Why isn't anybody talking about the rumor about the 250 rider that failed the PED test?

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Zracer 7/16/2014 11:56pm
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c_dub wrote:
x 2 burn. Maybe this isn't the thread for this but I'm gonna say it anyway. Why does everyone get so bent out of shape about...
x 2 burn.

Maybe this isn't the thread for this but I'm gonna say it anyway. Why does everyone get so bent out of shape about PED's? Most have probably never even thought, critically, about what the term PED stands for. Sure, they know it means performance enhancing drugs. But usually all thought just stops there. "Hey...look...XYZ is taking PEDS!!!! Cheater!!! Burn him at the stake!" Which is nonsense.

Lots of athletes are willing to, that is voluntarily, take a substance that will enhance their performance in large part for our entertainment. They can enhance the performance of the bike but not the most important aspect, the human body? It seems nonsensical to me. PED's make an athlete perform better! Woohoo! And in moto, the argument could be made that it makes the athlete safer as well. I don't see the problem.

Now if a sanctioning body wants to set forth rules regarding PED's? So be it and they can enforce it with their own testing procedures (none of this WADA and USADA crap). Just like their should be competing sanctioning bodies that allow PED's. Let the athletes and the market decide. It's their body and no other man, women, or child should have any say as to what goes in said body.
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Why not? Lyle Alzado could be used as one example. Do you really want to let people go wide open and take stuff that can harm...
Why not? Lyle Alzado could be used as one example.

Do you really want to let people go wide open and take stuff that can harm them long-term, for short-term gain?

Just from my perspective? It should be about the rider that does the best training and preparation, not the guy who has the best chemist.

I think generally the guy with the most talent should win. Talent doesn't come in a bottle, pill, or syringe.

As for me, I'll for sure test positive for Oreos, a margarita on Thursday evenings, and glucosamine for my joints.

In the case of a positive test, the rider is supposed to be notified first.

I had heard this one last week (a rider mentioned that he'd come to the forum to see if it had hit here yet). I mentioned it to an official. They'd also heard it, but hadn't received any notification from USADA. I think if it's true, they're being particularly careful, because of how oddly the news of James Stewart's positive test landed over here.

GUYB Ive got a 20 that says Cdub has to google to find out who Lyle Alzado was. C Dub Guy wouldnt say it but I will. Clowns like you are part of the problem. Where does it stop? I knew kids in school cycling roids. You want this shit in the 80 class? You want guys hitting the IV between motos?Theyve drawn the line. Its about time.
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c_dub 7/17/2014 12:15am
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Zracer wrote:
GUYB Ive got a 20 that says Cdub has to google to find out who Lyle Alzado was. C Dub Guy wouldnt say it but I...
GUYB Ive got a 20 that says Cdub has to google to find out who Lyle Alzado was. C Dub Guy wouldnt say it but I will. Clowns like you are part of the problem. Where does it stop? I knew kids in school cycling roids. You want this shit in the 80 class? You want guys hitting the IV between motos?Theyve drawn the line. Its about time.
I'm familiar with who Lyle Alzado was.

Ah, yes....it always comes back to the children. "But what about the kids!!!" they scream. We're talking about adults here. Who owns your body?

However if you really want to bring it back to the kids, that is where the parents come in. Hopefully there is a good child/parent relationship in place and the parties would sit down and discuss these things. "Son this is what can happen if you take XYZ" etc. Personal responsibility, accountability. There are consequences (good, bad or otherwise) for your actions. That is all a parent, or really anybody, can do. It will, and should always be, up to the individual to decide.

We can only make do with the knowledge that is put forth to us. And the current climate with regards to PED's allows anything but that.
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Zracer 7/17/2014 12:25am
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So you want little Johnnys dad to sit down with him and decide if he should blood dope so he can qualify for Lorretas? Yeah youre batshit crazy.
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c_dub 7/17/2014 12:33am
7/17/2014 12:33am Edited Date/Time 7/17/2014 12:36am
Again, we're talking about what adults ought be allowed to put in their bodies to enhance their performance. The going off in tangents and personal attacks doesn't really add much to the conversation. But to each their own.

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Dart Board 7/17/2014 12:41am
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They just make the playing field even more uneven. So they should be banned
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What 20 something believes he's going to ever die much less face the consequences of what he does to his body at that age? Add in "adviser s" who have a vested interest in his immediate success but none in his long term well being and tell me again about making a personal decision.
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c_dub wrote:
Again, we're talking about what adults ought be allowed to put in their bodies to enhance their performance. The going off in tangents and personal attacks...
Again, we're talking about what adults ought be allowed to put in their bodies to enhance their performance. The going off in tangents and personal attacks doesn't really add much to the conversation. But to each their own.

What about the adults who don't want to risk the side effects of PEDs?
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rcm406 7/17/2014 3:31am
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So, it looks like pilotdude is looking right about this also just like he was about RV not racing the nationals! He seems to be the best reporter we have!Whistling Laughing

He wrote: Not just Stewart,

My sources are telling me that there are 3 major stars of the sport that are currently not riding the Nationals who also tested positive for banned substances either in Seattle or at Glen Helen, but that no one is talking about it. Not sure if it will be talked about publicly.

Comes from the same source who gave me 100% accurate information about who would and would not be riding the Nationals despite what was being publicly stated at the time
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There was real reason for Millsaps not racing.. other than "hate" of KTM?
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Tell the other board we say hello . . .
hillbilly wrote:
What other board?

Exactly
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c_dub wrote:
Again, we're talking about what adults ought be allowed to put in their bodies to enhance their performance. The going off in tangents and personal attacks...
Again, we're talking about what adults ought be allowed to put in their bodies to enhance their performance. The going off in tangents and personal attacks doesn't really add much to the conversation. But to each their own.

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What about the adults who don't want to risk the side effects of PEDs?
Yep. If you allow PED's it becomes a matter of if you want to compete, you have to take PED's. The PED suggestion is a wash. Either you allow it, all riders take it and the competition is similar to the way it is now. Or you ban them, because they do have long term nasty effects, and you get the same competition. . .
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c_dub wrote:
Again, we're talking about what adults ought be allowed to put in their bodies to enhance their performance. The going off in tangents and personal attacks...
Again, we're talking about what adults ought be allowed to put in their bodies to enhance their performance. The going off in tangents and personal attacks doesn't really add much to the conversation. But to each their own.

ando wrote:
What about the adults who don't want to risk the side effects of PEDs?
Exactly. By allowing them, you force those who don't want to use them to take them in order to stay competitive...
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lumpy790 7/17/2014 5:33am
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My guess is if the Pro's are doing it .... so are the Am's. As TFS would say ..... follow the $$$$

should there be PED testing at Lorettas?
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Why Guy B, why?Laughing That was pure unadulterated humor. Hopefully Big Lenny got a laugh before you squashed it. LOL
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Sorry to bust up Huck and Lenny's bromance, but Lenny's little turdlets reault in what you saw. Aun't nobdy got time for that.
Jungle Fever? LOL
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MxKing809 7/17/2014 5:40am
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That's pretty impressive if the rider in question came HERE to see if his new has broken yet. We may be a bunch of individual wack-a-doodles but as a whole.... Well were one big wack-a-doodle who knows stuff! Cool


And hopefully someone can clear this up.... If you elect to not compete, does that keep your failed test private? Seems to me that if you were actually taking PED's the WADA wouldn't just forgive all transgressions if you take the outdoors off.... Just saying.
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newmann 7/17/2014 6:38am
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lumpy790 wrote:
My guess is if the Pro's are doing it .... so are the Am's. As TFS would say ..... follow the $$$$ should there be PED...
My guess is if the Pro's are doing it .... so are the Am's. As TFS would say ..... follow the $$$$

should there be PED testing at Lorettas?
PED testing at Lorettas? No.

But they should DQ all those kids in the C class that are running lap times with the B riders. And the B's running lap times with the A class. Send their asses packing without a feel good trophy...lol.
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hillbilly 7/17/2014 6:46am
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GuyB wrote:
Sorry to bust up Huck and Lenny's bromance, but Lenny's little turdlets reault in what you saw. Aun't nobdy got time for that.
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GrapeApe wrote:
Tell the other board we say hello . . .
hillbilly wrote:
What other board?

GrapeApe wrote:
Exactly
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lumpy790 wrote:
My guess is if the Pro's are doing it .... so are the Am's. As TFS would say ..... follow the $$$$ should there be PED...
My guess is if the Pro's are doing it .... so are the Am's. As TFS would say ..... follow the $$$$

should there be PED testing at Lorettas?
newmann wrote:
PED testing at Lorettas? No. But they should DQ all those kids in the C class that are running lap times with the B riders. And...
PED testing at Lorettas? No.

But they should DQ all those kids in the C class that are running lap times with the B riders. And the B's running lap times with the A class. Send their asses packing without a feel good trophy...lol.
No you don't get it man! You are supposed to get better support from the OEM's as a sandbagger B class hero then a guy finishing top 20 in the nationals.
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GuyB wrote:
Sorry to bust up Huck and Lenny's bromance, but Lenny's little turdlets reault in what you saw. Aun't nobdy got time for that.
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MxKing809 wrote:
That's pretty impressive if the rider in question came [i]HERE[/i] to see if his new has broken yet. We may be a bunch of individual wack-a-doodles...
That's pretty impressive if the rider in question came HERE to see if his new has broken yet. We may be a bunch of individual wack-a-doodles but as a whole.... Well were one big wack-a-doodle who knows stuff! Cool


And hopefully someone can clear this up.... If you elect to not compete, does that keep your failed test private? Seems to me that if you were actually taking PED's the WADA wouldn't just forgive all transgressions if you take the outdoors off.... Just saying.
I don't know how it all works, but it seems like sometimes they allow a athlete's self imposed suspension to count towards the end result penalty. In other words, if the penalty deems the rider to miss 5 races, and the rider sits out the last 5 races of the year voluntarily, they'll start their suspension from the time the rider decided to self penalize rather than from the time the suspension is decided on.

I don't know if that's how it would work in this situation, but it seems like I've seen that happen in other sports when penalties are issued. For some reason, the Manziel situation is sticking out in my head. Granted, that wasn't PED related.
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huck 7/17/2014 7:08am
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hillbilly wrote:
What other board?

GrapeApe wrote:
Exactly
slipdog wrote:
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Motonews?
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GrapeApe wrote:
Tell the other board we say hello . . .
huck wrote:
I normally get my information from MotoDrivel...but they aren't talking.
Huh

http://motodrivel.com/
TripleFive 7/17/2014 7:18am
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I understand the desire to strive for level playing field.

What I don't understand is the argument that PEDs should be banned because they are too dangerous. I'd say the majority of the participants of this forum could name at least one person that has died on a bike, one person that has been paralyzed, and one person that is permanently disfigured as a result of racing. What other sport has a dynamic like that? Life threatening injuries are very common. Any person that lines up on the gate that doesn't appreciate the fact that they have a substantial risk of being killed in the next 15 minutes is delusional.


Fairness? Sure. Unreasonable risk of danger? Give me a break.

If we were concerned about the safety of the children we wouldn't let them race motocross.

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hillbilly 7/17/2014 7:42am
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GrapeApe wrote:
Exactly
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huck wrote:
Motonews?
If you cant stand the heat go create your own kitchen.
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GrapeApe wrote:
Tell the other board we say hello . . .
huck wrote:
I normally get my information from MotoDrivel...but they aren't talking.
Myke wrote:
Huh

http://motodrivel.com/
that place doesn't exist
TheNewOriginal 7/17/2014 7:54am
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TripleFive wrote:
I understand the desire to strive for level playing field. What I don't understand is the argument that PEDs should be banned because they are too...
I understand the desire to strive for level playing field.

What I don't understand is the argument that PEDs should be banned because they are too dangerous. I'd say the majority of the participants of this forum could name at least one person that has died on a bike, one person that has been paralyzed, and one person that is permanently disfigured as a result of racing. What other sport has a dynamic like that? Life threatening injuries are very common. Any person that lines up on the gate that doesn't appreciate the fact that they have a substantial risk of being killed in the next 15 minutes is delusional.


Fairness? Sure. Unreasonable risk of danger? Give me a break.

If we were concerned about the safety of the children we wouldn't let them race motocross.

x2
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slipdog wrote:
Unsure Shocked Pinch
huck wrote:
Motonews?
hillbilly wrote:
If you cant stand the heat go create your own kitchen.
If you can't stand the cook, create your own kitchen....
2WheelsForTheMasses 7/17/2014 8:04am
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I love all the "my sources" comments on Vital, every single clown that uses the phrase "my sources" needs to be kicccked in the ass!

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