who could beat RC when the GOAT was at the TOP

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of his game? Not many...if any.

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fullfloater 4/18/2014 3:11am
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Two great races - thanks guys
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Thor34103 4/18/2014 3:58am
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Towards the end of RC's career, in SX James had him covered in speed, but didn't know "damage control" like RC did. RC definitely brought out the best in James. Although they had monumental battles outdoors, RC was pretty much untouchable.
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bama205 4/18/2014 4:03am
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That would be a cool list.

Who all as beat RC in a main other than DNFs, etc.

Reed
James
Kevin
Ryan
Jeremy
DV
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plowboy 4/18/2014 4:22am
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Not sure exactly but I bet it's a very small list. Rare as hens teeth. Those that managed the feat probably consider the doing of it the best races of their careers.
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JB 19 4/18/2014 5:25am
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Another good one. MAybe not in his prime. First moto at 27:00

https://youtu.be/1zJk5srO43g
BornA'Lil2Slow 4/18/2014 5:32am
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When RC was on his game for several years on 125's and several years on 250/450, only inspired rides could beat him, one-off lightning strike rides. KW, Ferry in a moto, Reynard come to mind.

JS is the only guy to consistently be able to go "head to head" with RC. Reed could have a night here or there and do it. DV for one season had him covered until he got hurt.

MC to me, gets an asterick just because RC new on a 250 in SX and wasn't on his game yet and once he found his game, he basically retired MC... Jeremy's own words.
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JB 19 4/18/2014 5:39am
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BornA'Lil2Slow wrote:
When RC was on his game for several years on 125's and several years on 250/450, only inspired rides could beat him, one-off lightning strike rides...
When RC was on his game for several years on 125's and several years on 250/450, only inspired rides could beat him, one-off lightning strike rides. KW, Ferry in a moto, Reynard come to mind.

JS is the only guy to consistently be able to go "head to head" with RC. Reed could have a night here or there and do it. DV for one season had him covered until he got hurt.

MC to me, gets an asterick just because RC new on a 250 in SX and wasn't on his game yet and once he found his game, he basically retired MC... Jeremy's own words.
I think it was 03 when Reed won the last 4 or 5 supercross races and Ricky got second.
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Huevos 4/18/2014 5:45am
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If 2001 isn't considered to be in RC's prime, I don't know what is. He won 13 out of 16 sx races, and 7 out of the 11 nationals before stepping down to the 125 for the final round (which he also won) since he wrapped up the title early.
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rcm406 4/18/2014 6:25am
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How short is the list for James when James was on his 125 outdoors! 28 wins out of 31 races!Woohoo
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rcm406 wrote:
How short is the list for James when James was on his 125 outdoors! 28 wins out of 31 races!Woohoo
Travis Preston is laughing. So is Mike Brown.
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Robbie Reynard made Carmichael look like a squid in moto 1, Unadilla 1998. Yea, that was the cheeseburger era, yea Robbie got about 16th in the second moto, but that in that one moto, for 35 minutes or less, Reynard was the FMOTP
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Tortelli got the best of RC every once in a while.
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The best thing about RC was that he wasn't afraid to wick it up to beat some one, specifically James. He pushed James out of his comfort zone and that appeared to be pretty fuckin hard to do. He was to me anyway, the most competitive, refuse to lose racer we have seen in our sport. And 150 total wins and 15 titles (I think), is an absolutely ridiculous number.
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davistld01 4/18/2014 8:03am
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Several riders have beaten RC in his day, but I think what separated him from the rest was his absolute WILL to win, and his refusal to lose. He was the most driven to dominate of any racer I've seen.
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Nostradamus wrote:
Robbie Reynard made Carmichael look like a squid in moto 1, Unadilla 1998. Yea, that was the cheeseburger era, yea Robbie got about 16th in the...
Robbie Reynard made Carmichael look like a squid in moto 1, Unadilla 1998. Yea, that was the cheeseburger era, yea Robbie got about 16th in the second moto, but that in that one moto, for 35 minutes or less, Reynard was the FMOTP
I was there. When RR passed RC wide open by what used to be the vendors corner it was ridiculous how fast he was going. He was so on it that moto. RC didn't know what happened and had no answer.
keyboardjockey750 4/18/2014 8:13am
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RV would have showed him the fast way around.

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keyboardjockey750 wrote:
RV would have showed him the fast way around.
I think that would be the most interesting "time machine" battle we could see. If somehow RC and Rv2 could go head to head in their primes.

While I think James had them both covered in absolute speed he lacked(at least up until this year) the state of mind to turn it down a notch to actually win the race rather than lawn dart. But an entire season of RC vs Rv2 would be an unreal chess match laced with unreal bursts of speed.
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jonesaustin 4/18/2014 8:24am
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McGrath, if Jeremy had found the perfect mental coach. He was emotionally defeated by Carmichael, not physically. Not enough time to unpack that here, but if he had someone who could have build up his confidence to an angry, fighting warrior (something McGrath had never had to become), Jeremy would have beaten him for at least another year. Just my feeling.
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bents wrote:
The best thing about RC was that he wasn't afraid to wick it up to beat some one, specifically James. He pushed James out of his...
The best thing about RC was that he wasn't afraid to wick it up to beat some one, specifically James. He pushed James out of his comfort zone and that appeared to be pretty fuckin hard to do. He was to me anyway, the most competitive, refuse to lose racer we have seen in our sport. And 150 total wins and 15 titles (I think), is an absolutely ridiculous number.
That can be argued, not in SX, and remember James had to race him on a 2 stroke before he got a 4 in which RC had plenty experience on by the time James got his...RC himself said anybody racing a 2 against a 4 was a fool...
gabrielmalinois 4/18/2014 8:54am
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Everts was every bit RC's equal. Had they raced the same series' both would have had half the success that they enjoyed not racing each other.
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keyboardjockey750 wrote:
RV would have showed him the fast way around.
DemoDick wrote:
I think that would be the most interesting "time machine" battle we could see. If somehow RC and Rv2 could go head to head in their...
I think that would be the most interesting "time machine" battle we could see. If somehow RC and Rv2 could go head to head in their primes.

While I think James had them both covered in absolute speed he lacked(at least up until this year) the state of mind to turn it down a notch to actually win the race rather than lawn dart. But an entire season of RC vs Rv2 would be an unreal chess match laced with unreal bursts of speed.
RV IMO would have gotten smoked by RC, RC was a hard nut to crack...
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over a season , if you had a few deep sand and a few mud races i think Everts could of , RC never had anyone that was as consistent as Everts would have been ,if RC won Everts would of have been second , if RC made a mistake Everts would have won , then, get to a deep sand race Everts would have won , mud race Everts would have won , over the yr it would have been very close at the end of every yr , and Everts deff would of won a few championships IMO , now i ll get killed with Everts could nt even get top 5 Blaa Blaa Blaa, remember Everts made Tortelli look silly in alot of race s,and when he was nt injured Tortelli was fast very fast , 1999 Glenn Helen, but the injurys really took its toll on him , plus i think Everts was alot better 4 stroke rider than two stroke , and was faster at the end of his career than the start ,
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BornA'Lil2Slow wrote:
When RC was on his game for several years on 125's and several years on 250/450, only inspired rides could beat him, one-off lightning strike rides...
When RC was on his game for several years on 125's and several years on 250/450, only inspired rides could beat him, one-off lightning strike rides. KW, Ferry in a moto, Reynard come to mind.

JS is the only guy to consistently be able to go "head to head" with RC. Reed could have a night here or there and do it. DV for one season had him covered until he got hurt.

MC to me, gets an asterick just because RC new on a 250 in SX and wasn't on his game yet and once he found his game, he basically retired MC... Jeremy's own words.
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I think it was 03 when Reed won the last 4 or 5 supercross races and Ricky got second.
to him that's a night here or thereBlink

anyway I wasn't there and I didn't do it so who caresLaughing
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IceMan446 4/18/2014 9:18am
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BornA'Lil2Slow wrote:
When RC was on his game for several years on 125's and several years on 250/450, only inspired rides could beat him, one-off lightning strike rides...
When RC was on his game for several years on 125's and several years on 250/450, only inspired rides could beat him, one-off lightning strike rides. KW, Ferry in a moto, Reynard come to mind.

JS is the only guy to consistently be able to go "head to head" with RC. Reed could have a night here or there and do it. DV for one season had him covered until he got hurt.

MC to me, gets an asterick just because RC new on a 250 in SX and wasn't on his game yet and once he found his game, he basically retired MC... Jeremy's own words.
I think after 7 championships, the motivation is pretty much gone at that point.

MC knew RC was fast and MC had nothing left to prove. If RC was racing 3-4 years prior to that, he would have gotten beat just like everyone else MC destroyed.
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IceMan446 4/18/2014 9:20am
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brimx153 wrote:
over a season , if you had a few deep sand and a few mud races i think Everts could of , RC never had anyone...
over a season , if you had a few deep sand and a few mud races i think Everts could of , RC never had anyone that was as consistent as Everts would have been ,if RC won Everts would of have been second , if RC made a mistake Everts would have won , then, get to a deep sand race Everts would have won , mud race Everts would have won , over the yr it would have been very close at the end of every yr , and Everts deff would of won a few championships IMO , now i ll get killed with Everts could nt even get top 5 Blaa Blaa Blaa, remember Everts made Tortelli look silly in alot of race s,and when he was nt injured Tortelli was fast very fast , 1999 Glenn Helen, but the injurys really took its toll on him , plus i think Everts was alot better 4 stroke rider than two stroke , and was faster at the end of his career than the start ,
Everts would NOT have been able to beat RC in a series. Everts might have done well but no one at that time could beat RC consistently. James was the only guy that had the ability to turn it up when RC did, everyone else just fell by the wayside.

Dreamland bro, dreamland.
gabrielmalinois 4/18/2014 9:23am
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Everts would NOT have been able to beat RC in a series. Everts might have done well but no one at that time could beat RC...
Everts would NOT have been able to beat RC in a series. Everts might have done well but no one at that time could beat RC consistently. James was the only guy that had the ability to turn it up when RC did, everyone else just fell by the wayside.

Dreamland bro, dreamland.
Ignorance is bliss.
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gabrielmalinois wrote:
Everts was every bit RC's equal. Had they raced the same series' both would have had half the success that they enjoyed not racing each other.
Not even close. Albee beat Everts for 3 titles in a row and then it took Seb only one year to beat Everts for the title. Also they only raced each other twice on the bib bikes and Ricky handled him easily. Hell in 03 he beat him on a two stroke vs a four with a blown out knee, he caught passed and pulled away in Everts home country. No one was RC's equal. SE72 also raced from 90 to 06 to get 10 titles and 101 wins. Were as RC won 10 straight. Not even close IMO.
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IceMan446 4/18/2014 9:33am
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IceMan446 wrote:
Everts would NOT have been able to beat RC in a series. Everts might have done well but no one at that time could beat RC...
Everts would NOT have been able to beat RC in a series. Everts might have done well but no one at that time could beat RC consistently. James was the only guy that had the ability to turn it up when RC did, everyone else just fell by the wayside.

Dreamland bro, dreamland.
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