So what happened with the Lakewood Colorado test results?????

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Edited Date/Time 7/14/2014 6:59pm
Why haven't the results of the drug testing results from Thunder Valley National been released yet?
It's over a month ago since the blood tests were taken, surely it doesn't take this long to analyse approx 6 riders results.
Is there a press or legal embargo on the USADA results being published in light of the " claimed leaks of the FIM SX tests by WADA from Seattle?

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7/10/2014 4:47am
Wasn't it over 6 weeks by the time Seattle results were made public?
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7/10/2014 4:51am
It never happened...
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7/10/2014 5:07am
Honest question, if everyone was good (no illegal substances or TUE's) would they even make an announcement?
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7/10/2014 5:09am
copsey wrote:
Honest question, if everyone was good (no illegal substances or TUE's) would they even make an announcement?
They announced a few weeks ago that at one of the Supercross races (not Seattle) everyone tested good (no illegal substances).

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It was 10 blood tests and 8 urine tests.
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7/10/2014 6:34am Edited Date/Time 7/10/2014 6:34am
copsey wrote:
Honest question, if everyone was good (no illegal substances or TUE's) would they even make an announcement?
Honestly, if Stewart's tests come back fine tom Lakewood, that may actually be worse for him, as it will then show that he took the substance in SX to aid his performance. If it is a prescription, he would surely still be using it and therefore would test positive for it again.
7/10/2014 6:38am
Honestly, if Stewart's tests come back fine tom Lakewood, that may actually be worse for him, as it will then show that he took the substance...
Honestly, if Stewart's tests come back fine tom Lakewood, that may actually be worse for him, as it will then show that he took the substance in SX to aid his performance. If it is a prescription, he would surely still be using it and therefore would test positive for it again.
Word from the JS7 camp is that he "filed" for an outdoor TUE. Filed can mean two very different things. Also, I think it's curious that we haven't heard anything from his camp about him filing for SX.
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7/10/2014 6:43am
I just had a blood test done for a life insurance policy and I swear, they checked for 100 different things! you know how long it took to get the results back? 5 freakin days!
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7/10/2014 7:20am
rcm406 wrote:
I just had a blood test done for a life insurance policy and I swear, they checked for 100 different things! you know how long it...
I just had a blood test done for a life insurance policy and I swear, they checked for 100 different things! you know how long it took to get the results back? 5 freakin days!
They weren't testing for ped's that are masked,hidden in ways a insurance test could never show.

Plus,your life,livelihood isn't in the balance.
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7/10/2014 7:37am
Have they done any testing in the 3 races since?
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7/10/2014 7:52am
It was two weeks ago that DC said he was expecting them "any day now".
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7/10/2014 8:21am
smeg wrote:
It was two weeks ago that DC said he was expecting them "any day now".
And if there was a TUE filed and he got everything cleared, you will be waiting a lot longer than that to get the test results.
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Scenario. USADA test shows Stewart used his prescription medicine but all the papers are ok and he`s clear. How will that be seen in his WADA hearing. Will they take that as a reasoning or will they ignore it and punish him for a full program?
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So you're saying it takes longer to get test results back from someone who has a therapeutic use exemption than someone who doesn't?

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smeg wrote:
It was two weeks ago that DC said he was expecting them "any day now".
IceMan446 wrote:
And if there was a TUE filed and he got everything cleared, you will be waiting a lot longer than that to get the test results.
Why do you think a TUE would affect the timing of test results?
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7/10/2014 8:54am
rcm406 wrote:
I just had a blood test done for a life insurance policy and I swear, they checked for 100 different things! you know how long it...
I just had a blood test done for a life insurance policy and I swear, they checked for 100 different things! you know how long it took to get the results back? 5 freakin days!
hillbilly wrote:
They weren't testing for ped's that are masked,hidden in ways a insurance test could never show.

Plus,your life,livelihood isn't in the balance.
I'm a financial advisor and part of my job is life insurance. Some companies absolutely do have extensive test that could show this.
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smeg wrote:
It was two weeks ago that DC said he was expecting them "any day now".
IceMan446 wrote:
And if there was a TUE filed and he got everything cleared, you will be waiting a lot longer than that to get the test results.
GrapeApe wrote:
Why do you think a TUE would affect the timing of test results?
Because they won't announce them. If he would of had a TUE in SX we never would have heard anything about this. As it wouldn't be a failed test.
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7/10/2014 10:03am
IceMan446 wrote:
And if there was a TUE filed and he got everything cleared, you will be waiting a lot longer than that to get the test results.
GrapeApe wrote:
Why do you think a TUE would affect the timing of test results?
oshow wrote:
Because they won't announce them. If he would of had a TUE in SX we never would have heard anything about this. As it wouldn't be...
Because they won't announce them. If he would of had a TUE in SX we never would have heard anything about this. As it wouldn't be a failed test.
They announced Villopoto's and Dungey's results from Seattle, right? Here's the FIM PR:

"Anti-doping controls were carried out during the Monster Energy AMA Supercross, an FIM World Championship event held at the Century Link Field, Seattle, Washington, USA, on 12 April 2014.

The riders tested were:

Ryan DUNGEY (USA)
Ryan VILLOPOTO (USA)
James STEWART (USA)

No prohibited substances or their metabolites, or markers, or the use of prohibited methods were found in the tested samples apart from James Stewart’s sample, which tested positive for amphetamine."
7/10/2014 10:34am
Stewart has a TUE filed for the outdoors, meaning if he fails and everyone else passes we will never hear about it because he has a TUE... lets stop worrying about this now, theres enough threads on it ffs
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7/14/2014 6:33am
So where's the Lakewood test results then? They were due weeks ago.
And what was the result of the original B Test? Has it been tested yet? What's the FIM's decision?

The whole subject has gone very quiet......
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7/14/2014 7:08am
They'll be available at round 3. Round 3 of the 2015 SX series.
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7/14/2014 7:19am Edited Date/Time 7/14/2014 7:20am
robkinuk wrote:
Why haven't the results of the drug testing results from Thunder Valley National been released yet? It's over a month ago since the blood tests were...
Why haven't the results of the drug testing results from Thunder Valley National been released yet?
It's over a month ago since the blood tests were taken, surely it doesn't take this long to analyse approx 6 riders results.
Is there a press or legal embargo on the USADA results being published in light of the " claimed leaks of the FIM SX tests by WADA from Seattle?

You're positively drooling with anticipation aren't you, Rob?

But since you're so keen on this, you'd be pretty steeped in the testing protocol, know the time frame, and know there's nothing extraordinary about it taking this amount of time, and that in fact typically it's bit early.

But don't let that stop your fun.
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7/14/2014 7:31am
Fraser wrote:
So where's the Lakewood test results then? They were due weeks ago. And what was the result of the original B Test? Has it been tested...
So where's the Lakewood test results then? They were due weeks ago.
And what was the result of the original B Test? Has it been tested yet? What's the FIM's decision?

The whole subject has gone very quiet......


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So, Round 3 of the 2015 SX series is a good guess then....Smile
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Thanks FTE,

So going on your flow chart, B testing should be done by now. We should all know the results/penalty imposed by around Aug 6th.

Unless JS appeals it, though as the offence was readily admitted I can't see it going to a lengthy appeal.

Unless WADA decide the FIM penalty is not sufficient and they appeal it....

Round 3 sounds about right!
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7/14/2014 8:50am
Fraser wrote:
Thanks FTE, So going on your flow chart, B testing should be done by now. We should all know the results/penalty imposed by around Aug 6th...
Thanks FTE,

So going on your flow chart, B testing should be done by now. We should all know the results/penalty imposed by around Aug 6th.

Unless JS appeals it, though as the offence was readily admitted I can't see it going to a lengthy appeal.

Unless WADA decide the FIM penalty is not sufficient and they appeal it....

Round 3 sounds about right!
All I would take from the guidelines, which they concede are general, is that it's still early.

So much else in these threads is pure assumption, including that an "offense" was "readily admitted." Another is that either WADA as to Seattle or USADA as to Lakewood, or either sanctioning body purporting to act on WADA/USADA results, wouldn't be estopped from asserting a violation on the basis of WADA's conduct during the test and processing of any TUE, not to mention any failure of the FIM to properly manage the information and process.
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Follow the money kids!

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There you go, letting facts get in the way of some perfectly good conspiracy theories.

Keep up the good work.
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By readily admitted an offence, I meant the original Yoshimura press release stating that the positive test was caused by a script for a long term condition.

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