Transgender DQ'd at LL Qualifier

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6/23/2014 5:18am
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6/23/2014 5:34am
crusher773 wrote:
I don't see the issue born a boy. Then you are a boy. Born a girl then you are a girl. Pretty simple.
x100 Kinda hard to get it mixed up I would think, Not in today's world though !
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6/23/2014 5:52am
crusher773 wrote:
I don't see the issue born a boy. Then you are a boy. Born a girl then you are a girl. Pretty simple.
x100 Kinda hard to get it mixed up I would think, Not in today's world though !
its not a choice whether you want to have male or female traits.if it was a choice, when did you decide regarding your own ..
example,my cousin was gay,she didn't choose that path as an option.she just went with it.rip.
I couldn't understand it either,till somebody asked me when I chose to be male.i'm like,what? I was born male,i didn't choose anything,i went with it. that person said,"exactly"!

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6/23/2014 6:13am Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 6:13am
There are numerous lawsuits currently where "trans" females(actually males) want to use the ladies restrooms and arent allowed. Also a suit where a 9 year old...
There are numerous lawsuits currently where "trans" females(actually males) want to use the ladies restrooms and arent allowed. Also a suit where a 9 year old boy wasnt allowed to wear dresses to school. Jesus christ people, do we really have to have a debate on how fucked up things like this are? Are we all hopeless bigots for saying that "how you feel inside" does not a gender make? I honestly think this is bizarro world sometimes.
This topic is about science, not opinion. These issues don't have to be resolved today or even in your life time, and certainly not by you.
When you can express yourself in terms like the following, maybe then your ideas will have some validity.

"A lot of unintended harm happens when people assume a Y chromosome makes a person a boy or a man and the lack of a Y chromosome makes a person a girl or a woman. For example, one physician educator on our Medical Advisory Board had the challenging experience of trying to calm a 23-year-old patient who had just been told by a resident that she was “really a man” because the resident had diagnosed the patient as having a Y chromosome and complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS).

It is true that in typical male development, the SRY gene on the tip of the Y chromosome helps to send the embryo down the masculine pathway. But more than the SRY is needed for sex determination and differentiation; for example, women with CAIS have the SRY gene but lack androgen receptors. In terms of hormone effects on their bodies (including their brains), women with CAIS have had much less “masculinization” than the average 46,XX woman because their cells do not respond to androgens.

Moreover, the SRY gene can be translocated onto an X chromosome (so that a 46,XX person may develop along a typical masculine pathway), and there are dozens of genes on chromosomes other than the X and the Y that contribute to sexual differentiation. And beyond the genes, a person’s sex development can be significantly influenced by environmental factors (including the maternal uterine environment in which the fetus developed).

So it is simply incorrect to think that you can tell a person’s sex just looking at whether he or she has a Y chromosome."

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6/23/2014 6:15am
crusher773 wrote:
I don't see the issue born a boy. Then you are a boy. Born a girl then you are a girl. Pretty simple.
x100 Kinda hard to get it mixed up I would think, Not in today's world though !
zippy895 wrote:
its not a choice whether you want to have male or female traits.if it was a choice, when did you decide regarding your own .. example,my...
its not a choice whether you want to have male or female traits.if it was a choice, when did you decide regarding your own ..
example,my cousin was gay,she didn't choose that path as an option.she just went with it.rip.
I couldn't understand it either,till somebody asked me when I chose to be male.i'm like,what? I was born male,i didn't choose anything,i went with it. that person said,"exactly"!

I think you proved their point, just as someone doesn't have a choice as to whether they are gay or not, they don't have a choice on what sex they are when they are born. Just because someone has a mental illness that makes them believe they are different than what they are born as, doesn't make it so. We aren't talking about their right to live freely, most don't have a problem with that, we're talking about athletic competition. The idea that some of you think it's ok for a 25+ man to race against 14+ girls so you can show how enlightened you are is laughable.
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6/23/2014 6:22am
Vital monkeys discussing genetics is fun. It's like watching a raccoon fix a computer.
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6/23/2014 6:56am Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 7:10am
Stuff like this is a good reminder of how fucked in the head some people can be. A lot of bigoted cunts showing their true colors in here.

As for the gender/sex issue of this person, 0 fucks given. The physical side of things in regards to motocross? Needs more insight that I have, but my gut says let her race with the girls provided there has been hormone and surgical procedures under taken to actually change sex.

I've always considered height to be the main physical advantage for men in this sport anyway, and that's hardly an issue, just look at RC. Women being slower in general seem psychological to me. Would make for some interesting research.
6/23/2014 7:02am
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How you feel on the inside is exactly what chooses your gender. Why do people not take the time to read up on what gender is...
How you feel on the inside is exactly what chooses your gender. Why do people not take the time to read up on what gender is? Gender is what you feel; what you want. Sex is what your body shows that you are.

And YOU are a hopeless bigot, just like you write about
A man is born a male, but says he "feels" like a female, and im a bigot for saying "no, his genetics and chromosomes say he is male"? Lol. Whatever buddie. you know, people are still mentally ill in this world;thinking youre a woman trapped in a mans body used to be a mental abberration. It took two decades of liberal infiltration of the sciences and , whatta ya know! Its now a lifestyle choice! ( not to mention a new bloc of victims the liberals can pander to). Whatever.
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6/23/2014 7:03am
I definitely want to follow this story because if they reverse the dq then I'm going to race the women's class next year.
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6/23/2014 7:03am
crusher773 wrote:
I don't see the issue born a boy. Then you are a boy. Born a girl then you are a girl. Pretty simple.
x100 Kinda hard to get it mixed up I would think, Not in today's world though !
zippy895 wrote:
its not a choice whether you want to have male or female traits.if it was a choice, when did you decide regarding your own .. example,my...
its not a choice whether you want to have male or female traits.if it was a choice, when did you decide regarding your own ..
example,my cousin was gay,she didn't choose that path as an option.she just went with it.rip.
I couldn't understand it either,till somebody asked me when I chose to be male.i'm like,what? I was born male,i didn't choose anything,i went with it. that person said,"exactly"!

I didn't choose to be male, I was born with a PECKER !!! There is no choice on being born male or female, You are equipped for the job when you get here, Now any DECISION you make after that is exactly that, a decision. Im not hating on people's decisions, to each his own !
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According to the new "Bathroom Bill" in Maryland, a person can use whatever facilities they think is appropriate and prohibiting it is discrimination. So a 45 year old "man" who thinks he is a woman can use the bathroom with our 5 year old daughters.....





http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/maryland-senate-passes-…




I can't agree to that!
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6/23/2014 7:13am
Also, Danielle should say fine and come back next year and win in the 250B male class. Should be motivation.
6/23/2014 7:22am Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 7:24am
This is certainly a grey issue. This person shouldn't be discriminated against yet it is not fair to the female racers. Technically speaking if you are for a transgender racing in the women's class then if you follow that logic further to be consistent you would be okay if transgender people competed in college athletics under scholarship. That could mean that every person on one team could be transgender creating a significant unfair advantage. Transgender people would be able to get scholarships that they otherwise wouldn't be able to taking opportunity away from someone else. In my opinion it would be discrimination if a promoter said they can not race (in the men's class) because they are transgender. This person is not being discriminated against because they are transgender they are simply not able to race in whatever class they choose. What if a 20 year old considered themselves a 14 year old, should they then be able to race in the schoolboy class?
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I didn't choose to be male, I was born with a PECKER !!! There is no choice on being born male or female, You are equipped...
I didn't choose to be male, I was born with a PECKER !!! There is no choice on being born male or female, You are equipped for the job when you get here, Now any DECISION you make after that is exactly that, a decision. Im not hating on people's decisions, to each his own !
so at what age did you decide ?
6/23/2014 7:33am
This is certainly a grey issue. This person shouldn't be discriminated against yet it is not fair to the female racers. Technically speaking if you are...
This is certainly a grey issue. This person shouldn't be discriminated against yet it is not fair to the female racers. Technically speaking if you are for a transgender racing in the women's class then if you follow that logic further to be consistent you would be okay if transgender people competed in college athletics under scholarship. That could mean that every person on one team could be transgender creating a significant unfair advantage. Transgender people would be able to get scholarships that they otherwise wouldn't be able to taking opportunity away from someone else. In my opinion it would be discrimination if a promoter said they can not race (in the men's class) because they are transgender. This person is not being discriminated against because they are transgender they are simply not able to race in whatever class they choose. What if a 20 year old considered themselves a 14 year old, should they then be able to race in the schoolboy class?
Exactly. There are adults that have the mind of a pre-teen to teenager. I guess we need to start letting them ride the 85 class.
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6/23/2014 7:39am
This story/situation came to light in Wisconsin months ago at the beginning of the year.
There are pics/documentation out there about the birth certificate, the name/gender change application with the state, as well as results in the men's class under the birth name.
This man is pre-op, in other words, still has external plumbing. I'm not sure about the hormone treatments or anything else.
He is a very good rider though. I took my son riding earlier this year and he was there riding. Probably the second fastest rider on the track. The fastest rider on the track was a real woman who has been the fastest REAL female in Wisconsin for a LONG time. Kirsten Raemisch. Mr West even called her out saying he'd beat her at the next race, if she dared. Kirsten promptly went and beat his ass!
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Yo can we all stop being stupid, Please?

FFS, the "girl" was born as a boy, meaning "she" has all the physical advantages of being male. Lets not be stupid and try to say that girls are as physically capable as guys, because they just arent. Period.

Given a man and a woman, who both train just as hard, a man will always be stronger, faster, etc. Case in point- Serena Williams (who we all think is some god at tennis) couldnt beat the 200th ranked male player.

Im not against transgender or anything like that, but lets take a mathematical approach to this. Even though he wants to be a girl, "she" will always have the strength and coordination advantages that go along with being male.

INB4 "oooh youre some sort of sexist oooohh" Im just being realistic
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6/23/2014 7:50am
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Yo can we all stop being stupid, Please? FFS, the "girl" was born as a boy, meaning "she" has all the physical advantages of being male...
Yo can we all stop being stupid, Please?

FFS, the "girl" was born as a boy, meaning "she" has all the physical advantages of being male. Lets not be stupid and try to say that girls are as physically capable as guys, because they just arent. Period.

Given a man and a woman, who both train just as hard, a man will always be stronger, faster, etc. Case in point- Serena Williams (who we all think is some god at tennis) couldnt beat the 200th ranked male player.

Im not against transgender or anything like that, but lets take a mathematical approach to this. Even though he wants to be a girl, "she" will always have the strength and coordination advantages that go along with being male.

INB4 "oooh youre some sort of sexist oooohh" Im just being realistic
with that said,put her in 1 class higher in womens,or run what ever class she would normally be in mens.
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6/23/2014 8:01am
If your born with Male "features" you should only be able to compete in male competitions... If your born with these features you don't only get increased muscle mass but increased bone density and size. Your upper torso is much larger and your bone density is 10% more that's a huge advantage with leverage.

It is totally unfair to the women if men compete with them... period.
6/23/2014 8:10am
This is certainly a grey issue. This person shouldn't be discriminated against yet it is not fair to the female racers. Technically speaking if you are...
This is certainly a grey issue. This person shouldn't be discriminated against yet it is not fair to the female racers. Technically speaking if you are for a transgender racing in the women's class then if you follow that logic further to be consistent you would be okay if transgender people competed in college athletics under scholarship. That could mean that every person on one team could be transgender creating a significant unfair advantage. Transgender people would be able to get scholarships that they otherwise wouldn't be able to taking opportunity away from someone else. In my opinion it would be discrimination if a promoter said they can not race (in the men's class) because they are transgender. This person is not being discriminated against because they are transgender they are simply not able to race in whatever class they choose. What if a 20 year old considered themselves a 14 year old, should they then be able to race in the schoolboy class?
Using logic will get you accused of bigotry, pal.
6/23/2014 8:13am
moto38 wrote:
Yo can we all stop being stupid, Please? FFS, the "girl" was born as a boy, meaning "she" has all the physical advantages of being male...
Yo can we all stop being stupid, Please?

FFS, the "girl" was born as a boy, meaning "she" has all the physical advantages of being male. Lets not be stupid and try to say that girls are as physically capable as guys, because they just arent. Period.

Given a man and a woman, who both train just as hard, a man will always be stronger, faster, etc. Case in point- Serena Williams (who we all think is some god at tennis) couldnt beat the 200th ranked male player.

Im not against transgender or anything like that, but lets take a mathematical approach to this. Even though he wants to be a girl, "she" will always have the strength and coordination advantages that go along with being male.

INB4 "oooh youre some sort of sexist oooohh" Im just being realistic
They should set up camps for bigots like you; a place for you to "concentrate" on how wrong you are. Lol. Ill be right next to you, concentrating like a motherfucker.


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6/23/2014 8:17am
Logic and reason are immoral ... only feelings matter, but only if those feelings are the correct feelings.
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There are numerous lawsuits currently where "trans" females(actually males) want to use the ladies restrooms and arent allowed. Also a suit where a 9 year old...
There are numerous lawsuits currently where "trans" females(actually males) want to use the ladies restrooms and arent allowed. Also a suit where a 9 year old boy wasnt allowed to wear dresses to school. Jesus christ people, do we really have to have a debate on how fucked up things like this are? Are we all hopeless bigots for saying that "how you feel inside" does not a gender make? I honestly think this is bizarro world sometimes.
You're very articulate and spot on. Go BiG Blue!
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6/23/2014 8:44am
RbR wrote:
Logic and reason are immoral ... only feelings matter, but only if those feelings are the correct feelings.
Wow. That was a very strong and disturbing statement. Truth.
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6/23/2014 8:49am
women are allowed to compete in "mens" races?

and they want equality?

this is where I get off the bus.

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6/23/2014 8:55am
wow123 wrote:
women are allowed to compete in "mens" races?

and they want equality?

this is where I get off the bus.

Isn't that the one-way street they have in pro golf?

I suspect that dog and pony show would stop the first time they let the men in an LPGA event and they sign up in droves and sweep all the winnings from the regulars.
6/23/2014 9:01am
Why aren't women as fast as men?

Doesn't seem like it's a strength issue, Jessica Patterson has to be stronger than Marvin Musquin.
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6/23/2014 9:10am
There's a simple solution to all of this. Take gender out of it and use age group limitations only.

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