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Preston412 5/9/2014 7:42pm
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Huevos wrote:
If I'm not mistaken all of Dodge's diesels are V6's. Interesting that they made a 1/2 ton diesel. Is it also a Cummins?
Preston412 wrote:
No, they are V8's for the 2500.
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You guys are all wrong, the 2500 and 3500s have an inline (or straight) 6.
That is why I corrected myself and stated it was a inline 6. Now, has for the rebadged case motor, we'll to be a vitard, cummins made the motor for case.
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Ram has advanced leaps and bounds with their interiors and powertrains, it's impressive how far they have come. I don't like the ride on their 3500 dually but it's livable. For towing I'd definitely suggest either the diesel or the Hemi, or the 5.0 Ford. The ecoboost is a good engine for an unloaded truck, and it has plenty of power, but it sucks down the fuel under heavier load.
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Preston412 wrote:
Correct, I was looking at a different motor. They have always been a Inline 6 since 1984.
ML512 wrote:
I have another shocker, the inline 6 isn't really a cummins either... It's a rebadged Case engine. Wink
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Not sure where you are getting your info Michael. That's good stuff.... Whistling
Sorry, the current 6.7s are built by cummins, the old 5.9s are the ones I'm thinking of. The basis of those engines were developed in junction between Cummins and Case, based off Case's already existing engines used in their backhoes and other small range equipment. This is before that configuration reached the light-duty truck market.

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TeamGreen 5/9/2014 9:25pm
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About the different cabs & having enough room...or not...

The Quad-cab is just an extended-cab. The actual Crew-Cab is pretty huge.
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Why would you buy one that wasn't loaded ? I always get Leather,heated power seats, Top of the line sound with navigation remote start keyless entry...
Why would you buy one that wasn't loaded ? I always get Leather,heated power seats, Top of the line sound with navigation remote start keyless entry etc etc. If you are going to get something you spend a lot of time driving then get the luxury. I order most of the time because I am picky and I want it to have everything I want but I also spend lots of time researching and test driving to make up my mind, I have never bought a diesel either and I am not set on one manufacture so I can pick and choose.I think I might get a Raptor next but not sure.
I don't like Leather seats and Heated seats are of no use here. I have Navigation on my phone.

I like Cloth seats, I don't put a lot of miles , Necessities for me are Cruise Control, blue tooth and Air Conditioning. After that I want to be able to haul and do some work out of it, I don't want something with a bunch of extra shit that weathers and breaks in this AZ sun and heat. I like to spend the money on extra towing and bigger engines / more power.
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I think those 1500 Dodges look awesome on the outside. Haven't seen the inside yet but that instrument cluster looks cheaper and crappier than a $15...
I think those 1500 Dodges look awesome on the outside. Haven't seen the inside yet but that instrument cluster looks cheaper and crappier than a $15 a day rental car but I guess it is the budget edition.... They screwed that up though.

Also I wouldn't get too wrapped up in that diesel boys. One would think that because it's a diesel it'll tow better right? Nope. Check that before you buy boys because a loaded up crew cab diesel 4x4 is only rated to tow 7,650 lbs compared to 9,750lbs for the Hemi powered Dodge and 9,200 in the Ecoboost Ford. Now if all your hauling around is a bass boat it'll do fine but for people that think this thing is gonna tow better than their current Hemi powered Dodge or a 1500 or F150 think again. The diesel is cranking out 420 ft lbs of torque same as an Ecoboost but it's only got 240hp compared to 365hp in the Ecoboost. Hemi is 395hp and 410 on the torque. Not sure what the Chevy has. Also on the gas mileage check your local fuel prices because where I'm at diesel is 20% more expensive than gas so just to break even your gonna need 20% better fuel economy which it appears to do but whatever is left is gonna take you a long time to make up the $2,850 that Dodge is charging for the diesel. Plus you gotta handle cat pissWoohoo

By the way I'm not hating on Dodge I was hell bent on getting one of these things a few months ago until I started running the numbers and then I saw Ford is coming out with a 2.7 Ecoboost and going on weight watchers so I'll wait to see what that's all about because the diesel just doesn't justify the cost with the current fuel prices.

If Kenny T is getting 22-23 in a Hemi and fuel is 60 cents a gallon cheaper that diesel is a bust cause that Hemi will blow the doors off the diesel.
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The cluster is really simple & very old-School Mopar; but, the info-center in the middle is very functional & has all sorts of data avail. It...
The cluster is really simple & very old-School Mopar; but, the info-center in the middle is very functional & has all sorts of data avail. It looks a lot like an old analog muscle car, to me.

I love the Ford Boost motors; but, the Ram diesel's mileage and real-world-torque are gonna be hard to match w/ the new lil' booster. The towing limitation may be the 4 (or 5?) link rear-suspension. The new Ford 3.5 booster is suppose to make even MORE torque in '15? Damn! & I think the 5.0 V8 7-lug F-150s tow 10 to 12k...?

I'm thinking the best bang for the buck might be a std V6 in any of the Big 3's trucks.
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Yea I agree it's all what somebody wants at the end of the day they are all great trucks. I really really really wanted a red...
Yea I agree it's all what somebody wants at the end of the day they are all great trucks.

I really really really wanted a red Laramie Crew 4x4 diesel. Those things look awesome. But the numbers just don't justify the diesel for me. At the end of the day it cost more with less performance than the Hemi and the better mpg doesn't cancel the up front money (also if your financing that 2,850), added cost of fuel, animal piss and more expensive maintenance. The Hemi is a powerful proven platform that's bulletproof while the diesel is new and unproven. If I go with the Dodge it'll be a Hemi.

The light weight towing doesn't bother me because I never tow any more than about 4,000lbs so that's not a show stopper I am looking for better economy over towing 10k. That new F150 3.5 booster is supposed to be nasty. Imagine more torque than it has now and it drops 700lbs.... What I'm interested in is the 2.7. I imagine it will be in the performance range of the 1500 Dodge diesel. It will probably tow about the same and they are speculating about 305 horsepower and maybe 320 or 340 on the torque. So it'll have 40 or so more horsepower than the Dodge diesel but about 100 less ft lbs of torque. But with a 700lbs weight reduction I think performance wise it'll be right there with the Dodge diesel. The difference will be it will probably be like the 3.5 boost and be a $1,000 option and with Ford claiming it's a "game changer" people are speculating it'll get the same economy as the Dodge diesel but it'll do it on fuel that is 60 cents a gallon cheaper. That will be the difference. I guess time will tell.


What we really need is a truck that runs on natural gas. Then we are in businessWink
Ford is putting one out this year only in a half ton model
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Have you tried AC seats 500guy? They might suit your fancy!!
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TeamGreen wrote:
About the different cabs & having enough room...or not...

The Quad-cab is just an extended-cab. The actual Crew-Cab is pretty huge.
The 2500 crew has about the same size doors as a chevy, even the 1500 Chev/GM at 37" the Ford is about 36 or so.
Dodge screwed the pooch with its wanna be crew cab. Thats a deal killer for me.

personally I like MegaCabs.

Dodges 6 foot short bed pisses me off. Youd think they could match ford and gms 6 1/2.
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takitimu 5/10/2014 2:41am
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Thanks, I am shifting state side & this is the truck I am looking to get, had a good look at the NY Car show.

I'd like another diesel, I have one back home, but the numbers don't really stack up, so the 5.7 will win out I think.

I'm really curious how much you used the Ram Box, I love the concept, but concept & practise don't always follow.

As you said TG the crew cab is pretty dang big, sure the quad is tight, but not sure how big you'd have to be to not fit in a crew cab, but I'd not argue with anyone that huge.

Oh last thing, was the way the back seat floor can be totally flat useful ( though might just be a crew cab thing ).
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I don't like Leather seats and Heated seats are of no use here. I have Navigation on my phone. I like Cloth seats, I don't put...
I don't like Leather seats and Heated seats are of no use here. I have Navigation on my phone.

I like Cloth seats, I don't put a lot of miles , Necessities for me are Cruise Control, blue tooth and Air Conditioning. After that I want to be able to haul and do some work out of it, I don't want something with a bunch of extra shit that weathers and breaks in this AZ sun and heat. I like to spend the money on extra towing and bigger engines / more power.
This.

I don't understand why I have to buy all the bullshit in order to get a decent looking truck. All I need is A/C, a radio with a link to my phone and steering wheel controls.

I know that most Americans feel the need to have more gadgets than the next guy and are willing to stick their heads under water to get it but I wish the manufacturers would build a dumbed down version that doesn't look like the cheap ass work truck models.
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Talkin bout girls, talkin bout trucks.
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Depends where you live. I tried to buy a plain no frills GMC last time. The salespeople in Wy would tell you the truth, they sell ten or twenty at a time to the oil, coal ect. and won't work with you on price. The fully loaded one I ended up with was in central Nebraska, 8k cheaper. I dig the onstar though, scan codes and sometimes fix it on the road, no shop involved. The carpet and leather seats lead a violent life.
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MR. X 5/10/2014 7:20am
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I can't believe nobody has mentioned that pick up trucks DON'T need a fucking carpet on the floor , rubber flooring should be the standard.
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Indy mxer 5/10/2014 7:42am
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I too thought this truck sounded good until I ran the numbers. Unless you really need one, diesels just aren't worth the extra money.
I have a 2011 Ford 150 FX4 4wd w/Ecoboost. I get about 18mpg around town and 20 on the highway. But when I pull my 6x12 enclosed trailer with my bike in it it drops a bunch down to 10 to 12. I love the truck . It pulls like a V8. Plenty of power and torque.

I'm really looking forward to checking out the 2015 F 150. Sounds like it could be a great truck.
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MR. X wrote:
I can't believe nobody has mentioned that pick up trucks DON'T need a fucking carpet on the floor , rubber flooring should be the standard.
^^^THIS!!! ^^^ BUT...
I love my '03 5.9 quad long bed and with Magnflow, Edge EZ, Air Dog and Air Bag mods. It will roll freeways at 23 mpg and yes tow anything I'd ever need to hook up to. It's into 6 digits, but plan on tripping that OD 3 more times. I wanted this to be my last Grandpa truck, but the manufactures keep pushing Features and Benefits, so I may have to Annie back in... in another 5 years LOL
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Markee 5/10/2014 8:00am
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I own a 1500 with a gas v6. I get 25-27mpg average. It's awesome. Last week loaded down with bike, gear, pet and wife @ 75mph with a/c cranked it actually got 25mpg, not sure if it kicked into a super overdrive being that it uses a 8 speed transmission.
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racerx217 5/10/2014 8:07am
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When did 17.8 become a good number? This is avg for me one way to the track i ride at with one bike and gear in the back. Newer 14 silverado with the 5.3.

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Xracer 5/10/2014 8:14am
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TeamGreen wrote:
About the different cabs & having enough room...or not...

The Quad-cab is just an extended-cab. The actual Crew-Cab is pretty huge.
JordanB wrote:
The 2500 crew has about the same size doors as a chevy, even the 1500 Chev/GM at 37" the Ford is about 36 or so. Dodge...
The 2500 crew has about the same size doors as a chevy, even the 1500 Chev/GM at 37" the Ford is about 36 or so.
Dodge screwed the pooch with its wanna be crew cab. Thats a deal killer for me.

personally I like MegaCabs.

Dodges 6 foot short bed pisses me off. Youd think they could match ford and gms 6 1/2.
You can get the 6 1/2 foot bed on a crew ram starting in 14', on a 1500 also.
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Xracer 5/10/2014 8:26am
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racerx217 wrote:
When did 17.8 become a good number? This is avg for me one way to the track i ride at with one bike and gear in...
When did 17.8 become a good number? This is avg for me one way to the track i ride at with one bike and gear in the back. Newer 14 silverado with the 5.3.

Nice try...let's see the avg speed, cuz that isn't happening on the freeway. My 14' ram 5.7 8-speed will pull 28 mpg all day at 50 mph where it loafs along at 1200rpm on 4 cylinders. But above 70 when it's firing all 8 and pushing a lot of air out of the way, it's closer to 21-23, and so is yours. The difference is that I have 400hp and 407ft pounds if I need it. That's a nice quiet truck you have there though. Now post a photo of a 300 or 400 mile average, including speed, and I'll do the same
keyboardjockey750 5/10/2014 8:29am
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Indy mxer wrote:
I too thought this truck sounded good until I ran the numbers. Unless you really need one, diesels just aren't worth the extra money. I have...
I too thought this truck sounded good until I ran the numbers. Unless you really need one, diesels just aren't worth the extra money.
I have a 2011 Ford 150 FX4 4wd w/Ecoboost. I get about 18mpg around town and 20 on the highway. But when I pull my 6x12 enclosed trailer with my bike in it it drops a bunch down to 10 to 12. I love the truck . It pulls like a V8. Plenty of power and torque.

I'm really looking forward to checking out the 2015 F 150. Sounds like it could be a great truck.
Exactly. If you actually run the numbers the diesel is a bust. If your getting a Dodge your way better off with the proven Hemi.
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MR. X 5/10/2014 8:53am
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Funny this thread came up ,my buddy sent me this pic a few days ago form his 2005 3/4 ton cummins ram , he has a bigger exhaust and bullydog . He likes to try and get the best mileage possible so he short shifts and takes off slow during his 30 mile drive to work.

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kyle450rider 5/10/2014 9:08am
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The new Diesel engine that Dodge is putting in the Rams was designed by a company for GM in Europe and was going to be put in all the caddilacs over there just before the recession. GM dropped it and when Fiat took Chysler over they bought the company that build the engine for GM and decided to run it in the ram. It's cool they are doing it but I'm still kicking myself for not getting an F150 Ecoboost when I bought my F150.
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CarlinoJoeVideo 5/10/2014 9:09am
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I wish I got 30mpg in my tundra. I give up...
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takitimu wrote:
Thanks, I am shifting state side & this is the truck I am looking to get, had a good look at the NY Car show. I'd...
Thanks, I am shifting state side & this is the truck I am looking to get, had a good look at the NY Car show.

I'd like another diesel, I have one back home, but the numbers don't really stack up, so the 5.7 will win out I think.

I'm really curious how much you used the Ram Box, I love the concept, but concept & practise don't always follow.

As you said TG the crew cab is pretty dang big, sure the quad is tight, but not sure how big you'd have to be to not fit in a crew cab, but I'd not argue with anyone that huge.

Oh last thing, was the way the back seat floor can be totally flat useful ( though might just be a crew cab thing ).
The Ram Box was super useful for tools, oil, boots...parts...etc. Haven't tried to put a helmet in there, yet.

The flat floor was a fold out feature that is about 5 inches above floor-level. I've seen it in the older Quad-Cabs & think they still have it avail. The rear seat folds up and the floor system provides a large flat area that does take up all the avail floor with the frt seats all the way back.

As for mlg? I own a '14 Siverado Crew 5.3L 6.5' bed LTZ...it doesn't get 20+ mpg when I go from Redding to Dana Point at waaaay faster than legal speeds...it get's 18. The Ram Quad Hemi got 20.1. At times the Ram would exceed 100 mph...my Chevy doesn't like that without being re-flashed.

I'm still a little more stoked on the Chevy interior...the Ram's stereo does when the Rock-Out wars, tho.

At this point the Hemi does seem a little more frugal than my GM; but, my GM is waaaay more Cab and a bit more bed: Chevy wins that argument (bed).
keyboardjockey750 5/10/2014 9:43am
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MR. X wrote:
Funny this thread came up ,my buddy sent me this pic a few days ago form his 2005 3/4 ton cummins ram , he has a...
Funny this thread came up ,my buddy sent me this pic a few days ago form his 2005 3/4 ton cummins ram , he has a bigger exhaust and bullydog . He likes to try and get the best mileage possible so he short shifts and takes off slow during his 30 mile drive to work.

I can take a picture of my truck getting 60, 70, or 80 mpg if you want.

That truck ain't getting 31mpg over a tank of gas.
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MR. X 5/10/2014 9:47am
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No ,you are correct , no way he could pull that off on a regular basis . He just changed settings on the bullydog programmer and that was the best average he has seen on his drive to work . Sorry for lack of info.
keyboardjockey750 5/10/2014 9:57am
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No ,you are correct , no way he could pull that off on a regular basis . He just changed settings on the bullydog programmer and...
No ,you are correct , no way he could pull that off on a regular basis . He just changed settings on the bullydog programmer and that was the best average he has seen on his drive to work . Sorry for lack of info.
No problem. What does he say he gets on average normally with those mods?
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I just sent him text

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mxdude105 5/10/2014 11:51am
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It's about time one of the Big Three started offering diesels in half tons. That said I believe its a premium option which means you're gonna have to get all the frills along with it. Not sure about you guys but I think $55k for a PICKUP TRUCK is absolutely ridiculous. IMO the kinds of people who actually need to use a truck for its intended purpose cant afford them anymore (as opposed to rich dudes going mall-crawling with the wife and kid).

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