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IceMan446 wrote:
Everts would NOT have been able to beat RC in a series. Everts might have done well but no one at that time could beat RC...
Everts would NOT have been able to beat RC in a series. Everts might have done well but no one at that time could beat RC consistently. James was the only guy that had the ability to turn it up when RC did, everyone else just fell by the wayside.

Dreamland bro, dreamland.
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lol...people used to say that about decoster when hannah went head to head with the man...hannah looked so fast and roger...looked not so fast. the checkers...
lol...people used to say that about decoster when hannah went head to head with the man...hannah looked so fast and roger...looked not so fast. the checkers dont lie though do they boy.

to disrespect everts..especially from a shit head punk like you is near blasphamous
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How was I disrespecting Everts??? Did I say he was slow, or a B rated rider compared to RC? I said over an ENTIRE series he...
How was I disrespecting Everts???

Did I say he was slow, or a B rated rider compared to RC?

I said over an ENTIRE series he wouldnt be able to be RC. Thats MY opinion. Fuck that have to do with disrespecting him?

Old fucks like you always bring up "back in my day" fact of the matter is no one will ever know the truth about RC vs. Everts.
There are people on here that might think the same of us talking about RC and Everts,history is history afterall

No one mentioned a series,I guess most are assuming it's if Everts went AMA,if that were the case I think he could well have nicked a championship here and there,especially if he's been there a while,he was easily more of a natural talent than Tortelli (ironically him crashing handed Seb his title) and Albee,and Everts was indeed faster in later years,as the 4 stroke era rolled on

If they're in Europe obviously Everts would've won his share,Stewart could hang with RC and Everts took care of him at Donnington ok,bring on some rain,sand and GP tracks and I see it much the same as RV and Cairoli nowadays,each having it more there own way at "home" but after setting in they could well lose some
overthebars39 4/18/2014 2:09pm
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Huevos wrote:
Ah' 98. Yes, I remember that ONE race. Did Everts lap the entire field? I honestly don't know.
overthebars39 wrote:
Just like that one race where RC lapped the field when the lapped riders where stuck in the mud. Atleast the field was moving in 1998.
Huevos wrote:
This whole conversation is about who would have beat who over the course of an entire season. RC never lost a title. He was also no...
This whole conversation is about who would have beat who over the course of an entire season. RC never lost a title. He was also no slouch in the mud. That's the only point I'm trying to make here.
This conversation (wich you particpate in since you requoted me) was about RC trashing anybody in the mud, that point was made not valid by the 1998 foxholl example. Added to that the whole field was stuck when RC lapped them AND RC called out 72 as the best mudracer he battled. So brimx153 had a fair point that you tried to dismiss.

to add to the convo about the fact that someone could steal a championship from RC: Not in the nationals.
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I think Villopoto is an amazing champion, great combo of speed and race craft. Dungey is consistent great champion with speed that IMO is just a...
I think Villopoto is an amazing champion, great combo of speed and race craft. Dungey is consistent great champion with speed that IMO is just a notch below. But IMO those 3 (Ricky, Chad and James the 2006 versions) would be the cream of the crop nowadays.
Dreamland.

RV would fit in just fine with JS and RC, and Dungey would be back in 4th with Reed.
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I think Villopoto is an amazing champion, great combo of speed and race craft. Dungey is consistent great champion with speed that IMO is just a...
I think Villopoto is an amazing champion, great combo of speed and race craft. Dungey is consistent great champion with speed that IMO is just a notch below. But IMO those 3 (Ricky, Chad and James the 2006 versions) would be the cream of the crop nowadays.
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Dreamland.

RV would fit in just fine with JS and RC, and Dungey would be back in 4th with Reed.
Of course it's dreamland, unless of course you have a way back machine?

And IMO Villopoto would chasing Reed. I base this off my eyes seeing a 30+year old Reed running with Villopoto in his prime multiple times. I won't argue this point because it's all opinion of course and nothing can be proven.

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RC's was lucky at Millville, I've seen him drop his bike at Anaheim once in muddy turn and barely could pick it up, then went backwards on the track which was another no-no...James is the only rider to ever beat RC for a championship...
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Robbie Reynard made Carmichael look like a squid in moto 1, Unadilla 1998. Yea, that was the cheeseburger era, yea Robbie got about 16th in the...
Robbie Reynard made Carmichael look like a squid in moto 1, Unadilla 1998. Yea, that was the cheeseburger era, yea Robbie got about 16th in the second moto, but that in that one moto, for 35 minutes or less, Reynard was the FMOTP
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I was there. When RR passed RC wide open by what used to be the vendors corner it was ridiculous how fast he was going. He...
I was there. When RR passed RC wide open by what used to be the vendors corner it was ridiculous how fast he was going. He was so on it that moto. RC didn't know what happened and had no answer.
Yep, I was in that same corner. RR was WFO from the start straight until the drop down to gravity cavity. That was a shocker, no doubt.
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Lots of people had a day where they could beat RC once. It was usually a career highlight for them.

1999 and 2000 were more difficult for him, lots of guys had their day.
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overthebars39 wrote:
Just like that one race where RC lapped the field when the lapped riders where stuck in the mud. Atleast the field was moving in 1998.
Huevos wrote:
This whole conversation is about who would have beat who over the course of an entire season. RC never lost a title. He was also no...
This whole conversation is about who would have beat who over the course of an entire season. RC never lost a title. He was also no slouch in the mud. That's the only point I'm trying to make here.
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This conversation (wich you particpate in since you requoted me) was about RC trashing anybody in the mud, that point was made not valid by the...
This conversation (wich you particpate in since you requoted me) was about RC trashing anybody in the mud, that point was made not valid by the 1998 foxholl example. Added to that the whole field was stuck when RC lapped them AND RC called out 72 as the best mudracer he battled. So brimx153 had a fair point that you tried to dismiss.

to add to the convo about the fact that someone could steal a championship from RC: Not in the nationals.
No. I was stating that RC ripped it in the mud and that just because a hypothetical mud race were to take place with RC and Everts on the line wouldn't guarantee an Everts win over RC for shit. Also, 1998 was RC's second year as a pro. Hardly his prime. I would say '01-'06 were his prime years. Hell, he would have won the title in '07 as well had he felt like finishing the season.

Dont use the excuse that everyone was stuck in the mud as if RC was racing C Class joes out there. James Stewart, Reed, Vuillemin, and Windham. Not even those bad asses could make it around that track without getting stuck or going down. RC didn't. Skill in the mud is why RC never got stuck. I didn't dismiss anything. I just wouldn't consider it a fair assumption that Everts would hands down win any mud race against RC. RC has referred to James Stewart as the most talented rider, but that didn't stop him from beating him regularly.
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McGrath had nothing for RC once he got beat at Anaheim 2 in 2001.
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Tried to post video?
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Way back when RC was just getting started on 60's, his mom told me and my parents that their only goal was to beat Brock Sellards. Well, they did that running away. RC was untouchable until he met up against Shae Bentley and Matt Walker. Those guys always had something for him. I remember sitting in 5th place in Super Mini one year at High Point watching Carmichael, Sellards, Windham, and Josh Sweat battle it out right in front of me doing everything I could to keep them close hoping for a mistake that might move me up. That year, I was jumping the uphill triple behind the gate on my 80 and RC came over and asked if it was easy. I told him the jump itself was no problem, it was the giant hole in the landing area that was the problem. He jumped it once and told me after the race I was the crazy one. Ha ha. I always enjoyed riding and practicing with RC in Monticello. Learned a lot abut work ethic and having no fear.

But on his best days, nobody came close until he retired.
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2006 was pretty awesome... James won 8 races. In those 8 races, RC was 2nd 6 times, and 3rd twice. He was always right there. RC...
2006 was pretty awesome...

James won 8 races. In those 8 races, RC was 2nd 6 times, and 3rd twice. He was always right there.
RC won 5 races. In those 5 races, JS was 2nd once, third 2 times, and way back 2 times. James was not as consistent.

*At A3, James crashed at the start and was dead last...and came back to 8th.
*At St Louis...RC had the same happen...and ultimately only scored only 1 point. James was running in 3rd...caught a rut...and had a small high side...the bike stalled...and he took like a minute to get it started...and ended up scoring only 4 points. Massive lost opportunity. That bike being slow to restart was the title.
*At Daytona, James holeshots...is out front easily...and drops the front going into a turn....losing a ton of points.
*After Daytona...James wins ever race but one. The one he did not win was Dallas, TX. He chased down RC...passed him in the whoops. RC then cartwheels off the track in 2nd. Then James OJs a rythm section out front all by himself...catches a block...goes down...and Chad wins it.

At the end of it all...RC won the title by two points. There can be little doubt that with a more mature and championship oriented approach (or bike that re-started at St Louis), JS would have handily beaten RC in SX in 2006.

No doubt RC is the best overall....given his dominance in both SX and MX... But being the best overall does not mean you can not be beat on any given night. A better question would have been who could beat MC striaght up in SX. There were really only two...Lusk and DV a few times...
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Good breakdown. A truly epic season! If I remember correctly, James' bike wouldn't start after the crash in Dallas either. 19 races of awesome when you...
Good breakdown.

A truly epic season! If I remember correctly, James' bike wouldn't start after the crash in Dallas either. 19 races of awesome when you add in the 2 Canada rounds for the World Championship. James and RC battled in just about all of them, that's why I laugh when people discredit Stew's World title. To best RC in a 19 race series is no small feat and beyond impressive.
Wasn't 2006 the year Ricky's shock spring broke and he scored no points one round too?
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Huevos wrote:
No. I was stating that RC ripped it in the mud and that just because a hypothetical mud race were to take place with RC and...
No. I was stating that RC ripped it in the mud and that just because a hypothetical mud race were to take place with RC and Everts on the line wouldn't guarantee an Everts win over RC for shit. Also, 1998 was RC's second year as a pro. Hardly his prime. I would say '01-'06 were his prime years. Hell, he would have won the title in '07 as well had he felt like finishing the season.

Dont use the excuse that everyone was stuck in the mud as if RC was racing C Class joes out there. James Stewart, Reed, Vuillemin, and Windham. Not even those bad asses could make it around that track without getting stuck or going down. RC didn't. Skill in the mud is why RC never got stuck. I didn't dismiss anything. I just wouldn't consider it a fair assumption that Everts would hands down win any mud race against RC. RC has referred to James Stewart as the most talented rider, but that didn't stop him from beating him regularly.
To be fair, James and Chad did actually get stuck in the mud hahaha...
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BobbyM wrote:
of his game? Not many...if any.

How come you did not post the video of RC's last Supercross Race in Orlando vs Stewart?
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How come you did not post the video of RC's last Supercross Race in Orlando vs Stewart?
How come you did not post the video of RC's last Supercross Race in Orlando vs Stewart?
I really feel like that the 2007 Orlando race is the epitome for the peak maximum level these guys have reached past or present. I dont feel like any form of any current rider has ridden at the extent JS/RC rode did that day.

Just watched the race again, and it was amazing from start to finish. They were absolutely hauling.
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When he was at the top? I'm going to assume that list means from the 2000 outdoor season to the 2006 outdoor season.

Tortelli, McGrath, Windham, Vuillemin, Reed, Stewart. That's all I've got honestly.

For championships though, I don't think anyone in the history of the sport could have beaten him in MX. In SX, I do think he and McGrath would have swapped titles on a consistent basis. As great as Everts was, he wouldn't have had anything for Carmichael throughout the course of a championship. Would Carmichael have less race wins? Absolutely. Less championships? I don't believe so. The only one I do think would have been great to see and a close championship battle is Villopoto. However, that's not a fair comparison because I believe Villopoto has modeled himself after Carmichael. Without Carmichael, I don't think Villopoto is what he is right now.

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Tortelli got the best of RC every once in a while.
Good one !

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Bob's right - Tallon Vohland took a couple moto's out of Ricky. Nor-Cal !
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Brosho wrote:
How come you did not post the video of RC's last Supercross Race in Orlando vs Stewart?
How come you did not post the video of RC's last Supercross Race in Orlando vs Stewart?
Almost positive that Orlando '07 was the day of or day after RC's daughters being born and he flew in last minute after being up all night. That may be a good reason not to put up that race.
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Brosho wrote:
How come you did not post the video of RC's last Supercross Race in Orlando vs Stewart?
How come you did not post the video of RC's last Supercross Race in Orlando vs Stewart?
norcal3737 wrote:
I really feel like that the 2007 Orlando race is the epitome for the peak maximum level these guys have reached past or present. I dont...
I really feel like that the 2007 Orlando race is the epitome for the peak maximum level these guys have reached past or present. I dont feel like any form of any current rider has ridden at the extent JS/RC rode did that day.

Just watched the race again, and it was amazing from start to finish. They were absolutely hauling.
They were hauling. Another race for the ages. As I stated before, those guys brought out the best in each other. Agree that at that event, and some nationals in 2005-2007 no one has ever gone that fast.
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That race was fighter pilot shit right there...
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Big Lenny wrote:
That race was fighter pilot shit right there...
Check it BL, I was sitting 50 yard line 2 rows up for that race. Seen it all from 76 till now, one of the most entertaining artistic races I ever saw. Felt like I was racing, lol. 2 bad dudes.
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keyboardjockey750 wrote:
RV would have showed him the fast way around.
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I think that would be the most interesting "time machine" battle we could see. If somehow RC and Rv2 could go head to head in their...
I think that would be the most interesting "time machine" battle we could see. If somehow RC and Rv2 could go head to head in their primes.

While I think James had them both covered in absolute speed he lacked(at least up until this year) the state of mind to turn it down a notch to actually win the race rather than lawn dart. But an entire season of RC vs Rv2 would be an unreal chess match laced with unreal bursts of speed.
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RV IMO would have gotten smoked by RC, RC was a hard nut to crack...
Throw in some Hannah, DeCoster and JS7...that would be some Must See MXTV
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Brosho wrote:
How come you did not post the video of RC's last Supercross Race in Orlando vs Stewart?
How come you did not post the video of RC's last Supercross Race in Orlando vs Stewart?
norcal3737 wrote:
I really feel like that the 2007 Orlando race is the epitome for the peak maximum level these guys have reached past or present. I dont...
I really feel like that the 2007 Orlando race is the epitome for the peak maximum level these guys have reached past or present. I dont feel like any form of any current rider has ridden at the extent JS/RC rode did that day.

Just watched the race again, and it was amazing from start to finish. They were absolutely hauling.
I recall DV talking about the Orlando race. He said he was more interested in watching RC and JS battle...than in his own race....he was IN the race...in P7 or so!
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Way back when RC was just getting started on 60's, his mom told me and my parents that their only goal was to beat Brock Sellards...
Way back when RC was just getting started on 60's, his mom told me and my parents that their only goal was to beat Brock Sellards. Well, they did that running away. RC was untouchable until he met up against Shae Bentley and Matt Walker. Those guys always had something for him. I remember sitting in 5th place in Super Mini one year at High Point watching Carmichael, Sellards, Windham, and Josh Sweat battle it out right in front of me doing everything I could to keep them close hoping for a mistake that might move me up. That year, I was jumping the uphill triple behind the gate on my 80 and RC came over and asked if it was easy. I told him the jump itself was no problem, it was the giant hole in the landing area that was the problem. He jumped it once and told me after the race I was the crazy one. Ha ha. I always enjoyed riding and practicing with RC in Monticello. Learned a lot abut work ethic and having no fear.

But on his best days, nobody came close until he retired.
Great story! Thanks for sharing.

I saw Kevin Windham win the overall twice at Washougal (once on RM-250 two-stroke and then on the CR-450).

Also saw this > "In 1999, local privateer racer Jason McCormick beat Ricky Carmichael, winning the second moto on a Honda CR 125. He earned a 3rd overall after recording a 5-1 moto score."
http://www.mylucasoil.com/Track%20Spotlight/washougal-mx

Plus, all the hell Bubba could throw his way during RC's heyday.
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RC's was lucky at Millville, I've seen him drop his bike at Anaheim once in muddy turn and barely could pick it up, then went backwards...
RC's was lucky at Millville, I've seen him drop his bike at Anaheim once in muddy turn and barely could pick it up, then went backwards on the track which was another no-no...James is the only rider to ever beat RC for a championship...
Umm he lost the 1997 125ESX his first series, also 1999 and 2000 250SX...........
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Big Lenny wrote:
RC's was lucky at Millville, I've seen him drop his bike at Anaheim once in muddy turn and barely could pick it up, then went backwards...
RC's was lucky at Millville, I've seen him drop his bike at Anaheim once in muddy turn and barely could pick it up, then went backwards on the track which was another no-no...James is the only rider to ever beat RC for a championship...
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Umm he lost the 1997 125ESX his first series, also 1999 and 2000 250SX...........
Also what title did James beat RC in?

The world thing? So Lenny and Heath Voss count that? haha

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