 wrote:
Just because RV isn't using Aldon....does NOT mean he isn't going to race any more. James did it. JW12 did it. Maybe RV wants a slightly...
Just because RV isn't using Aldon....does NOT mean he isn't going to race any more. James did it. JW12 did it. Maybe RV wants a slightly different approach? Maybe he misses some of the fun that moto brings him? Whistling
He will not race in the us again. I told you this, then jt$ said the same thing right after it.

Rv not using Aldon is just another piece of evidence to support rv to euro.

It's either Europe or retire.
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Spartacus 8/16/2014 10:49am
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All you guys here that have trained with Aldon, could you get me a copy of his yearly training cycle plan. I'm sure you have it handy and I want to check it out as throughly as you all have.
dirtworldmx 8/16/2014 8:41pm
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Dungey needs Jeff Stanton.......not Aldon Baker.
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mark_swart 8/17/2014 1:21pm
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ocscottie wrote:
btw: i think most are missing the point that i didnt elaborate on in my original post, just how weird will it be w/ KROC and...
btw: i think most are missing the point that i didnt elaborate on in my original post, just how weird will it be w/ KROC and Dunge working together be? Especially when they are in another title fight?

I guess after this year they will be use to it?
Completely agree -- it seems weird for two of the biggest rivals to be training together. I just read that KR and Dungey pretty much don't talk at the races and each keep to their own motorhome. I can only imagine the dynamic of being locked into a championship fight with a training partner.

I wondered the same thing when RV and KR started training together, and it would have been really interesting to see how all of that would have worked out if RV had actually run the nationals this year.
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ocscottie wrote:
btw: i think most are missing the point that i didnt elaborate on in my original post, just how weird will it be w/ KROC and...
btw: i think most are missing the point that i didnt elaborate on in my original post, just how weird will it be w/ KROC and Dunge working together be? Especially when they are in another title fight?

I guess after this year they will be use to it?
mark_swart wrote:
Completely agree -- it seems weird for two of the biggest rivals to be training together. I just read that KR and Dungey pretty much don't...
Completely agree -- it seems weird for two of the biggest rivals to be training together. I just read that KR and Dungey pretty much don't talk at the races and each keep to their own motorhome. I can only imagine the dynamic of being locked into a championship fight with a training partner.

I wondered the same thing when RV and KR started training together, and it would have been really interesting to see how all of that would have worked out if RV had actually run the nationals this year.
This doesn't surprise. I would bet if KROC were on RV's team, it would be the same. Race day differs from training day.
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ocscottie wrote:
btw: i think most are missing the point that i didnt elaborate on in my original post, just how weird will it be w/ KROC and...
btw: i think most are missing the point that i didnt elaborate on in my original post, just how weird will it be w/ KROC and Dunge working together be? Especially when they are in another title fight?

I guess after this year they will be use to it?
mark_swart wrote:
Completely agree -- it seems weird for two of the biggest rivals to be training together. I just read that KR and Dungey pretty much don't...
Completely agree -- it seems weird for two of the biggest rivals to be training together. I just read that KR and Dungey pretty much don't talk at the races and each keep to their own motorhome. I can only imagine the dynamic of being locked into a championship fight with a training partner.

I wondered the same thing when RV and KR started training together, and it would have been really interesting to see how all of that would have worked out if RV had actually run the nationals this year.
That's cuz they are getting IV's, duh! Just making a joke, guys. don't get bent out of shape.

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