2014 Dungey = 2007 Reed

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It looks to me that Dungey simply lacks the speed of Stewart and Villopoto, who are on another planet in that department, similar to how Reed when he faced Stewart back in 07.

I feel like Dungey is not comfortable on the bike at all, which is strange, because Roczen looks smooth as butter out there usually on it...

I don't recall reed having issues with the bike in 07? Hey, but if i'm wrong inform me.

Either way though they both ('14 Dungey & "07 Reed) speed wise were so far behind the leaders that it makes you wonder what's going on?

I think Dungey needs a change of scenery and I think ultimately will end up elsewhere after his contract expires. Hopefully he'll be at Suzuki, or possibly a Honda/Yamaha thing would be interesting. Couldn't see him on a Kawasaki. Him and Barcia at JGR would be interesting, or him and Seely at Factory Honda? That'd be cool too.
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Don't think Reed was a fan of the Yamaha four strokes till the 08 bike and the new frame. Langston as well.

He was much better that year, A1 was good and he passed Stewart a bunch of times at Phoenix.

I honestly can't believe Dungey hasn't gotten his bike sorted in the whoops there. Kenny looks great in them so it must be setup rather than bike. For that matter tho, RV hasn't looked great in them either.
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Don't think Reed was a fan of the Yamaha four strokes till the 08 bike and the new frame. Langston as well. He was much better...
Don't think Reed was a fan of the Yamaha four strokes till the 08 bike and the new frame. Langston as well.

He was much better that year, A1 was good and he passed Stewart a bunch of times at Phoenix.

I honestly can't believe Dungey hasn't gotten his bike sorted in the whoops there. Kenny looks great in them so it must be setup rather than bike. For that matter tho, RV hasn't looked great in them either.
Is 06-09 yz450f basically same model or did i miss something ?

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Crush wrote:
Don't think Reed was a fan of the Yamaha four strokes till the 08 bike and the new frame. Langston as well. He was much better...
Don't think Reed was a fan of the Yamaha four strokes till the 08 bike and the new frame. Langston as well.

He was much better that year, A1 was good and he passed Stewart a bunch of times at Phoenix.

I honestly can't believe Dungey hasn't gotten his bike sorted in the whoops there. Kenny looks great in them so it must be setup rather than bike. For that matter tho, RV hasn't looked great in them either.
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Is 06-09 yz450f basically same model or did i miss something ?
They changed the frame in 08'. It handled slightly better.
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nickm 4/2/2014 7:18am
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Last I looked he was 2nd in the points. I must have missed the memo that read 2nd in AMA SX=you suck and you ride a shitty bike.
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Last I looked he was 2nd in the points. I must have missed the memo that read 2nd in AMA SX=you suck and you ride a...
Last I looked he was 2nd in the points. I must have missed the memo that read 2nd in AMA SX=you suck and you ride a shitty bike.
He has won 1 race this season where a couple of the top guys were on the floor. He's struggled to actually catch and pass any of the top 5 guys. Second in points, yes. Looking as good as he did when he was on the Suzuki? Not even close. If you think he's happy with his season you don't know much.
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i personally think Reed's problem was not adapting to the 4-stroke like RC and Stewart did. he went from being a better SX rider than Ricky to being so far off the pace it wasn't even funny.

Dungey i think the only problem is that there are just faster guys out there. he is always there though (except in STL)
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Last I looked he was 2nd in the points. I must have missed the memo that read 2nd in AMA SX=you suck and you ride a...
Last I looked he was 2nd in the points. I must have missed the memo that read 2nd in AMA SX=you suck and you ride a shitty bike.
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He has won 1 race this season where a couple of the top guys were on the floor. He's struggled to actually catch and pass any...
He has won 1 race this season where a couple of the top guys were on the floor. He's struggled to actually catch and pass any of the top 5 guys. Second in points, yes. Looking as good as he did when he was on the Suzuki? Not even close. If you think he's happy with his season you don't know much.
I was under the impression that championship standings go by who has the most points, not who has the most wins. I must be wrong.

Dungey has never been faster than RV or Stewart on any bike. He is the most consistent rider out there though. See my first sentence to understand why this is important.

So you think that if he was on Yellow he'd be running the red plate?
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i personally think Reed's problem was not adapting to the 4-stroke like RC and Stewart did. he went from being a better SX rider than Ricky...
i personally think Reed's problem was not adapting to the 4-stroke like RC and Stewart did. he went from being a better SX rider than Ricky to being so far off the pace it wasn't even funny.

Dungey i think the only problem is that there are just faster guys out there. he is always there though (except in STL)
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I can't say what's right or wrong in either of their cases but this is the opinion I agree with. Seems to me like Dungey, while an amazing rider, is just a little slower than JS, and is slightly slower and less consistent than RV. Doesn't make him a bad rider, and he has yet to have RV covered since he's been on 450's. Some people act like he has been dominating against all these guys in the past and all of a sudden it's different this year? No chance. He's really only being beat by 2 riders on a regular basis (RV & JS), and Roczen (who does look better than him at times) is new to the class. What else is different?
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peelout wrote:
i personally think Reed's problem was not adapting to the 4-stroke like RC and Stewart did. he went from being a better SX rider than Ricky...
i personally think Reed's problem was not adapting to the 4-stroke like RC and Stewart did. he went from being a better SX rider than Ricky to being so far off the pace it wasn't even funny.

Dungey i think the only problem is that there are just faster guys out there. he is always there though (except in STL)
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X2 I can't say what's right or wrong in either of their cases but this is the opinion I agree with. Seems to me like Dungey...
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I can't say what's right or wrong in either of their cases but this is the opinion I agree with. Seems to me like Dungey, while an amazing rider, is just a little slower than JS, and is slightly slower and less consistent than RV. Doesn't make him a bad rider, and he has yet to have RV covered since he's been on 450's. Some people act like he has been dominating against all these guys in the past and all of a sudden it's different this year? No chance. He's really only being beat by 2 riders on a regular basis (RV & JS), and Roczen (who does look better than him at times) is new to the class. What else is different?
I'll admit that I catch myself being in a bit of denial about Dungey's speed. He just refuses to be content with anything other than first but he just can't get there. He just keeps searching and keeps searching but just hasn't found what he needs to beat RV so far.

This is why I am in favor of him changing brands. I am a fan of when guys have a sense of loyalty how he has been with Decoster but he's not getting it done on the KTM. I'd like to see how he does on Suzuki again. I'm not saying it IS the bike but I want to see what he does on another brand.
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nickm wrote:
Last I looked he was 2nd in the points. I must have missed the memo that read 2nd in AMA SX=you suck and you ride a...
Last I looked he was 2nd in the points. I must have missed the memo that read 2nd in AMA SX=you suck and you ride a shitty bike.
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He has won 1 race this season where a couple of the top guys were on the floor. He's struggled to actually catch and pass any...
He has won 1 race this season where a couple of the top guys were on the floor. He's struggled to actually catch and pass any of the top 5 guys. Second in points, yes. Looking as good as he did when he was on the Suzuki? Not even close. If you think he's happy with his season you don't know much.
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I was under the impression that championship standings go by who has the most points, not who has the most wins. I must be wrong. Dungey...
I was under the impression that championship standings go by who has the most points, not who has the most wins. I must be wrong.

Dungey has never been faster than RV or Stewart on any bike. He is the most consistent rider out there though. See my first sentence to understand why this is important.

So you think that if he was on Yellow he'd be running the red plate?
Attention nickm:

MEMO: 2nd in AMA SX=you suck and you ride a shitty bike.

lol

Anyway, you don't remember when Dungey (on the Suzuki) was much closer to RV in speed, even catching him and passing him at times?

Do you remember Dungey giving RV all he could handle for MX and SX championships, and might have even beat out RV in both championships if it wasn't for bike problems? I said bike problems, not crashing problems or health problems.



But yeah, Dungey is doing incredible this year on that KTM! 2nd place is what every 3 time champ should strive for in their prime!

And I'm sick of hearing how RV, Bubba, Reed, and Kenny, all figured out how to go faster while Dungey all of the sudden got slower and lazy.

What is the number 1 thing that has changed in the Dungey camp since he was pressuring RV? The bike? Maybe?
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Attention nickm: MEMO: 2nd in AMA SX=you suck and you ride a shitty bike. lol Anyway, you don't remember when Dungey (on the Suzuki) was much...
Attention nickm:

MEMO: 2nd in AMA SX=you suck and you ride a shitty bike.

lol

Anyway, you don't remember when Dungey (on the Suzuki) was much closer to RV in speed, even catching him and passing him at times?

Do you remember Dungey giving RV all he could handle for MX and SX championships, and might have even beat out RV in both championships if it wasn't for bike problems? I said bike problems, not crashing problems or health problems.



But yeah, Dungey is doing incredible this year on that KTM! 2nd place is what every 3 time champ should strive for in their prime!

And I'm sick of hearing how RV, Bubba, Reed, and Kenny, all figured out how to go faster while Dungey all of the sudden got slower and lazy.

What is the number 1 thing that has changed in the Dungey camp since he was pressuring RV? The bike? Maybe?
Last sentence says it all, RD's bike and RV's. Just look at the difference the '12 frame made for RV mid season then Dunge switching to orange made it even worse for him.
RD's season isn't great but the people who say he struggles to pass the top 5 are out of their mind stupid. I'm assuming they don't watch the races but I may be giving their intellect to much credit for their piss-poor assertions.
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i personally think Reed's problem was not adapting to the 4-stroke like RC and Stewart did. he went from being a better SX rider than Ricky...
i personally think Reed's problem was not adapting to the 4-stroke like RC and Stewart did. he went from being a better SX rider than Ricky to being so far off the pace it wasn't even funny.

Dungey i think the only problem is that there are just faster guys out there. he is always there though (except in STL)
only "your bro" could be unhappy with his bike, no way someone you don't like could be unhappy with his bike. Right?
If you consider RC and bubba not to be "faster guys" then Chad, surely you could say the same for RD compared to JS and RV couldn't you? I could almost make a fairer case for dungey compared to chad in that argument
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2nd in points, and you guys thing RD5 is having a bad year? I can't wait to see one of his good years!

Those guys in 3rd, 4th, 5th etc must REALLY suck...

Oh wait, no...RD5 is having a good CONSISTENT year, and riding his ass off.
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The 08 was enough of a change that Langston straight outrode everyone at the end of the 07 nationals when he got on the new bike, and Reed definitely jumped up a notch too.

I do also agree that he didn't adapt as well as RC/JS. I also think some of that would have been that pig of a bike. The CRF/RMZ/KXF were far better machines.

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With 4 races left, unless something out of the ordinary happens, the Championship is set. It's RV 1st, Bubba 2nd, RD 3rd.
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It looks to me that Dungey simply lacks the speed of Stewart and Villopoto, who are on another planet in that department, similar to how Reed...
It looks to me that Dungey simply lacks the speed of Stewart and Villopoto, who are on another planet in that department, similar to how Reed when he faced Stewart back in 07.

I feel like Dungey is not comfortable on the bike at all, which is strange, because Roczen looks smooth as butter out there usually on it...

I don't recall reed having issues with the bike in 07? Hey, but if i'm wrong inform me.

Either way though they both ('14 Dungey & "07 Reed) speed wise were so far behind the leaders that it makes you wonder what's going on?

I think Dungey needs a change of scenery and I think ultimately will end up elsewhere after his contract expires. Hopefully he'll be at Suzuki, or possibly a Honda/Yamaha thing would be interesting. Couldn't see him on a Kawasaki. Him and Barcia at JGR would be interesting, or him and Seely at Factory Honda? That'd be cool too.
Dungey is doing just fine has just had bad luck the last few years, 2nd in practice was winning his heat race till it was red flagged, then got a shitty start which resulted in a bad start in the main take away his mechanical he is only like 15 points behind maybe less who knows
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Dungey is Broc Glover
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Attention nickm: MEMO: 2nd in AMA SX=you suck and you ride a shitty bike. lol Anyway, you don't remember when Dungey (on the Suzuki) was much...
Attention nickm:

MEMO: 2nd in AMA SX=you suck and you ride a shitty bike.

lol

Anyway, you don't remember when Dungey (on the Suzuki) was much closer to RV in speed, even catching him and passing him at times?

Do you remember Dungey giving RV all he could handle for MX and SX championships, and might have even beat out RV in both championships if it wasn't for bike problems? I said bike problems, not crashing problems or health problems.



But yeah, Dungey is doing incredible this year on that KTM! 2nd place is what every 3 time champ should strive for in their prime!

And I'm sick of hearing how RV, Bubba, Reed, and Kenny, all figured out how to go faster while Dungey all of the sudden got slower and lazy.

What is the number 1 thing that has changed in the Dungey camp since he was pressuring RV? The bike? Maybe?
Appreciate finally getting the memo Smile

I think at one time RD and RV were close to equal. IMO that changed in the 2011 outdoors when all I can remember is RV out powering RD up the screw U at Unadilla. IMO that was the turning point.

RV just got waaay faster and I don't think RD could keep up. I can understand why he's frustrated..not sure a different bike or team would help that problem though.

I also don't know about you guys, but IMO JS is in the best shape of his career and is riding smarter than he ever has...I think just about everyone at one time was of the opinion that JS is the fastest guy out there as long as he didn't crash.

Long winded way of saying other guys are just faster than RD and I don't think the bike or team is a factor.
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^^

The number 1 thing that's changed since Dungey was pressuring RV is RV.

That said, since Ryan seems to have plateaued,* I wouldn't blame him if he wanted to look for answers on another team. But I wouldn't expect it to make much of a difference. (I know that's what Stewart's detractors were saying in 2012, and it turned out to make a pretty good difference...but there was a marked decline in Stewart's results that betrayed the Gibbs bike, while, yellow or orange, Dungey has pretty much always been Dungey.)

*RV has basically plateaued from 2012 on, but it doesn't matter 'cause he's winning.
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Dungey has never ever EVER been the fastest guy out there. His whole career (including championships) has been built on him riding super consistent at a speed that is better than 16-18 of the other riders out there. He simply rides around in a podium position week in and week out letting everyone else crash themselves out of contention. Much like RV is doing this year, in fact, RV is actually out Dungey-ing Dungey this year. Not always the fastest but is always there and takes a win if its given to him. I think RD is actually a victim of his own success. For the last 3 years everyone keeps saying the title is between "the Ryans" when looking back, Dungey has never really been in it. He is always banking on the RV crash that never happens. Dungey may actually benefit from Stewart winning races because it could force RV into some of these crashes that may shake things up, but in a head-to-head championship, you know RV goes into the year saying to himself "if I don't crash, I got this" where Dungey is saying "I hope he has a few bad races so my consistency pulls me thru".
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peelout wrote:
i personally think Reed's problem was not adapting to the 4-stroke like RC and Stewart did. he went from being a better SX rider than Ricky...
i personally think Reed's problem was not adapting to the 4-stroke like RC and Stewart did. he went from being a better SX rider than Ricky to being so far off the pace it wasn't even funny.

Dungey i think the only problem is that there are just faster guys out there. he is always there though (except in STL)
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X2 I can't say what's right or wrong in either of their cases but this is the opinion I agree with. Seems to me like Dungey...
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I can't say what's right or wrong in either of their cases but this is the opinion I agree with. Seems to me like Dungey, while an amazing rider, is just a little slower than JS, and is slightly slower and less consistent than RV. Doesn't make him a bad rider, and he has yet to have RV covered since he's been on 450's. Some people act like he has been dominating against all these guys in the past and all of a sudden it's different this year? No chance. He's really only being beat by 2 riders on a regular basis (RV & JS), and Roczen (who does look better than him at times) is new to the class. What else is different?
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I'll admit that I catch myself being in a bit of denial about Dungey's speed. He just refuses to be content with anything other than first...
I'll admit that I catch myself being in a bit of denial about Dungey's speed. He just refuses to be content with anything other than first but he just can't get there. He just keeps searching and keeps searching but just hasn't found what he needs to beat RV so far.

This is why I am in favor of him changing brands. I am a fan of when guys have a sense of loyalty how he has been with Decoster but he's not getting it done on the KTM. I'd like to see how he does on Suzuki again. I'm not saying it IS the bike but I want to see what he does on another brand.
I'd be real curious to see how Ryan would do on Weimers bike next year. RV & RD-How's THAT for a dynamic duo?! Woohoo
Saddened, but don't think Jake's gonna make the cut...
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peelout wrote:
i personally think Reed's problem was not adapting to the 4-stroke like RC and Stewart did. he went from being a better SX rider than Ricky...
i personally think Reed's problem was not adapting to the 4-stroke like RC and Stewart did. he went from being a better SX rider than Ricky to being so far off the pace it wasn't even funny.

Dungey i think the only problem is that there are just faster guys out there. he is always there though (except in STL)
And it continued when he adapted to the four stroke. Why not show some charity to Dungey and say that maybe he has not adapted to the KTM?
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rebus 4/2/2014 9:41pm
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jonesaustin wrote:
Dungey is Broc Glover
No he's not. He's Ryan Dungey believe it or not. Broc Glover is retired.
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i personally think Reed's problem was not adapting to the 4-stroke like RC and Stewart did. he went from being a better SX rider than Ricky...
i personally think Reed's problem was not adapting to the 4-stroke like RC and Stewart did. he went from being a better SX rider than Ricky to being so far off the pace it wasn't even funny.

Dungey i think the only problem is that there are just faster guys out there. he is always there though (except in STL)
To me Reed's struggles started with the introduction of the aluminium framed Yamaha's. He was still on a 250 in 05 but seemed to lose all his confidence in cornering, particularly on the harder packed tracks. I think he's said as much since. I agree with you on RD. He's an awesome rider but overall RV and at times JS (especially just lately), are just faster.

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