Hate The Numbering System (...again)

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Edited Date/Time 5/2/2014 1:37am
While watching the replay of the NY/NJ Supercross, I started thinking about the FIM name on the series.. And how the numbering systems are so different between the two (AMA and FIM)

My opinion, either have permanent numbers or don't.. for everyone. And why not let guys choose a 3 digit number if there are multiple 3 digit guys on the track when they are racing? Afraid fans cant figure it out? AC222 has no problems.. By trying to eliminate confusion, i think they have mixed two good systems into one F'd up mess.

End rant. What's your opinion?
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MX Culture 4/30/2014 8:14pm
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agreed, it's terrible
but nobody is listening, or cares
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I agree with you on one thing, I do not like how the AMA does not allow a rider to pick a permanent three digit number. Everyone knows 800, 377, and 338 were good.

And if everyone was allowed to pick a permanent number as long as you got like 50 points in a year or something along those lines it would really help marketability, I think it looks kind of funny with someone wearing a #38 Trey Canard shirt from 2011 when he could have always had whatever permanent number he selected is 2008 and ran that for his entire career.
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sumdood 5/1/2014 1:05am
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If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx and sx would be separate, 1 # for each series. And fuck the "Casual" fan, all they need to know is the lower the number the more of a badass the guy is, easy.
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jamma10 5/1/2014 1:10am
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sumdood wrote:
If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx...
If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx and sx would be separate, 1 # for each series. And fuck the "Casual" fan, all they need to know is the lower the number the more of a badass the guy is, easy.

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VET176 5/1/2014 1:29am
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sumdood wrote:
If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx...
If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx and sx would be separate, 1 # for each series. And fuck the "Casual" fan, all they need to know is the lower the number the more of a badass the guy is, easy.
Yup, sounds good to me.
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I still remember when the numbering system represented how well you finished the year before. The lower the number, the better the rider, or so to speak. It really was a simple system to figure out. Even an idiot could tell that 11 was better than 27. I still can't figure out how this new shit works. Career numbers in the singles for champions, unless there aren't any left, lower two digit numbers for good non champions, but some of those can be career numbers, I think. Higher two digit numbers that are non career numbers, unless someone finished well enough to earn a career number that wants the higher two digit number, but can't choose a three digit number, then three digit numbers for noobs. Did I get that right, because I'm not really sure what I just said.
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frita 5/1/2014 3:19am
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sumdood wrote:
If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx...
If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx and sx would be separate, 1 # for each series. And fuck the "Casual" fan, all they need to know is the lower the number the more of a badass the guy is, easy.
Good luck getting guys like Chad or James to go with that. The have built big brands from their racing numbers. The current system is fair and pretty much as good as it gets.
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sumdood wrote:
If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx...
If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx and sx would be separate, 1 # for each series. And fuck the "Casual" fan, all they need to know is the lower the number the more of a badass the guy is, easy.
frita wrote:
Good luck getting guys like Chad or James to go with that. The have built big brands from their racing numbers. The current system is fair...
Good luck getting guys like Chad or James to go with that. The have built big brands from their racing numbers. The current system is fair and pretty much as good as it gets.
except its not
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IWreckALot 5/1/2014 4:46am
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I wish we could make a list of things a majority of riders and/or fans want fixed and then prioritize that list. I have a feeling the numbering system would be relatively low on that list. Although it's a legit topic for discussion. I just think if we're going to ask for fixes, I'd rather go for a more significant fix.
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sumdood wrote:
If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx...
If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx and sx would be separate, 1 # for each series. And fuck the "Casual" fan, all they need to know is the lower the number the more of a badass the guy is, easy.
VET176 wrote:
Yup, sounds good to me.
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sumdood wrote:
If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx...
If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx and sx would be separate, 1 # for each series. And fuck the "Casual" fan, all they need to know is the lower the number the more of a badass the guy is, easy.
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Radical 5/1/2014 12:00pm
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I think career numbers are a good thing for our sport. As a fan, it wouldn't bother me to have numbers change once a year. But for sponsors, it's important to be able to build a brand around a rider, and the number is crucial for that.
If we want sponsor dollars, numbers need to stick with riders as much as possible.
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sumdood wrote:
If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx...
If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx and sx would be separate, 1 # for each series. And fuck the "Casual" fan, all they need to know is the lower the number the more of a badass the guy is, easy.
New numbers every year would be lame, since often times the number is the ONLY obvious indicator of who's who.

My only complaint with the current system, if I was forced to come up with one, is that a lot of relatively well-known riders still have different numbers each year and it takes a while to memorize (especially since these are usually 250 guys and have team mates running the exact same bike/gear).

I didn't know you couldn't pick a 3-digit as a career number, that's not cool.
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dazzlindino 5/1/2014 12:58pm
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screw numbers...let'em put letters and wurdz on the plates..
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dazzlindino 5/1/2014 12:59pm
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doubly posteded....
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sumdood wrote:
If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx...
If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx and sx would be separate, 1 # for each series. And fuck the "Casual" fan, all they need to know is the lower the number the more of a badass the guy is, easy.
yeah...what would reeds team be called if this has been the case?

"chad reed motorsports"?
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Switch 5/1/2014 3:10pm
5/1/2014 3:10pm Edited Date/Time 5/1/2014 3:14pm
Another way to look at it:

The guys that don't rely on the money (at this point) to get to the races, RV, Reed, Stewart, etc, get to market themselves for bigger money based on a permanent number. Examples being TwoTwo Motorsports and Seven gear.

The guys that DO rely on the money, get tossed a random number and no ability to make a name for it.

And to top it off, your points in a regional series, 250 supercross, count towards a NATIONAL number. Huh?

Seven duece duece is exhibit A, using the pulp show to get the name out there. Is he going to start a gear company? No, but allowing them to make money off their own merchandise after choosing a number brings money into the sport, not just the promoters pockets.. Everyone wins.
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DPR250R 5/1/2014 6:08pm
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New numbers every year sucks. Sorry... but the way it used to be sucked... I thought it did then too. Pretty much as much as the monster truck guy voice.. or god voice. Whatever BS you want to call it. That voice should be next on the hit list.

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sumdood 5/2/2014 12:08am
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sumdood wrote:
If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx...
If I ran the zoo your number this year would be wherever you finished last year. No permament numbers, 3 digit # guys included. And mx and sx would be separate, 1 # for each series. And fuck the "Casual" fan, all they need to know is the lower the number the more of a badass the guy is, easy.
frita wrote:
Good luck getting guys like Chad or James to go with that. The have built big brands from their racing numbers. The current system is fair...
Good luck getting guys like Chad or James to go with that. The have built big brands from their racing numbers. The current system is fair and pretty much as good as it gets.
Good question, I've wondered about that too. What happens when "JS7" and CR-"Two Two" are no longer #7 and #22 ?

I'm sorry but semi permament numbers are stupid. Word association, who do you think of first ? Go !

#2

RV or MC ?

#5

La Rocco or Dungey ?

#3

Tomac or Brown ?

#4

RC or BB ?

#11

Yogi, Travis Preston or Kyle Chisholm ?

#10

Fonseca or Brayton ?

#6

Lamson or ...Lamson I guess ? Who the fuck is #6 now ? Anyone ? No one ?

#19

Henry or Martin ? No brainer there right ? Ok I'll stop. Just my opinion of course but when they went to semi-permament or whatever they call it now they fixed something that wasn't broken. And why Stewart and Reed would start business's with a number that will be associated with someone else in a short time doesn't make any sense to me. But hey whatever I'm just some dude on the internet, my opinion don't mean shit, Carry on ! Laughing
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oldAFI 5/2/2014 1:37am
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Another thing worth mentioning is the size of the number. Some numbers are too small to see from a distance and this is particularly problem-some outdoors.

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