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hillbilly wrote:
I posted before,those guys cruz after the start,look at yesterday, One rider came thru,tooling along ,looked like a lapper,and the booth guys say "there is soandso...
I posted before,those guys cruz after the start,look at yesterday,

One rider came thru,tooling along ,looked like a lapper,and the booth guys say "there is soandso holding down 7th"

And the gaps were huge.No way 222 comes here and wins,he aint used to running wfo for 30min.
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You would have to be a pretty dim bulb to think that a guy who has won 7 World titles and 65 wins, both growing by...
You would have to be a pretty dim bulb to think that a guy who has won 7 World titles and 65 wins, both growing by the by could not win a race in the US.

Extra credit- Who was the last rider to win 4 straight motos over two years at the MXdN other than AC222 of course?
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If he thought he could win here he would be here,a racer is always wanting to race the best to prove to himself. Look how many...
If he thought he could win here he would be here,a racer is always wanting to race the best to prove to himself.

Look how many won titles,left ,and came here to start the climb .

He would get his ass handed to him,be lucky t o make top 5 his 1st yr,

But,we will never know,cuz he won't come here,ever wonder why? Don't say money,he has money
No rider left the GPs after winning the 450 title

What you got that went AMA were 250 title winners,and contenders and with due respect, CP377 and Ratray won their titles when AC had injuries etc,most will have the opinion that AC was more than a notch above them

AC would only seriously have RV to contend with in the Nationals,others here and there but 2nd overall would be his mark,same for RV came here,AC would have the measure of him

Not everyone wants to leave home,look at the US guys that are happy getting a ride,making money,with respect,never going to win anything,and doing it all at home ,never leaving the Country
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Woobia 22 wrote:
I wonder if RV is gunna race the GP's when he retires in 18 months time as I thought he has mentioned this a couple of...
I wonder if RV is gunna race the GP's when he retires in 18 months time as I thought he has mentioned this a couple of times.

He has plenty of money already so why doesn't he Challenge himself now and go race AC, oh thats right he has a contract to race ama.
AC probably has a contract as well so sounds similar. Bonuses for both would be nice as well.

So what is the exact score in MXON between these 2 champs, and shame Geoff is not here to give an update on Jeffrey.
RV will Never do the GPs
He's not going to go down as having an amazing career,owning everyone for so long in the US to end his career getting beaten by AC in Europe

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thrillbillie91 4/1/2014 5:52am
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The final point standing for the 2013 AMA Outdoor National Motocross series lists Clement Desalle in 20th position. He only raced two Nationals all season. If...
The final point standing for the 2013 AMA Outdoor National Motocross series lists Clement Desalle in 20th position. He only raced two Nationals all season. If the points he scored at Lakewood and Tennesse were indicative of how he would fair over the entire series he would have finished the season 4th overall.

But you say that Antonio Cairoli - who beats Desalle week in, week out - would be lucky to make top five in America?
they can't be taught dude, like they say you can't fix dumb
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Titan1 4/1/2014 10:58am
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Anyone that doesn't think AC would content for, and win, races and titles in the nationals is delusional. He is one of the greatest riders ever.

Having said that, RV wouldn't go to the GP's for the same reason he won't go race arenacross...and it has nothing to do with the caliber of riders in the Gps or arenacross.
St Ann More 4/1/2014 5:07pm
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Woobia 22 wrote:
I wonder if RV is gunna race the GP's when he retires in 18 months time as I thought he has mentioned this a couple of...
I wonder if RV is gunna race the GP's when he retires in 18 months time as I thought he has mentioned this a couple of times.

He has plenty of money already so why doesn't he Challenge himself now and go race AC, oh thats right he has a contract to race ama.
AC probably has a contract as well so sounds similar. Bonuses for both would be nice as well.

So what is the exact score in MXON between these 2 champs, and shame Geoff is not here to give an update on Jeffrey.
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RV will Never do the GPs He's not going to go down as having an amazing career,owning everyone for so long in the US to end...
RV will Never do the GPs
He's not going to go down as having an amazing career,owning everyone for so long in the US to end his career getting beaten by AC in Europe
Bingo!
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No rider left the GPs after winning the 450 title What you got that went AMA were 250 title winners,and contenders and with due respect, CP377...
No rider left the GPs after winning the 450 title

What you got that went AMA were 250 title winners,and contenders and with due respect, CP377 and Ratray won their titles when AC had injuries etc,most will have the opinion that AC was more than a notch above them

AC would only seriously have RV to contend with in the Nationals,others here and there but 2nd overall would be his mark,same for RV came here,AC would have the measure of him

Not everyone wants to leave home,look at the US guys that are happy getting a ride,making money,with respect,never going to win anything,and doing it all at home ,never leaving the Country
No rider left the GPs after winning the 450 title
Champs left the MXGP a bunch in the 90's JMB, Albertyn and Seb all jumped ship, but those were not 450's same class though.

Also I wouldn't say AC would only have RV to worry about, RD has beat him before and Bubba is back.
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Woobia 22 wrote:
I wonder if RV is gunna race the GP's when he retires in 18 months time as I thought he has mentioned this a couple of...
I wonder if RV is gunna race the GP's when he retires in 18 months time as I thought he has mentioned this a couple of times.

He has plenty of money already so why doesn't he Challenge himself now and go race AC, oh thats right he has a contract to race ama.
AC probably has a contract as well so sounds similar. Bonuses for both would be nice as well.

So what is the exact score in MXON between these 2 champs, and shame Geoff is not here to give an update on Jeffrey.
TripleDigit wrote:
RV will Never do the GPs He's not going to go down as having an amazing career,owning everyone for so long in the US to end...
RV will Never do the GPs
He's not going to go down as having an amazing career,owning everyone for so long in the US to end his career getting beaten by AC in Europe
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Bingo!
I wouldn't say RV would automatically get 2nd. AC would have to change how he races (pull the pin earlier) and probably bike to a 450 to beat him. AC would be the favorite in GP's but you cant fuck around racing him, there is no passing him put in one or two burners and maintain a solid pace. Its giving it 100% from the gate drop to the checkers to beat RV. AC is my favorite rider period say don't be thinking I am some Yankee bagging on the GP's.
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Woobia 22 wrote:
I wonder if RV is gunna race the GP's when he retires in 18 months time as I thought he has mentioned this a couple of...
I wonder if RV is gunna race the GP's when he retires in 18 months time as I thought he has mentioned this a couple of times.

He has plenty of money already so why doesn't he Challenge himself now and go race AC, oh thats right he has a contract to race ama.
AC probably has a contract as well so sounds similar. Bonuses for both would be nice as well.

So what is the exact score in MXON between these 2 champs, and shame Geoff is not here to give an update on Jeffrey.
TripleDigit wrote:
RV will Never do the GPs He's not going to go down as having an amazing career,owning everyone for so long in the US to end...
RV will Never do the GPs
He's not going to go down as having an amazing career,owning everyone for so long in the US to end his career getting beaten by AC in Europe
That's not the reason he wont come to race in Europe...its because the GP's are a less prestigious championship. He already won what is considered by the majority to be the best of the best. Yeah AC is fast, so is Herlings. But there cherry picking for wins over there while the guys who want to be challenged and race for the biggest championships are racing here in the USA.
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COAL-TRAIN wrote:
That's not the reason he wont come to race in Europe...its because the GP's are a less prestigious championship. He already won what is considered by...
That's not the reason he wont come to race in Europe...its because the GP's are a less prestigious championship. He already won what is considered by the majority to be the best of the best. Yeah AC is fast, so is Herlings. But there cherry picking for wins over there while the guys who want to be challenged and race for the biggest championships are racing here in the USA.
I'm really getting tired of all your BS truth Mr. TrainTongue no disrespect to the gp guys 222 and 84 are among my favorite riders 84 mostly! I wish he'd come here and race, I think he'd fair a lot better then most here give him credit for thats for sure!
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Phil#26 4/2/2014 6:17am
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The only person IMO to challenge and beat AC222 will be JH84 in 2015 mark my words
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COAL-TRAIN wrote:
That's not the reason he wont come to race in Europe...its because the GP's are a less prestigious championship. He already won what is considered by...
That's not the reason he wont come to race in Europe...its because the GP's are a less prestigious championship. He already won what is considered by the majority to be the best of the best. Yeah AC is fast, so is Herlings. But there cherry picking for wins over there while the guys who want to be challenged and race for the biggest championships are racing here in the USA.
Your opinion has been duly noted but the fact is a World Championship is still a World Championship.

The beauty of it is people can pursue their own preferred paths so more power to those GP racers who come to race in the US and more power to people like Herlings and AC who elect to stay in Europe.
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motokawi818 4/2/2014 2:50pm
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Has any one racing AC won any major championships? I know the US 450 class is full of past champions 250 and 450. I'd say that's more depth.
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motokawi818 4/2/2014 2:53pm
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Nothing against AC and the rest of the gp riders are bad dudes, but none of those guys are really championship contenders.
geordieshaft 4/2/2014 3:02pm
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motokawi818 wrote:
Has any one racing AC won any major championships? I know the US 450 class is full of past champions 250 and 450. I'd say that's...
Has any one racing AC won any major championships? I know the US 450 class is full of past champions 250 and 450. I'd say that's more depth.
Really ? What past 450 world champion rides the 450 AMA nationals ?
geordieshaft 4/2/2014 3:04pm
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Nothing against AC and the rest of the gp riders are bad dudes, but none of those guys are really championship contenders.
You reckon ? Didnt Desalle come over there on vacation to Unadilla and ride a borrowed RM450 to a podium finish !
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motokawi818 wrote:
Nothing against AC and the rest of the gp riders are bad dudes, but none of those guys are really championship contenders.
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You reckon ? Didnt Desalle come over there on vacation to Unadilla and ride a borrowed RM450 to a podium finish !
Against who?

The only top contender in that race was Dungey (who beat him, easily, both motos)...nobody else in that race was on Dungey's pace at all....The top 10 were, Dungey, Desalle, Metcalf, Short, Regal, Townley, Chisholm, Brayton, Grant....not exactly a great representation of the top riders in America (as evidenced by the fact that 10 rounds in Dungey had like a 110 point lead in the championship points)...no Reed, no RV, no Tomac, no Roczen, no Barcia, No Canard...all guys that are expected to battle for the title this year.

Put those guys on the line, and Desalle doesn't make the top 5-on vacation, on a borrowed bike (if he came over full time, he'd definitely be in the top five).

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Titan1 wrote:
Against who? The only top contender in that race was Dungey (who beat him, easily, both motos)...nobody else in that race was on Dungey's pace at...
Against who?

The only top contender in that race was Dungey (who beat him, easily, both motos)...nobody else in that race was on Dungey's pace at all....The top 10 were, Dungey, Desalle, Metcalf, Short, Regal, Townley, Chisholm, Brayton, Grant....not exactly a great representation of the top riders in America (as evidenced by the fact that 10 rounds in Dungey had like a 110 point lead in the championship points)...no Reed, no RV, no Tomac, no Roczen, no Barcia, No Canard...all guys that are expected to battle for the title this year.

Put those guys on the line, and Desalle doesn't make the top 5-on vacation, on a borrowed bike (if he came over full time, he'd definitely be in the top five).
no James Stewart..... oh wait....
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Desalle , paulin might win a few once they go to europe with uphill tracks,longer straights where the 450 has a advantage. But as many stated here AC has them mostly beat , maybe Herlings next year can bring it to tony. One guy i cant understand is nagl when dude is on he can win anywhere and then theres time you dont even notice hes racing. Very inconsistant.
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Titan1 4/2/2014 4:12pm
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Against who? The only top contender in that race was Dungey (who beat him, easily, both motos)...nobody else in that race was on Dungey's pace at...
Against who?

The only top contender in that race was Dungey (who beat him, easily, both motos)...nobody else in that race was on Dungey's pace at all....The top 10 were, Dungey, Desalle, Metcalf, Short, Regal, Townley, Chisholm, Brayton, Grant....not exactly a great representation of the top riders in America (as evidenced by the fact that 10 rounds in Dungey had like a 110 point lead in the championship points)...no Reed, no RV, no Tomac, no Roczen, no Barcia, No Canard...all guys that are expected to battle for the title this year.

Put those guys on the line, and Desalle doesn't make the top 5-on vacation, on a borrowed bike (if he came over full time, he'd definitely be in the top five).
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no James Stewart..... oh wait....
Stewart was there...on "vacation" from his supercross only contract...he caught and passed Desalle the first moto (before give the spot back late in the moto because he was out of shape) and then he pulled off a few laps into the 2nd moto after a bad start. (and you'll notice that I didn't mention him in that post, right?)

That wasn't a knock on Desalle...the guy flies!...I was just pointing out that his podium was against a weak field...and that if he came back and did that again-with our tip riders on the line-he wouldn't make the top five. Now, if he committed to the entire series, and tested and trained...he's be battling for top fives and podiums every weekend.
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motokawi818 wrote:
Nothing against AC and the rest of the gp riders are bad dudes, but none of those guys are really championship contenders.
geordieshaft wrote:
You reckon ? Didnt Desalle come over there on vacation to Unadilla and ride a borrowed RM450 to a podium finish !
Titan1 wrote:
Against who? The only top contender in that race was Dungey (who beat him, easily, both motos)...nobody else in that race was on Dungey's pace at...
Against who?

The only top contender in that race was Dungey (who beat him, easily, both motos)...nobody else in that race was on Dungey's pace at all....The top 10 were, Dungey, Desalle, Metcalf, Short, Regal, Townley, Chisholm, Brayton, Grant....not exactly a great representation of the top riders in America (as evidenced by the fact that 10 rounds in Dungey had like a 110 point lead in the championship points)...no Reed, no RV, no Tomac, no Roczen, no Barcia, No Canard...all guys that are expected to battle for the title this year.

Put those guys on the line, and Desalle doesn't make the top 5-on vacation, on a borrowed bike (if he came over full time, he'd definitely be in the top five).
Desalle came over on a borrowed mostly stock 450 in 09 and finished 3-DNF I think and in 2010 he was out of the Suzuki semi but he wasn't running his normal set up and went 2-2 and lead quite a bit of the second moto.
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motokawi818 wrote:
Nothing against AC and the rest of the gp riders are bad dudes, but none of those guys are really championship contenders.
He is racing the 08 MXGP champ and how can you race other MXGP champs when you have won 5 in a row? Also he handled CP377 on the 450 pretty good. If it wasnt for a couple mis cues in 06 or an injury in 08 he would have 9 straight titles going on 10.
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Stewart was there...on "vacation" from his supercross only contract...he caught and passed Desalle the first moto (before give the spot back late in the moto because...
Stewart was there...on "vacation" from his supercross only contract...he caught and passed Desalle the first moto (before give the spot back late in the moto because he was out of shape) and then he pulled off a few laps into the 2nd moto after a bad start. (and you'll notice that I didn't mention him in that post, right?)

That wasn't a knock on Desalle...the guy flies!...I was just pointing out that his podium was against a weak field...and that if he came back and did that again-with our tip riders on the line-he wouldn't make the top five. Now, if he committed to the entire series, and tested and trained...he's be battling for top fives and podiums every weekend.
Bubba crashed out of second, the dude was not out of shape he had been training for that race for weeks.
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Titan1 4/2/2014 4:22pm
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Stewart was there...on "vacation" from his supercross only contract...he caught and passed Desalle the first moto (before give the spot back late in the moto because...
Stewart was there...on "vacation" from his supercross only contract...he caught and passed Desalle the first moto (before give the spot back late in the moto because he was out of shape) and then he pulled off a few laps into the 2nd moto after a bad start. (and you'll notice that I didn't mention him in that post, right?)

That wasn't a knock on Desalle...the guy flies!...I was just pointing out that his podium was against a weak field...and that if he came back and did that again-with our tip riders on the line-he wouldn't make the top five. Now, if he committed to the entire series, and tested and trained...he's be battling for top fives and podiums every weekend.
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Bubba crashed out of second, the dude was not out of shape he had been training for that race for weeks.
"the dude was not out of shape he had been training for that race for weeks."

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I've said this before, I'll say it again. I really really wish there was a way to dual-sanction a USGP/AMA National and see these guys go at it in a normal race format instead of the MXoN team competition. Of course, then everyone would complain that the Americans have an advantage because it's in 'Murica.

Here's another question, what would you rather watch: Arenacross or MXGP?
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Call me a shitty Euro but I stopped watching GPs two years or so ago in Searle's last 250 season. Between SX and the Nationals thats enough to get my moto fix. Just lost interest.
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What would it take to get Cairoli here for one or two nationals while the GP's are off? DeSalle has done it for a few years now...
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motokawi818 wrote:
Nothing against AC and the rest of the gp riders are bad dudes, but none of those guys are really championship contenders.
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He is racing the 08 MXGP champ and how can you race other MXGP champs when you have won 5 in a row? Also he handled...
He is racing the 08 MXGP champ and how can you race other MXGP champs when you have won 5 in a row? Also he handled CP377 on the 450 pretty good. If it wasnt for a couple mis cues in 06 or an injury in 08 he would have 9 straight titles going on 10.
This was mostly about the fastest 250 riders who have shown the consistency to win championships moving to the us and not contesting AC. AC hasn't had the threat of these up and comers. Only the guys aged out of mx2 without winning a championship.
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Has any one racing AC won any major championships? I know the US 450 class is full of past champions 250 and 450. I'd say that's...
Has any one racing AC won any major championships? I know the US 450 class is full of past champions 250 and 450. I'd say that's more depth.
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Really ? What past 450 world champion rides the 450 AMA nationals ?
None, it's only all the past 250 world champions. Leaving AC as the only champion overseas.

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