Excellent discussion point put forward by Matthes, throw it out there for opinions/thoughts

ehr400 wrote:

Another Euro in panic mode because Kenny may lose the championship and trying to grasp for any conspiracy theories on "making sure" he doesn't win. LMAO...

Another Euro in panic mode because Kenny may lose the championship and trying to grasp for any conspiracy theories on "making sure" he doesn't win. LMAO. Roger is the most professional guy out there, no way he would ever do such a thing.

Mr. Knobby wrote:

So Matthes is a Euro? Here is the inevitability of a Vital thread. The lesson: don't bother posting anything you think might make for interesting discussion...

So Matthes is a Euro?
Here is the inevitability of a Vital thread.
The lesson: don't bother posting anything you think might make for interesting discussion, some jingoistic twerp will react like this.

ehr400 wrote:

Didnt say matthes there Canuck. I dont know whats worse, the Eurotard contention stroking off JH84 and AC222 every second or Canucks getting all butt hurt...

Didnt say matthes there Canuck. I dont know whats worse, the Eurotard contention stroking off JH84 and AC222 every second or Canucks getting all butt hurt and misconstruing the irony of what I initially said. It was a Australian who is the OP, I just was making a joke of how the Euro GP vs. AMA conspiracy chest thumpers will say thats why Kenny is losing or does in fact lose the championship. But of course you had to show your superior large forehead and beady little eyes. Good job there Bubbles.

Onepostwonder wrote:

It's Roger f'en DeCoster. The godfather of motocross. The Man. The guy who insists the USA send a team to the DesNations every year. He is...

It's Roger f'en DeCoster. The godfather of motocross. The Man. The guy who insists the USA send a team to the DesNations every year. He is a key reason for the explosion of KTM's success in the USA. Only a complete idiot would question the integrity of that man.
Riders come and go. Roczen is just yet another.

Mouse153 wrote:

That's ridiculous. KTM still wins the championship and that's what is important.

JB 19 wrote:

You don't think they would like to sport the #1 next year instead of seeing it on a Suzuki?

C'mon maaaan.......

davistld01 wrote:

Ryan Dungey has always been the team captain at Team KTM...and some argue that the very fact that Roczen will always be in his shadow as...

Ryan Dungey has always been the team captain at Team KTM...and some argue that the very fact that Roczen will always be in his shadow as long as he's on the same team is a huge motivator for Kenny to jump to RCH & Suzuki. Dungey came to KTM largely because of Roger & Ian being there...two people he trusted, had a great relationship with, and saw as an integral part of his success at Team Suzuki. Soooo...I'm sure there is still some kind of almost mentor/mentee relationship between Dungey and DeCoster that causes Roger to favor Ryan if only just a little. That's pretty much human nature.

That said, Roger is the consumate professional. I don't see him favoring Ryan Dungey to the point where he would remove any chance for Ken Roczen to win the title, no matter what team he's signed with next year. Just like Mitch Payton said in a recent interview that he respects Dean Wilson so much, even though he knows he's signed with KTM for 2015. Mitch would never favor another rider with better parts or support over Deano.

circus wrote:

I agree with you 100% about Roger not being biased towards a rider, but i have to disagree with you 100% with Mitch saying he doesn't...

I agree with you 100% about Roger not being biased towards a rider, but i have to disagree with you 100% with Mitch saying he doesn't favor riders. Think back to 2005 with Mike Brown using Pro Circuit parts and the mysterious reason why Brownies bike was slower and slower. I still have the head that we used that year with the valve seats leaking terribly. When large sponsorship dollars are on the line, people change quickly.

davistld01 wrote:

Ryan Dungey has always been the team captain at Team KTM...and some argue that the very fact that Roczen will always be in his shadow as...

Ryan Dungey has always been the team captain at Team KTM...and some argue that the very fact that Roczen will always be in his shadow as long as he's on the same team is a huge motivator for Kenny to jump to RCH & Suzuki. Dungey came to KTM largely because of Roger & Ian being there...two people he trusted, had a great relationship with, and saw as an integral part of his success at Team Suzuki. Soooo...I'm sure there is still some kind of almost mentor/mentee relationship between Dungey and DeCoster that causes Roger to favor Ryan if only just a little. That's pretty much human nature.

That said, Roger is the consumate professional. I don't see him favoring Ryan Dungey to the point where he would remove any chance for Ken Roczen to win the title, no matter what team he's signed with next year. Just like Mitch Payton said in a recent interview that he respects Dean Wilson so much, even though he knows he's signed with KTM for 2015. Mitch would never favor another rider with better parts or support over Deano.

circus wrote:

I agree with you 100% about Roger not being biased towards a rider, but i have to disagree with you 100% with Mitch saying he doesn't...

I agree with you 100% about Roger not being biased towards a rider, but i have to disagree with you 100% with Mitch saying he doesn't favor riders. Think back to 2005 with Mike Brown using Pro Circuit parts and the mysterious reason why Brownies bike was slower and slower. I still have the head that we used that year with the valve seats leaking terribly. When large sponsorship dollars are on the line, people change quickly.

warrnum wrote:

What if you’re KTM manager Roger DeCoster and you know that Roczen is leaving your team at the end of the year and taking the potential...

What if you’re KTM manager Roger DeCoster and you know that Roczen is leaving your team at the end of the year and taking the potential number one plate over to the RCH Suzuki team? I would never suggest that Roger would do anything to hurt Roczen’s chances of beating Dungey, but there’s got to be a part of him that might go that little extra mile with Dungey to try and help him out.

Again, I’m not suggesting anything underhanded by DeCoster here but I’ve been on plenty of teams as a mechanic where there is one part to go around and a choice has to be made. Or maybe the KTM team decides to test a bit more with Dungey as the series winds down. Or maybe they do nothing and it doesn’t matter anyways – I’m just saying that DeCoster is there to win titles for KTM and if Roczen wins and heads out the door, it’s not a great look.

davistld01 wrote:

It might be just like yesterday to some...but not to me. Remind me, please...was Brown a Team PC rider in 2005, or was he recieving parts...

It might be just like yesterday to some...but not to me. Remind me, please...was Brown a Team PC rider in 2005, or was he recieving parts like you say. Funny that you have the "head that we used that year with the valve seats leaking terribly" if it was a team bike and basically rebuilt from the dirt up in between races because multiple heads would have been used.But if Brownie's bike was a modded stocker, and you had to make do with a single head that was performing less than par...I totally get it. I don't know Mitch personally, and I agree with people changing...but that's a helluva accusation that the team owner would knowingly use faulty parts on one of his riders bikes just so a "favorite" would win. Would a support rider get hand-me-down parts from the team bikes, or get parts that weren't as good as the team bikes were running...maybe, but that he would give a bum part to a team rider to jeapordize his ability to win is messed up!

davistld01 wrote:

It might be just like yesterday to some...but not to me. Remind me, please...was Brown a Team PC rider in 2005, or was he recieving parts...

It might be just like yesterday to some...but not to me. Remind me, please...was Brown a Team PC rider in 2005, or was he recieving parts like you say. Funny that you have the "head that we used that year with the valve seats leaking terribly" if it was a team bike and basically rebuilt from the dirt up in between races because multiple heads would have been used.But if Brownie's bike was a modded stocker, and you had to make do with a single head that was performing less than par...I totally get it. I don't know Mitch personally, and I agree with people changing...but that's a helluva accusation that the team owner would knowingly use faulty parts on one of his riders bikes just so a "favorite" would win. Would a support rider get hand-me-down parts from the team bikes, or get parts that weren't as good as the team bikes were running...maybe, but that he would give a bum part to a team rider to jeapordize his ability to win is messed up!

circus wrote:

I don't want to hijack this thread into a Mike Brown thread but...Not really a team bike so to speak, but he had bought 3 or...

I don't want to hijack this thread into a Mike Brown thread but...Not really a team bike so to speak, but he had bought 3 or 4 engines from Honda and sent them to Pro Circuit with the understanding that after each round the engine was to be removed and sent back so it could be freshened up. Things were going fine until Red Bud, and then he said something isn't right with the engine, so i changed it, and he said that engine was better. Sent both of them back as I was told to do, and the next round the same thing happened, so I changed engines again, but the other one he said felt the same, same being slow. This went on until Washougal when pulled off the 1st moto, and we switched everything, ignition, sprockets, even had Pro Circuit come inspect the top end between motos, nothing was found. So we surprised Pro Circuit and drove down to have it dynoed. We started the year off with 42hp and it dynoed at 36hp. A motor doesn't lose 6hp doing half of a moto. The next round i took the head off and showed Factory Honda, Im not going to say the name who looked at it because im not getting into that, but he called it disgraceful that this was going on,THIS being that the seats were never cut and leaking badly. I have the head now because Brown didn't care if I kept it, its my reminder of what could have been.

PTshox wrote:

I agree with you 100% about Roger not being biased towards a rider, but i have to disagree with you 100% with Mitch saying he doesn't...

I agree with you 100% about Roger not being biased towards a rider, but i have to disagree with you 100% with Mitch saying he doesn't favor riders. Think back to 2005 with Mike Brown using Pro Circuit parts and the mysterious reason why Brownies bike was slower and slower. I still have the head that we used that year with the valve seats leaking terribly. When large sponsorship dollars are on the line, people change quickly.

You telling me you have the head - or one of the heads - PC did for Brown that had a suspect valve job before it was run?
If so that's interesting... I would also be interesting if you had a head from earlier in the year when he was doing well to compare it to. THAT would be fun to flow test both heads... see if there is a delta.

circus wrote:

I don't want to hijack this thread into a Mike Brown thread but...Not really a team bike so to speak, but he had bought 3 or...

I don't want to hijack this thread into a Mike Brown thread but...Not really a team bike so to speak, but he had bought 3 or 4 engines from Honda and sent them to Pro Circuit with the understanding that after each round the engine was to be removed and sent back so it could be freshened up. Things were going fine until Red Bud, and then he said something isn't right with the engine, so i changed it, and he said that engine was better. Sent both of them back as I was told to do, and the next round the same thing happened, so I changed engines again, but the other one he said felt the same, same being slow. This went on until Washougal when pulled off the 1st moto, and we switched everything, ignition, sprockets, even had Pro Circuit come inspect the top end between motos, nothing was found. So we surprised Pro Circuit and drove down to have it dynoed. We started the year off with 42hp and it dynoed at 36hp. A motor doesn't lose 6hp doing half of a moto. The next round i took the head off and showed Factory Honda, Im not going to say the name who looked at it because im not getting into that, but he called it disgraceful that this was going on,THIS being that the seats were never cut and leaking badly. I have the head now because Brown didn't care if I kept it, its my reminder of what could have been.

Mouse153 wrote:

That's ridiculous. KTM still wins the championship and that's what is important.

JB 19 wrote:

You don't think they would like to sport the #1 next year instead of seeing it on a Suzuki?

C'mon maaaan.......

wow123 wrote:

You know hes still secretly a Suzuki man?

Mouse153 wrote:

That's ridiculous. KTM still wins the championship and that's what is important.

JB 19 wrote:

You don't think they would like to sport the #1 next year instead of seeing it on a Suzuki?

C'mon maaaan.......

Mouse153 wrote:

Of course they would but they aren't going jeopardize a championship to do it because KTM gets credit for winning the championship regardless if they run...

Of course they would but they aren't going jeopardize a championship to do it because KTM gets credit for winning the championship regardless if they run the #1 plate the following year or not.

In the end it's about winning championships not about number plates.

lostboy819 wrote:

I know McGrath took the number 1 plate to Suzuki when he switched from Honda but didn't someone else do it also ?

lostboy819 wrote:

I know McGrath took the number 1 plate to Suzuki when he switched from Honda but didn't someone else do it also ?

DownSouth wrote:

RC when going to Honda and Suzuki. The only thing was he never ran the #1 and always kept 4 on the bike.