No gluten, no dairy, and only meat once a week?

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I eat really clean and pretty much always have (thanks to the drive from racing moto most of my life).

Lately I've dropped milk in exchange for almond milk and have been wanting to find good ways to get rid of dairy all-together, just to try it.

Thanks for some of the references above - I'll check out the info from the ultra-endurance athlete above.

(I missed where this was said / article - where did Kenny say this?)
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7/7/2014 7:32am
I have celiac disease and have been Gluten free for about 8 years maybe. I eat way to much red meat. Like every day. I drink a gallon of milk a day too. I will drink milk all day at the track in 100 degrees. I never ate candy or drank Coke much growing up but now way to much. Cut the cokes down to one a day lately. Most endurance athletes are Gluten free. I wish I new I was supposed to be gluten free all the years racing. I was always sick but we all thought it was just over training and beating up my body when really I was poisoning myself with wheat and other glutens. What a difference when I eliminated the gluten. I did better than i dreamed racing moto but I always wonder what if i wasn't sick every single time for 30 years. Lol
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A good diet is important. Eating good, fresh, unprocessed foods is always better than eating processed foods. However, as with many things, fanatics take a little knowledge and try to make claims that have no basis in fact, and often times are completely false. Take for example the "coconut water is the same as plasma" thing. Yes, coconut water has been used for emergency fluid replacement when saline wasn't widely available, but in no way is it similar to "plasma", it is similar to salt water. It also has little sodium and too much potassium which would quickly lead to cardiac problems and edema if more than a liter or two is used. My other issue is with gluten. Yes there are people with gluten sensitivity, but it is relatively rare. However, they take the fact that some people are sensitive, and try to claim that it is bad for everyone. I look at hundreds of biopsies a year in patients with suspected gluten sensitivity, and find 4 or 5 cases a year that are positive. Don't eat it if it makes you feel better about what you are eating, but don't label something as poison for everyone when it only negatively affects 2% of people. In any event, it just bugs me when people spout a bunch of garbage as fact.
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7/7/2014 9:50am Edited Date/Time 7/7/2014 9:54am
dhp_mma94 wrote:
to me thats crazy, i can go a day without meat but eat meat only once a weak??? no sir , cant do that
After you get it out of your system your cravings will diminish but not before your sweet tooth will come out BIG TIME.

Next month August 21st will be my 38th anniversary of no meat chicken pork. Still am eating fish but I don't know for how much longer given the state of our oceans. I gave meat up after reading most of the long distance runners didn't eat meat plus the Swedes did studies showing meat breaks down something in the blood that is directly related to stamina.

I read that stuff and said SOLD!

BTW here in the US the biggest thing I notice is most people over eat. Their stomachs are used to being filled up so they need more food to feel "full." The less you eat the less you will have to eat (within reason of course) to feel full going forward.

KGAspeed-My best friend got me to stop drinking cows milk so now I drink the Vanilla Rice drink. Stuff is expensive but I am not putting in any hormones into my system either like you do when you drink cows milk. I will still drink it (when I am at my mom's in Dayton) but no longer buy cow's milk. Use very little butter on toast but am not afraid to use butter on certain things.

Shoot no one lives forever. All things in moderation...use and not abuse works for me.

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7/7/2014 11:03am
steveada wrote:
A good diet is important. Eating good, fresh, unprocessed foods is always better than eating processed foods. However, as with many things, fanatics take a little...
A good diet is important. Eating good, fresh, unprocessed foods is always better than eating processed foods. However, as with many things, fanatics take a little knowledge and try to make claims that have no basis in fact, and often times are completely false. Take for example the "coconut water is the same as plasma" thing. Yes, coconut water has been used for emergency fluid replacement when saline wasn't widely available, but in no way is it similar to "plasma", it is similar to salt water. It also has little sodium and too much potassium which would quickly lead to cardiac problems and edema if more than a liter or two is used. My other issue is with gluten. Yes there are people with gluten sensitivity, but it is relatively rare. However, they take the fact that some people are sensitive, and try to claim that it is bad for everyone. I look at hundreds of biopsies a year in patients with suspected gluten sensitivity, and find 4 or 5 cases a year that are positive. Don't eat it if it makes you feel better about what you are eating, but don't label something as poison for everyone when it only negatively affects 2% of people. In any event, it just bugs me when people spout a bunch of garbage as fact.
Well said. I live in Santa Cruz area and it seems like this entire city population feels they need to be gluten free at a minimum and better off if you are vegetarian. If you barbeque meat and eat cheese and crackers you're some sort of freak. F that. Life's too short as it is to not enjoy Rib Eye steak and good some good cheese. I like white bread too, there.
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7/7/2014 11:20am
steveada wrote:
A good diet is important. Eating good, fresh, unprocessed foods is always better than eating processed foods. However, as with many things, fanatics take a little...
A good diet is important. Eating good, fresh, unprocessed foods is always better than eating processed foods. However, as with many things, fanatics take a little knowledge and try to make claims that have no basis in fact, and often times are completely false. Take for example the "coconut water is the same as plasma" thing. Yes, coconut water has been used for emergency fluid replacement when saline wasn't widely available, but in no way is it similar to "plasma", it is similar to salt water. It also has little sodium and too much potassium which would quickly lead to cardiac problems and edema if more than a liter or two is used. My other issue is with gluten. Yes there are people with gluten sensitivity, but it is relatively rare. However, they take the fact that some people are sensitive, and try to claim that it is bad for everyone. I look at hundreds of biopsies a year in patients with suspected gluten sensitivity, and find 4 or 5 cases a year that are positive. Don't eat it if it makes you feel better about what you are eating, but don't label something as poison for everyone when it only negatively affects 2% of people. In any event, it just bugs me when people spout a bunch of garbage as fact.
Agreed. Again I did not see the article referencing this whole topic (TV broadcast or article? anyone?) but why would Aldon cut out gluten if it is widely known that only a small percentage of people really suffer from gluten sensitivity? Unless Kenny does, but it sounds like it is just one of Aldon's rules.
7/7/2014 11:24am
All you have to do is eat like him and you can be as fast as Kenny. LOL. Giver boys!!
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7/7/2014 12:33pm Edited Date/Time 7/7/2014 12:33pm
KGAspeed wrote:
Agreed. Again I did not see the article referencing this whole topic (TV broadcast or article? anyone?) but why would Aldon cut out gluten if it...
Agreed. Again I did not see the article referencing this whole topic (TV broadcast or article? anyone?) but why would Aldon cut out gluten if it is widely known that only a small percentage of people really suffer from gluten sensitivity? Unless Kenny does, but it sounds like it is just one of Aldon's rules.
Ryno is down with the same gluten free diet. Gluten increases inflammation so given the demands of MX I can appreciate why even for someone that isn't gluten sensitive it is a good idea to avoid gluten. Hey that reminds me I have taken my Tumeric today...that stuff is great for dealing with inflammation.
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7/7/2014 12:39pm
i had a fat-ass mushroom, blue cheese, bacon stuffed burger last night that was phenomenal. i wouldn't be able to go 3 days without eating red meat. love it.
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Although I find their interview style pretty painful to get though, there is some excellent nutrition information here.







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7/7/2014 2:45pm
I just hit the big 6 0 last May. I've tried dozens of different diets through the years from no sugar, no gluten, no dairy to large quantities of fruits and veggies, low meat and high carbs, high meat and low carbs, no alcohol, moderate alcohol, high fat and low carbs and many others.

I have come to realize what a very old man (90s) who was in excellent health told me a long time ago "Common Sense and Moderation" are the keys. As long as you eat and drink sensible your going to moto just fine. Being mental about a strict diet and a bunch of special foods isn't going to make a noticeable difference in the way you preform and feel.

Just do a Google Search for key words like: endurance diets, athletic diets or best foods for athletes. You could be reading and watching You Tube Vids for weeks and become more and more confused. This is one of the most controversial subjects on the planet. Then factor in the fact that everyone is a little different. One diet may work wonders for one person and not do didily for another...you know what I mean.

I'm not saying to eat processed foods, a lot of high glycemic index foods and crap like that. If you're being balanced with fruits and veggies, good quality meats (some red but more chicken and fish), quality fats and oils, nuts, seeds Quinoa, Brown and Wild Rice, plenty of water and Remember the Rule of "COMMON SENSE AND MODERATION" the diet part will be pasted with flying colors. It's the other ingredients that make up the real differences. Commitment and Hard Work!
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7/7/2014 2:49pm
GarySemics wrote:
I just hit the big 6 0 last May. I've tried dozens of different diets through the years from no sugar, no gluten, no dairy to...
I just hit the big 6 0 last May. I've tried dozens of different diets through the years from no sugar, no gluten, no dairy to large quantities of fruits and veggies, low meat and high carbs, high meat and low carbs, no alcohol, moderate alcohol, high fat and low carbs and many others.

I have come to realize what a very old man (90s) who was in excellent health told me a long time ago "Common Sense and Moderation" are the keys. As long as you eat and drink sensible your going to moto just fine. Being mental about a strict diet and a bunch of special foods isn't going to make a noticeable difference in the way you preform and feel.

Just do a Google Search for key words like: endurance diets, athletic diets or best foods for athletes. You could be reading and watching You Tube Vids for weeks and become more and more confused. This is one of the most controversial subjects on the planet. Then factor in the fact that everyone is a little different. One diet may work wonders for one person and not do didily for another...you know what I mean.

I'm not saying to eat processed foods, a lot of high glycemic index foods and crap like that. If you're being balanced with fruits and veggies, good quality meats (some red but more chicken and fish), quality fats and oils, nuts, seeds Quinoa, Brown and Wild Rice, plenty of water and Remember the Rule of "COMMON SENSE AND MODERATION" the diet part will be pasted with flying colors. It's the other ingredients that make up the real differences. Commitment and Hard Work!
Well said Gary.
7/7/2014 3:06pm Edited Date/Time 7/7/2014 3:06pm
That (the comment on his diet) caught my ear too....so did it when he said "it's so much fun to ride out there and not get tired at the end." (or something along those lines)

On a side note: it always blows me away to see these guys pull off the track, wipe the dirt from their faces, and immediately carry on a conversation...looking like they just walked up a flight of stairs not just finished a 35+ minute moto. Amazing! Sometimes after a 5 lap, 10-15 minute moto, I'm so gassed that I have trouble putting my bike on the stand and getting my gloves off!! Damn steaks, cheese burgers and combo burritos!!! Grinning
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7/7/2014 3:24pm
Not moto but I was at the gym one day and Mr. California body building champ was there and after seeing what kind of shape that guy was in I asked him about his diet. He told me: I eat meat and vegetables all week..........................but I have pizza one night on the weekend. Again not moto but this guy appeared to wear all his veins on the outside! Smile
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peelout wrote:
i had a fat-ass mushroom, blue cheese, bacon stuffed burger last night that was phenomenal. i wouldn't be able to go 3 days without eating red...
i had a fat-ass mushroom, blue cheese, bacon stuffed burger last night that was phenomenal. i wouldn't be able to go 3 days without eating red meat. love it.
Man those are incredible until Meg decides to get crafty and drop a digit..... Then its an all out battle.
7/7/2014 4:55pm
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Ryno is down with the same gluten free diet. Gluten increases inflammation so given the demands of MX I can appreciate why even for someone that...
Ryno is down with the same gluten free diet. Gluten increases inflammation so given the demands of MX I can appreciate why even for someone that isn't gluten sensitive it is a good idea to avoid gluten. Hey that reminds me I have taken my Tumeric today...that stuff is great for dealing with inflammation.
Who told you gluten increases inflammation?
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7/7/2014 6:33pm Edited Date/Time 7/7/2014 6:41pm
Hahaha Vital is full of trainers, financial advisors, life coaches, team managers, and now...dietitians. This place is fantastic.
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7/7/2014 6:50pm
The reason Aldon is so successful, 1 his knowledge but most of all Ricky, James, Ryan and now Kenny all had the burning desire to hang it out and risk death. Most of us on this board ride or rode, we have all been in a situation that you needed to hang it out, question is did you or not, Thats what makes a champion.
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Kyle978 wrote:
Hahaha Vital is full of trainers, financial advisors, life coaches, team managers, and now...dietitians. This place is fantastic.
pretty sure Gary Semics knows a thing or two..
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7/7/2014 8:56pm
AS64 wrote:
If it fits your macros..
kev472 wrote:
Yes please I would go nuts on a diet Where foods are excluded, the link below is a great example http://www.healthylivingheavylifting.com/how-clean-eating-made-me-fat-but-ice-cream-and-subway-got-me-lean/ People are so easy to...
Yes please I would go nuts on a diet Where foods are excluded, the link below is a great example

http://www.healthylivingheavylifting.com/how-clean-eating-made-me-fat-b…
People are so easy to forget the mental aspect of a diet
Extreme measures often lead to eating disorders and binge eating

I'm not saying Aldon is wrong,he obviously produces or trains a lot of champions
But what you have to wonder is how much of roczen's performance increase is due to a better training program
Where before he was surfing etc
And how much is due to diet

Just my 2 cents anyway
I do not eat processed foods, most muscle (only eat fish), processed sugars..... I beat my addiction to foods by meditation. You'll be surprised by the power of stillness. You posted an excuse.
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7/7/2014 8:58pm
steveada wrote:
A good diet is important. Eating good, fresh, unprocessed foods is always better than eating processed foods. However, as with many things, fanatics take a little...
A good diet is important. Eating good, fresh, unprocessed foods is always better than eating processed foods. However, as with many things, fanatics take a little knowledge and try to make claims that have no basis in fact, and often times are completely false. Take for example the "coconut water is the same as plasma" thing. Yes, coconut water has been used for emergency fluid replacement when saline wasn't widely available, but in no way is it similar to "plasma", it is similar to salt water. It also has little sodium and too much potassium which would quickly lead to cardiac problems and edema if more than a liter or two is used. My other issue is with gluten. Yes there are people with gluten sensitivity, but it is relatively rare. However, they take the fact that some people are sensitive, and try to claim that it is bad for everyone. I look at hundreds of biopsies a year in patients with suspected gluten sensitivity, and find 4 or 5 cases a year that are positive. Don't eat it if it makes you feel better about what you are eating, but don't label something as poison for everyone when it only negatively affects 2% of people. In any event, it just bugs me when people spout a bunch of garbage as fact.
processed food is garbage for everyone, don't need to be a dietician, trainer to be able to do a little research and find out the benefits of organic food...pretty sure from Aldon's record that seeing (ie results) is believing!!
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7/7/2014 9:01pm Edited Date/Time 7/7/2014 9:02pm
Kyle978 wrote:
Hahaha Vital is full of trainers, financial advisors, life coaches, team managers, and now...dietitians. This place is fantastic.
Many people on VitalMX are pretty educated on certain aspects of life. For example, you mentioned finance, life coach, and dietitians. I am an avid study of all those - went to a top 50 B School (MBA Corporate Finance and study the latest MS Corporate Finance Journals) and worked with transformation coaches on emotional intelligence. Either you have nothing to dispute (anyone's claim) on this thread or feel like you needed to post in this thread. What you did post is bullshit.
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7/7/2014 9:16pm Edited Date/Time 7/7/2014 9:17pm
bd wrote:
Many people on VitalMX are pretty educated on certain aspects of life. For example, you mentioned finance, life coach, and dietitians. I am an avid study...
Many people on VitalMX are pretty educated on certain aspects of life. For example, you mentioned finance, life coach, and dietitians. I am an avid study of all those - went to a top 50 B School (MBA Corporate Finance and study the latest MS Corporate Finance Journals) and worked with transformation coaches on emotional intelligence. Either you have nothing to dispute (anyone's claim) on this thread or feel like you needed to post in this thread. What you did post is bullshit.
My point is, a few uneducated people will blow up a thread making uneducated claims that they think is the gospel, which usually drowns out any intelligent posts by people with real knowledge. This whole thread was based on Roczen only eating meat once a week...which is not true at all.
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7/8/2014 6:45am
Like Coach Robb Beams said on DMXS radio 2 weeks ago. The two most important things in a athlete's training regimen is sleep and food. He doesn't mean junk food but healthy foods to help feed the body and recover. When you sleep the body releases growth hormone which keeps you lean naturally. The liver feeds the brain, the muscles recover.

I find it hard to believe, Roczen has eliminated red meat completely from his diet.
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7/8/2014 6:48am
Clearly the average Merican's diet is working perfectly, just look at the numbers. The entire "good food" shit is another liberal conspiracy.
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7/8/2014 7:47am
Damn. It think the most amazing part of all this is that the riders are all so closely matched in physical skill and ability that little things like red meat consumption or avocados is what's splitting them.
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Its is pretty simple to eat properly.

Stay away from processed foods and your 90% there. The rest is basic portion size in relation of carbs - proteins and what time of day you eat them. Processed foods during a training camp would effect me for a few days. My body certainly knew the difference of eating good fresh food and crap.


When I trained hard for Muay Thai I would be eating 4200-5000 Kcal during the initial phase (4 weeks) of a 10 week training camp and I would still lose weight. I would slowly cut down to 2800 kcals about 14 days out and down to a strict 1800 kcals 1 week out when your focusing on cutting weight. Usually cut from 175 lbs to 155 lbs effortlessly.

I adopted a pretty much eat what you like attitude as if you crave bacon or a juicy steak I am sure my body is telling me I need whatever nutrients that is in those foods. But I would eat those foods early in the day and always before 5pm.

-I ran in the morning then ate a large 1200-1500kcal meal in the morning. 50% of those carbs and slow release ones at that. I would also get the not so good foods out of the way like some bacon or sausages, french toast or even chocolate etc.

-Mid morning snack of around 400kcals would be some fish and veg or cold cuts and salad.

-Weight train at lunchtime followed by a protein shake and a 400kcal carb meal .

-Mid afternoon snack. Usually some savoury or dairy food and nuts again around 400kcal

-Train after work for 30-45 mins intense circuits followed by a 15-25 minute jump rope (skip). Another largish meal of around 1000 kcals but this time no significant carbs. Maybe a very small baked potato or a very small cup of rice. Protein shake again as well.

-1 hours training in the evening focusing on pad work or sparring. Followed by another 400-600 kcal meal.

Now keeping that in mind it is not possible to maintain that all year round. One your body can't maintain that kind of peak and two the food bill would be ridiculous.

My maintenance routine would be base metabolic rate plus 800 kcals every day. I used to save a few hundred a day so that a few beers and a pizza on a Friday wouldn't be out of the question. I wasn't that particular about counting calories either. Once you got used to counting certain foods for a month you can easily judge whats on a plate without thinking.

To make sure I was full all the time my other tip was to eat a cereal bowl of vegetables with some olive oil drizzled over it once a day and the same with fruits once a day as a sweet snack.

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7/8/2014 8:51am
When Aldon takes a guy who consistently finishes in 20th the 25th Pl. and make him a top five guy I'll be impressed.

It's not that hard to take the best riders and make them a little bit better.
7/8/2014 9:13am
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u can bet hes not the only one on this diet!! NO red meat, kale shakes in the a.m. (carrots, kale, spinach, dandelions) are a great...
u can bet hes not the only one on this diet!! NO red meat, kale shakes in the a.m. (carrots, kale, spinach, dandelions) are a great way to start the day as its way easier for the body to absorb. NO processed foods, coconut water to drink as it has many if not all of the naturally occurring electrolytes for proper/faster hydration. Coconut water is so pure for over 60 years it has been used a a blood transfusion in areas where actual plasma is not available.
Unless you are heading in to your garden and taking a bite of lettuce, all food is processed.

And can you provide some studies for the coconut water info?
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7/8/2014 9:17am
Coyote wrote:
u can bet hes not the only one on this diet!! NO red meat, kale shakes in the a.m. (carrots, kale, spinach, dandelions) are a great...
u can bet hes not the only one on this diet!! NO red meat, kale shakes in the a.m. (carrots, kale, spinach, dandelions) are a great way to start the day as its way easier for the body to absorb. NO processed foods, coconut water to drink as it has many if not all of the naturally occurring electrolytes for proper/faster hydration. Coconut water is so pure for over 60 years it has been used a a blood transfusion in areas where actual plasma is not available.
Unless you are heading in to your garden and taking a bite of lettuce, all food is processed. And can you provide some studies for the...
Unless you are heading in to your garden and taking a bite of lettuce, all food is processed.

And can you provide some studies for the coconut water info?

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