Herlings Unadilla Strategy..

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mxpure 7/16/2014 10:29pm
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anyone know the identity of the "moto" who put their watermark on the stolen image from Finland ? The thieving scum is gonna die !
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willie838 7/16/2014 11:48pm
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i'm not sure i can handle him coming over and going 1-1 against our best 250 riders.....i've been pretty firmly in the usa corner when it comes to top pros but herlings is one super gifted rider.


hoping the temperatures creep back up and it breaks 90+ that day.


i'm on the fence about going now, live racing is fun but the coverage on tv is just unbeatable it's gotten so good. I don't want to miss out on my 1 opportunity to see this kid race live though.
StartedTooLate 7/16/2014 11:51pm
7/16/2014 11:51pm Edited Date/Time 7/16/2014 11:53pm
5-2 for 3rd overall. The lack of practice time on a very technical track is going to be hard to overcome.

One thing for sure...if he came over last year...he would have been racing for 2nd. No one can ride a 250f any better than Tomac did last year at Unadilla.
Henk_Zanting 7/17/2014 12:06am
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anyone know the identity of the "moto" who put their watermark on the stolen image from Finland ? The thieving scum is gonna die !
Harry is here!! great journalist!

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5-2 for 3rd overall. The lack of practice time on a very technical track is going to be hard to overcome. One thing for sure...if he...
5-2 for 3rd overall. The lack of practice time on a very technical track is going to be hard to overcome.

One thing for sure...if he came over last year...he would have been racing for 2nd. No one can ride a 250f any better than Tomac did last year at Unadilla.
There is nothing technical about Unadilla. Its fast with long ruts and a few nice jumps. Its not even rough anymore.
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He put photos on a web site and got upset because someone copied them? That's like putting five bucks in the street and getting upset that...
He put photos on a web site and got upset because someone copied them?

That's like putting five bucks in the street and getting upset that someone picked it up.
Put your Mrs out on the street and see how upset you get when someone picks her up!
StartedTooLate 7/17/2014 12:24am
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5-2 for 3rd overall. The lack of practice time on a very technical track is going to be hard to overcome. One thing for sure...if he...
5-2 for 3rd overall. The lack of practice time on a very technical track is going to be hard to overcome.

One thing for sure...if he came over last year...he would have been racing for 2nd. No one can ride a 250f any better than Tomac did last year at Unadilla.
Zracer wrote:
There is nothing technical about Unadilla. Its fast with long ruts and a few nice jumps. Its not even rough anymore.
Long ruts aren't tech? 5-2 for 3rd. People are forgetting that Unadilla was one of JMs best races there last year. Herlings is an elite rider, but it is a LOT to expect him to come over in one race, with so little practice...and dominate. The event pace of an AMA weekend is a lot different than a GP. It is going to be a tough weekend.
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One thing I don't get is, about the bike, how is he allowed to use "his own" suspension. Surely his works KTM GP stuff is well...
One thing I don't get is, about the bike, how is he allowed to use "his own" suspension.

Surely his works KTM GP stuff is well outside the rules for 250 class in the states right?
KTM factory suspension is for sale to the public. The shock is called "WP Trax" and the forks are called "SXS Cone Valve". I do believe some factory riders use rediculously big 52mm fork tubes (which are not for sale) but I don't think Herlings does. Of course the internals will be miles away from what's for sale to the public, but that's not any different from how it's done in the US.
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Im suprised he says that the american bike is actually faster than his GP bike. No more excuses in the mxon about not having "true" factory...
Im suprised he says that the american bike is actually faster than his GP bike. No more excuses in the mxon about not having "true" factory bikes then. lol
Roczen said the same thing when he came over to race some SX before going back to win his GP title.
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Hey Jefro98, do you do characters of people(riders) sorry off topic. Referring to your avatar pic.
No, not me.

Mine came from OCD design, excellent helmet painter from France.
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Herling's for the Overall, stamp it, and bank it.
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Yeah team uses Cone Valve 52mm and lower tubes are alum also wich you cant buy. i didnt think before but maybe Marvin also have to use normal 48mm Cone Valve forks because rules?
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Gringoe 7/17/2014 4:40am
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IF (huge if) but if, he wins after just 30 minutes of track time on unadilla before the first Moto I will be very impressed. That...
IF (huge if) but if, he wins after just 30 minutes of track time on unadilla before the first Moto I will be very impressed. That track is incredibly hard to learn in two practices, if he does learn it, and does win, then the kid deserves every inch of hype he's ever gotten.

Wonder if they will make him ride B practice? I know Rodriguez did when he came back at muddy creek. Herlings may be a little above rodriguez though Grinning
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Don't they get 2- 30 minute practice sessions?
No, 15 min.
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Gringoe 7/17/2014 4:44am
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Crush wrote:
One thing I don't get is, about the bike, how is he allowed to use "his own" suspension. Surely his works KTM GP stuff is well...
One thing I don't get is, about the bike, how is he allowed to use "his own" suspension.

Surely his works KTM GP stuff is well outside the rules for 250 class in the states right?
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KTM factory suspension is for sale to the public. The shock is called "WP Trax" and the forks are called "SXS Cone Valve". I do believe...
KTM factory suspension is for sale to the public. The shock is called "WP Trax" and the forks are called "SXS Cone Valve". I do believe some factory riders use rediculously big 52mm fork tubes (which are not for sale) but I don't think Herlings does. Of course the internals will be miles away from what's for sale to the public, but that's not any different from how it's done in the US.
Well just looked at the rules. You think 5,175$ Will buy me the forks and 2000 will buy me the shock??

The 250 suspension rule is so beyond fucked. There's no way every top team isn't cheating that rule.

They need to bring the claiming rule back..
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I personally don't think he will do as well as everyone is expecting. I'm not going to predict a finishing spot, but I don't think he will be first or second. He will probably have one good moto and one bad moto.
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Zracer wrote:
There is nothing technical about Unadilla. Its fast with long ruts and a few nice jumps. Its not even rough anymore.
Right on..go look at some pics from the early years.
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PressPassP 7/17/2014 4:58am
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StartedTooLate wrote:
5-2 for 3rd overall. The lack of practice time on a very technical track is going to be hard to overcome. One thing for sure...if he...
5-2 for 3rd overall. The lack of practice time on a very technical track is going to be hard to overcome.

One thing for sure...if he came over last year...he would have been racing for 2nd. No one can ride a 250f any better than Tomac did last year at Unadilla.
Zracer wrote:
There is nothing technical about Unadilla. Its fast with long ruts and a few nice jumps. Its not even rough anymore.
StartedTooLate wrote:
Long ruts aren't tech? 5-2 for 3rd. People are forgetting that Unadilla was one of JMs best races there last year. Herlings is an elite rider...
Long ruts aren't tech? 5-2 for 3rd. People are forgetting that Unadilla was one of JMs best races there last year. Herlings is an elite rider, but it is a LOT to expect him to come over in one race, with so little practice...and dominate. The event pace of an AMA weekend is a lot different than a GP. It is going to be a tough weekend.
Still nowhere near as tech as the GP tracks, much longer between jumps,not so rough either,faster too,ruts sure are a bitch though and that schedule is definitely going to be a tough weekend

Better fuel and less exhaust restrictions should help though if he can get set up pretty good
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Gringoe 7/17/2014 5:01am
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Zracer wrote:
There is nothing technical about Unadilla. Its fast with long ruts and a few nice jumps. Its not even rough anymore.
StartedTooLate wrote:
Long ruts aren't tech? 5-2 for 3rd. People are forgetting that Unadilla was one of JMs best races there last year. Herlings is an elite rider...
Long ruts aren't tech? 5-2 for 3rd. People are forgetting that Unadilla was one of JMs best races there last year. Herlings is an elite rider, but it is a LOT to expect him to come over in one race, with so little practice...and dominate. The event pace of an AMA weekend is a lot different than a GP. It is going to be a tough weekend.
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Still nowhere near as tech as the GP tracks, much longer between jumps,not so rough either,faster too,ruts sure are a bitch though and that schedule is...
Still nowhere near as tech as the GP tracks, much longer between jumps,not so rough either,faster too,ruts sure are a bitch though and that schedule is definitely going to be a tough weekend

Better fuel and less exhaust restrictions should help though if he can get set up pretty good
The entire f******* track has been ruts the last two years. If it's the same this year, it will be just as tech as any of your precious gp's.

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Glory 7/17/2014 6:19am
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You can already feel how the American boys, especially Baggett(after Lommel). Gonna be an awesome fucking race!
thrillbillie91 7/17/2014 7:04am
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Herlings is in a great position here as he already has several built-in excuses (short trip, new track, different format, borrowed bike, different food, etc). He...
Herlings is in a great position here as he already has several built-in excuses (short trip, new track, different format, borrowed bike, different food, etc). He has very little to lose, no points to worry about, and can just go out there and let it rip. I say he goes 4-3 for 3rd overall behind Baggett and Pourcel.
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ehr400 7/17/2014 8:23am
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He will go 4-6.

He isnt used to having someone or others pressuring him from the start. When he does he starts making mistakes. I give him props for coming over here but for fucks sake I think every Euro should be wearing the "Believe the Hype Tshirts".





2strokerider 7/17/2014 8:35am
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He will go 4-6. He isnt used to having someone or others pressuring him from the start. When he does he starts making mistakes. I give...
He will go 4-6.

He isnt used to having someone or others pressuring him from the start. When he does he starts making mistakes. I give him props for coming over here but for fucks sake I think every Euro should be wearing the "Believe the Hype Tshirts".





not used to others pressuring him? what about his epic battle with roczen all year when he was only 15?!! (you know, that german kid that is smoking everyone in your premier class at the minute)

you're dillusional if you think he will go 4-6!!! he has all the odds against him, but in my opinion the only rider that is capable of getting anywhere near him is baggett (if baggett has a REALLY good day) or pourcel if he has one of his usual unadilla superman rides!

you should believe the hype!!! you will see soon enough though- 884 is coming!!!!!
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ehr400 7/17/2014 8:37am
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You forget about 5 other guys that are fast as shit dude and can put together 2 motos unlike 95% of the current mxgp series.
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ehr400 7/17/2014 8:40am
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WTF who cares about him and kenny when they were 15-17 years old. MM25 won it 2 years in a row. Then Kenny beating him in 2011?
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He will go 4-6. He isnt used to having someone or others pressuring him from the start. When he does he starts making mistakes. I give...
He will go 4-6.

He isnt used to having someone or others pressuring him from the start. When he does he starts making mistakes. I give him props for coming over here but for fucks sake I think every Euro should be wearing the "Believe the Hype Tshirts".





So u think pourcel can come of the couch and score Oakley bomb awards and finish 3rd and 4th and shit. Yet arguably the worlds fastest 250 rider is gonna go 4-6 and struggle with others pressuring him.... I believe u are deeply under estimating him ... True he has been winning week in week out without much/any pressure but don't think for a minute he won't be ready to battle... All that winning is just building his confidence more and more which I believe will only make him faster!
And no mistake I do think he knows of the pace needed to run up front and respects the Riders on ur side of the pond but I really think the kid is confident and he prob believes (although he may not say it) that he is the fastest rider out there and will run with any one.
2strokerider 7/17/2014 8:51am
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ehr400 wrote:
WTF who cares about him and kenny when they were 15-17 years old. MM25 won it 2 years in a row. Then Kenny beating him in...
WTF who cares about him and kenny when they were 15-17 years old. MM25 won it 2 years in a row. Then Kenny beating him in 2011?
you said he cant handle pressure- he isnt afraid to bang bars.

Some of you guys are vastly underestimating jeffreys ability!!! more surprising to me though is the amount of you that think he will win- didnt expect that.

Just be glad that you get to see herlings race, even if it is just a one off! hoping that the track gets really rough and rutty- thats when he will shine!!
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Glory wrote:
You can already feel how the American boys, especially Baggett(after Lommel). Gonna be an awesome fucking race!
People keep saying that, but I don't think that is how it plays out. Blake has a legit shot at the title, and I cant see him risking that if it mean having t go balls out to beat Herlings. I'm sure he is hoping his normal dead last start and blistering pace will be enough. Laughing But IMO, the top guys will not be out to prove a point just by racing Herlings. They gets paid to win titles. I hope I'm wrong and guys like Blake come in with a chip on their shoulder and just ride like animals but I don't see them changing anything up for a one off race. The American moto fan has no idea Herlings destroyed our guys n the sand (most have probably never heard of the MXDN anyhow), so it isn't like that day haunts Blake and follows him everywhere he goes. He just got waxed. It happens to everyone at some point.
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ehr400 7/17/2014 8:57am
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No one has ever disputed CP's speed, but moto is 2 moto's atleast thats how we do it over here OK?

I have seen him ride not disputing his speed, actually I believe most of the nuthuggers on here said the same things about Tyla, MM, Kenny etc. how so "retarded fast" they are and they going to clean up on everything. Well Kenny is doing good now, took him a few years. He even said the intensity is way higher and there is always someone right on you. MM the same thing. I will stand by what I believe and be surprised if he is on the podium.

Another thing, you dont think Blake or anyone else has confidence on tracks they have ridden before? Not saying Jefferey will get lapped but it is a big difference comparing the MXDN at Lommel which is literally a personal practice track for him and most of the GP guys to a riding against US riders on a track no one rides except for twice a year.
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ehr400 7/17/2014 9:00am
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ehr400 wrote:
WTF who cares about him and kenny when they were 15-17 years old. MM25 won it 2 years in a row. Then Kenny beating him in...
WTF who cares about him and kenny when they were 15-17 years old. MM25 won it 2 years in a row. Then Kenny beating him in 2011?
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you said he cant handle pressure- he isnt afraid to bang bars. Some of you guys are vastly underestimating jeffreys ability!!! more surprising to me though...
you said he cant handle pressure- he isnt afraid to bang bars.

Some of you guys are vastly underestimating jeffreys ability!!! more surprising to me though is the amount of you that think he will win- didnt expect that.

Just be glad that you get to see herlings race, even if it is just a one off! hoping that the track gets really rough and rutty- thats when he will shine!!
Not saying having a ramming match, i mean having 40 guys, repeat 40 guys around him and him having to deal with alot more people on the track and having guys with more speed in the 5-10 range then he is used to.

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